I bet 1 billion dollars ND is a white male. Any takers?

what does skin color have to do with anything? Is that how you see the world? Through a racial lens? That in itself, makes you a racist. Think about that.

Race has a lot to do with it. As a white male you have entitlements that women do not, and this changes the lens in which you view things - which is clear based on your victim blaming with regards to women making less money than men.

Looking at the world through a racial lens is not racist. It is acknowledging that groups of people are treated differently based on their race. You saying "men and women are equal" does not make it so. It just allows you to sweep the thought from you mind so that you can continue enjoying the perks at the expense of others.

1) You don't know anything about my ethnicity. 2) assuming as much based on a conversation inherently means you are a racist individual. 3) You know nothing about adversity that I have faced and again are assuming as much based on a racial argument.

4) Men and women, at least in the United States, are 100% equal. 5) Looking at the world through a racial lens is racist. It's 100% racist. It's how the Nazi's viewed the world. It's how white supremacist groups view the world. It's sick and deplorable. It should be condemned.

6) Men and women are 100% equal, at least in the United States. 7) Entitlements/White Privilege/etc are all made up terms by truly racist and sick individuals who call themselves social justice warriors. They are the scourge of the earth.

You really need help. I feel sorry for you. I hope you find help soon.

1) I do know a lot about your ethnicity - hence the 1 billion dollar bet. I'm a regular Sherlock holmes.

2) True. I'm making assumptions about race based on stereotypes.

3) I don't know anything about the adversity you've faced, true. And you may have faced a lot, I have no idea - I never have implied that you haven't. I said that you have entitlements as a white male, and are blaming those that white males oppress for their disadvantages.

4) I don't understand why you say this? Like saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. Can you expand so I can better understand. Women get paid less. They hold a vast minority of executive positions in business. They hold a vast minority of positions in all levels of politics and power.

7) Do you truly believe that life would be just as easy for you if you were an African American female?

I never thought someone could be this stupid, webdip teaches me so much everyday.

4% of CEOS in the S&P 500 are women.

19% of Congress is female.

90% of rape victims are women.

Seems equal. But hey, women get into clubs free on ladies night, so it all evens out right?

@ND:

This is why I dropped feminism. Every point I believed had been soundly refuted leaving only the differences between population groups based on either personal choice and/or proclivities.

But... those believes necessitated categorising people that disagrees as racists and sexists and homophobes. It’s not quite like that here in japan.

People that don’t believe in feminism aren’t automatically berated as white males. Which is stupid for anyone to do; and as you pointed out racist, if not sexist. But the point really is that the side pretending to equality activism has no point in berating people based on race or sex or gender or sexual preferences. It does, though, which is mad.

@Tom

You must be trolling. You are making assumptions based on stereotypes? You are saying that looking at the world through a racial lens isn't racist. I mean, do you hear yourself? Are you a freaking Nazi?

3) blah, blah, blah more B.S. about entitlements/white male/etc it's all bull made up by cultural marxists. I automatically tune this out because I recognize the buzzwords and I know exactly, precisely, where this started historically (and why it started).

4) It's true. In the United States all men and women are created equal. Everyone has an equal opportunity under the Constitution to pursue happiness, to liberty, to life. Everyone. Period. End of story. End of argument.

5) Absolutely (which for all you know I could be). I'm not though.

Now, the more disturbing thing about this whole argument is your seemingly ignorant or oblivious mindset in regards to your argument. You are making a racial argument. I've studied the horrors of the 20th Century at the graduate level. I've studied the evils of fascism and communism first hand. I've seen primary sources from the Third Reich and the Soviet Union.

I've studied the Holocaust and done work for a Holocaust Museum. I've seen Nazi racial "science" medical textbooks. It's gross and disgusting. Their thought, their arguments were all racial. You are doing the same thing. I condemn your mindset, your argument, and everything you are talking about. It's sick stuff, truly sick. It gives me chills just thinking that I am arguing with someone on the internet doing the same things a freaking Nazi did 80 years ago. Jesus, what's going on in this world?

I get the personal choice argument, truly.

Women often go into fields that pay less than men - like teaching for example.

Sure doesn't explain why male teachers make more than female teachers though.

Damn this is just down right sick stuff. How can anyone think like this and be socially accepted. What does that tell us about our world? Damn.

ND:

Why are only 4% of S&P 500 CEOS female?

Why is only 19% of Congress female?

Keep calling me a Nazi. Its not going to end the discussion.

Just because the Constitution says that all men and women are created equal does not mean we are upholding the Constitution well. Its our job to make sure the words in the Constitution are upheld, and we are failing at that in many ways.

I have no clue. That doesn't limit the equal opportunity all Americans have to pursue those positions and hold those positions in society. The Constitution provides equal protection and due process to all citizens. Unlike you, it does not have a racial science or lens to it.

The Constitution is a piece of paper. I'm not arguing the merits of the Constituion. I'm questioning our ability to uphold it. The Constitution is how things should be - not how they actually are.

"I have no clue."

Don't you.. Want to figure out why? Do those numbers look like equality to you?

"That doesn't limit the equal opportunity all Americans have to pursue those positions and hold those positions in society."

