Yeah, looking forward to it.

bump

I'm glad you bumped, I was losing sleep over why you hadnt posted yet.

http://xkcd.com/386/

Yes, I hate myself got getting into forum debates, ha ha.

Sometimes I manage to come back. Other times I don't.

What is time?

Spite

JECE, those aren't the replies you promised us. MAN UP.

Hey, JECE

Hey.

I hereby declare this thread, a bump-free zone. May it wither into nothingness where it deserved to be from about halfway through the discussion. Dust to dust, pixels to pixels.

Jamiet99uk: Oh, I will. In fact, I'm going to write a research paper on both the Falklands and Gibraltar for a course on International Law.

hey jece hows the paper coming

VERY low on my priority list right now, ha ha

Then you lose. Your unwillingness to refute my points demonstrates that you are, in fact, incapable of doing so.

Jamiet99uk: Maybe I lose if I never reply, but I am certainly capable of responding, ha ha. There is little incentive to carry out conversations on forums. It takes too much time.

I'm actually for giving the US back to the native americans

The lower lying parts of Holland should be given back to the sea. They're unnatural.

In this regard JECE is quite correct. Further conversation is pointless. What JECE has achieved in this (and previous) conversations is to demonstrate that the Argentine belief that the Falklands should be theirs is not held merely by the masses who have been duped into believing that the Faulklands are an oppressed outpost of Empire (which I used to imagine was the case), but instead by educated and informed people who simply see the islanders as an irrelevance.

This is painfully depressing, and has somewhat lowered my opinion of Argentina, but it is important to know.

Aren't the "native islanders" essentially Brits who moved/were implanted there? I can't imagine such a barren place having any native residents.

It's not barren. It's a quite beautiful place with a wealth of wildlife (an extremely important penguin habit etc etc) that reminds me quite a lot of the part of Britain where I grew up. It was uninhabited until the Europeans came, after which various nations attempted to set up colonies, as was the tradition of the time. Most failed within a decade because of the climate, isolation and other Europeans. The last attempt was by the British which has lasted for over 9 generations thus far and is currently thriving.

Octavious, I didn't mean aesthetically but it's practically inhospitable (to what we would consider classical native peoples).

Not really. It's certainly far most hospitable than the parts of northern Canada inhabited by Inuits, for example. The primary reason for it's lack of native population is that it's in the middle of nowhere. The relatively wild weather of the South Atlantic and the huge distances involved made the sort of island hopping by primitive people elsewhere virtually impossible.

I accept that JECE "doesn't have the time" to produce evidence that the Spanish visited the Falklands prior to 1690. You could look for such evidence FOR EVER and not find it, because there is no such evidence, because they DIDN'T.

It would however take mere seconds for JECE to admit he was wrong, in point of fact, on this one.

Jamiet99uk: See, this is exactly why it's pointless to argue on forums. People just don't listen to you. I made it clear that the moment of discovery is irrelevant to the sovereignty claims over the Falklands based on several points which you have wholly ignored.

Nevertheless, the issue of discovery is not at all as clear as you may think. The Falklands were definitely visited long before your 1690 expedition. Take a look at the following pages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_history_of_the_Falkland_Islands#16th_Century
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descubrimiento_de_las_islas_Malvinas

Octavious:
* I wouldn't have stuck my head in this thread if I thought the case was irrelevant.
* I'm only half-Argentine and have only visited the country a handful of times.
* No Argentinian believes those they like to call 'kelpers' are oppressed by an imperialist power. If anything, they believe the islanders are tools of an imperialist power – or the imperialists themselves. The only 'oppressed' were the Argentines expelled from the island in the 19th Century.

@ JECE

The majority Argentine belief is that in the grand scheme of things the rights and desires of the Islanders are irrelevant. The majority view of the British is that the rights and desires of the Islanders are the only relevant factor. That is why there is an impasse and that is why discussion is pointless.

I don't see what how Argentine you do or don't see view yourself as being has to do with anything.

"What JECE has achieved in this (and previous) conversations is to demonstrate that the Argentine belief that the Falklands should be theirs is not held merely by the masses who have been duped into believing that the Faulklands [sic] are an oppressed outpost of Empire (which I used to imagine was the case), but instead by educated and informed people who simply see the islanders as an irrelevance."

Now do you see what the hell I might have been referring to?

Methinks there has been a breakdown in communications here somewhere. I have really no idea what point you're trying to make.