I **DARE*** any of you smug assholes to come to Detroit, go downtown Detroit, and find the nearest Black man and tell him, "There is NO SUCH THING as race....racism is fake..." and live to walk away.

Fucking morons.

No one is claiming that people don't believe in race. There's just no supporting evidence genetically, making race a purely phenotypical analysis, which is a very poor indicator itself of heritage. One of my dearest friends in high school was from Dominican Republic. She spoke with the dialect (speech patterns, word choice, intonation, pronunciation) of "white" people, but to look at her, she appears mixed. She is not mixed at all (by the usual race-driven definition of mixed), that's just the expression of her genes. Unfortunately, by the white-black divide so prevalent in American racism, she would be labeled black, and no further consideration given. She not her ancestors (by any reasonable measure of generations) are from Africa. Yet, she's "black."

And for the record, "black" is not a race.

But since you trust common folk to understand something so innate to this world and so simple that it confounds science, ask them what race someone is. "White," "black" (African American if they're PC), "Mexican," and "Asian" are your likely answers. You may get "brown" for Mexican if they're particularly fond of color designations for these mythical races. But, krellin,

Colors are not races, and

People are not colors.

Krellin, are you afraid of black people or something?

People I've met in the "ghetto" are often a lot friendlier than people elsewhere, if you'll just approach them with confidence and respect. It's one thing to be aware that you are statistically more likely to get into some kind of trouble in a low-income neighborhood.

But those statistical differences are exaggerated in the public imagination. They exist but are not huge in the big scheme.

I actually have some data about the statistical geographical distribution of people based on whether they exhibit negative, or belligerent behavior as opposed to friendly and support behavior, check it out:

http://i.imgur.com/xcLpX.jpg

Arguing that race is socially constructed, by the way krellin, is completely dissimilar to arguing that there is no such thing as racism.

In fact it key to the elimination of racism, because once you understand that race is socially constructed, the destruction of racism then hinges on the revision of those social constructions.

"I actually have some data about the statistical geographical distribution of people based on whether they exhibit negative, or belligerent behavior as opposed to friendly and support behavior, check it out:

http://i.imgur.com/xcLpX.jpg"

lmao +1

krellin, do you literally not understand the difference between race as a social concept and race as a scientific one? I cannot believe that anyone is as difficult as you are pretending to be.

#KrellinIsNotReal

scientifically speaking, of course. in fact he is a social construction

krellin is actually as fake as Putin33 (a semi-Stalinist who is a big supporter of squishy neo-liberal Barack Obama? come on). He's just fake in a different way. I suspect that some regular (PE?) is all the trolly-ish political types, playing a long con. Whoever that mastermind is, he's operating at a level I simply cannot comprehend.

What's his game? What's the purpose? What role does kestas play in all of this? We probably won't know until it's too late.

Realism and strategic voting is evidently lost on people like ckroberts. Evidently hes of the all or nothing, self defeating purity mentality.

Marx supported the Chartists, and the Prussians in 1871. Any guesses as to whether he and Bismarck were politically close?

@Thucy -- No....YOU are afrid of black people. YOU don't want to admit they EXIST, asshole! lol Good god....how fucking stupid are you?

You assholes that want to deny race exists....and are so fucking blinded by liberal bullshti you will deny that RACE CAN BE IDENTIFIED IN GENETICS....are the one's living in fantasy land.

It's pathetic liberal bullshit. I pity you fools.

This does NOT mean that I think race should be taken in to account for ANYTHING....people should fight for jobs, postions, etc baseed upon skill or merit. Andthe irony? YOU idiot, who deny race exists, think it is a valid tool to used for choice.

Illogical morons.

race can be identified in genetics. Right.

Yeah...Why don't you morons check with The Innocence Project....

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Race_and_Misidentification.php

Funny...Innocent people are freed when DNA exonerates them based upon race....

Idiots.

HARDLY a conservative organaization, either.

You fucking libs are pathetic. Grow a pair, stop listening to your idiot professors and denying *reality*.

And of course....it doesn't matter how much evidence is put before you....because this is not my first link on the matter. as all good liberals do, you DENY fact in favor of FEELINGs.

What a demented world view you morons live with.

Putin, will you respond to anything? Gracious sakes. Hey here look at this.

Putin33 was Barry Goldwater's number one speech writer, and Putin33's last federal vote was for Pat Robertson for president in the 1988 Iowa Republican primary, before being disenfranchised after a federal racketeering conviction.

DNA exonerates them. Are you suggesting the DNA proves they are one race or that people have a, "they all look alike" schema that causes them to mis identify people of other races?

Because the link you posted only states that DNA has been used to overrule eyewitness testimony.

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/10/dnaprint?currentPage=all this supports your point much better

From the wired article:


"Your guy has substantial African ancestry," said Frudakis. "He could be Afro-Caribbean or African American but there is no chance that this is a Caucasian. No chance at all."

Ancestry and race are not the same thing.

Krellin, your link is obtuse. Smcbride already stated the primary issue.

But really, with comments like "YOU are afrid of black people. YOU don't want to admit they EXIST," how do you expect us to take you seriously?

Yes and bodies have physical markings of race, anthropologists can tell if someone is causasian, asian/native American or African by markings. This,still, however does not mean there is a biological reality to "race" race is constructed by human beings, we charectorize some black people into a race known as "African" while we charectorize other black people into the a race known as "Australian Aborigine" Race is a human construction, we define it, we use it to characterize people

there are genetic markers that result in certain phenotypes that correlate with social constructs of race.

Krellin is not real. He is a social construction.

He exists only in our minds. He is a manifestation of our inner moron. You must purge him from your mind. Take a deep breath an tweet after me:

#KrellinIsNotReal

My objective is to turn this thread from an incomprehensible debate related to race to a discussion on whether krellin is real.

Is krellin real? How can we be sure he exists? What if he is an AI programmed by kestas?

The Great Debate II:

Is krellinism (the belief that krellin is real) a overall good or ill for society?

I personally think it would be better if we could agree he doesn't exist. After all, there's no evidence for him. In fact, the whole concept of krellin is so ridiculous, I'm inclined to believe that it's more likely than not that he's not real! Occam's Razor and all that.

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