No, but it is evidence that some limitations are going on.

"When it comes to women's bodies, only one person can morally decide what happens to a woman's body: that woman. It is her body. You can't fucking control her, for fuck's sake.

Any other stance is shit, and I don't care to debate anyone who holds such a stance. Indeed (and not to sanction any violence) if anyone here was willing to use physical force to prevent that woman controlling what is done to her body, I would be willing to use physical force to protect her, and to prevent you."

Does this logic extend to all actions a woman wants to take, or only the ones you want to let her take freely?

If a woman decides she wants to rob a bank, well, her body her choice right?

You can call it a straw man or slippery slope argument, but it is the exact direct consequence of your "only women have the right to decide what happens to their bodies" logic.
Pro-lifers aren't arbitrarily choosing abortion specifically as some axis to restrict women's rights. They support women being allowed to drive, to have a career, to have the right to own property and participate in politics and every other right bestowed upon a man.
But they consider abortion to be the deliberate taking of an innocent human life, and **just as they don't let men take innocent life**, they want to prevent women from doing it via abortion.

If you can't engage reasonably on that axis, you have no business being in the conversation, period. You can argue that abortion isn't the taking of innocent human life, or you can accept the pro-life argument that it is the taking of innocent human life and try to justify that taking. But you can't fabricate some nonsense about how pro-lifers want to control women and that's wrong, because they DON'T want to "control women" anymore than they want to "control men."

Where in the Constitution or Declaration or any other founding document does it state that all of society has to be equally split along gender lines? Last time I checked, the founding documents specify that everyone has a right to pursue happiness, life, liberty, etc. It doesn't specify that Congress has to be 50% female and 50% male or private company's have to have 50% female CEO's and 50% male CEO's, etc.

See the founding documents are not based on gender studies, socialism, or "racial science"

I guess that's why they are effective and so great. Because bizarre, weirdo, fringe people didn't write them :D

I feel like your argument boils down to the Constituion says men and women are equal so they are.

That is nonsense.

I wrote my New Years resolution down at the beginning of the year - lose 20 pounds. Its November and I'm still fat. The piece of paper didn't make it true because I didn't uphold it.

So what is your explanation on why only 4% are CEOS. You've stated multiple times that women have no more restrictions than men - so you must think that they simply don't want to be?

There is a lot to unpack there.

1) Okay, you wrote a New Year's resolution. That's great! A New Year's resolution isn't a founding government document for a country. The document specifically has been amended and worked out so that all mean and women are equal in society and have the same protections, rights, and due process. Totally different from a New Year's Resolution and you know it.

2) About the CEO's, I mean, I don't know. Unlike you, I am not going to make assumptions. I don't know why there is only 4%, but it is what it is I guess.

all men*

"my challenge to every man who cares about this is to every day find ways to give up your power. give it up. give your power to a woman, give your voice to a woman. it's the only way to correct our mistakes. It is so easy for men to coast along in life compared to women. Give it up."

This is utter nonsense. I haven't made any "mistakes" toward womankind.
I am going to continue treating women with respect and kindness, as I do men. I am going to live the best life that I can according to my moral compass.
I am not going to arbitrarily yield whatever "power" I have to a demographic (feminists) that has routinely been abusive toward me personally, and to my people broadly, that has demonstrated zero goodwill or sincere desire to work together to build a better future for ourselves and the generations that will come after us, just because they say I should.
I already walked down that road, in undergrad. I was a good little social justice boy, learning about privilege and working really hard to say the right things as not to offend anybody. And all I got was abuse, vitriol, and not a shred of goodwill. These people don't care about me. Why the fuck would I care about them? It's not my job to ingratiate myself to bitter, angry people who would gladly ruin me if they could find a way to do it.

This mentality is so infuriating. Why do you people act like we haven't ever tried what you want before?? Why are y'all incapable of processing the idea that some people have tried following your worldview and ideals and come away unconvinced that they're right? Y'all love to speak of nuance, but where is your capacity to see the shades of grey? Why do you see nothing but "people who agree with me" and "people who are ignorant and/or prejudiced scum"?

The Constituion has been amended to create laws etc, yes - and it certainly has been improved, but that doesn't mean it is perfect.

So you just stick your head in the sand, eh? Not my problem because I'm in the 96%.

Hey ND, do you think the number is so low because women are just less capable then men are? If they're awarded equal opportunity then it must be that women just suck at things right?

More assumptions I see Tom. Like, if you have a problem with the company's that have a male CEO then boycott it. That's your right as a citizen. It's my right as a citizen to say that is silly, bizarre, and a little bit ridiculous.

What assumptions?

Wow Demon, I am really upset. That is a very loaded question. Like I told Tom, I don't make assumptions. I know nothing about these company's or their hiring practices or their criteria or anything. I have no clue why the numbers are like that. But, under the law everyone is equal and has an equal right to advance. I have no clue for why more men are CEO's then women, but I know that women and men can both do the job. I would never say anything like what you just did and I am a little upset that you would think so low of me.

So if they're both able to do the job... Do you think maybe the hiring practices are sexist?