There was no ill will intended Councilor Bo, my proposals take up all 3 advisor roles, and leave all advisors who Prop 1.5 would affect here at home, making it in my mind for the time being a null proposal anyways.

I appreciate that. Do those of you that support Prop 1.5 actually believe that inviting a priest to join us while simultaneously reacting to actions he hasn't yet taken is a good idea, or did you simply not think of it that way?

##Vote nay on 1.5

Id-rather add the Doctor than him anyway. Especially since we just lost our medic.
##Withdraw 1.5

##Proposal 1.10
##Hire Doctor

Hire doctor is already proposed, Prop1.11 on page 4

Then I guess he is hired then isnt he Colonel

He's well on his way if you and I both want him Mr. Botanist

Also, vote 1.0: would we like me to train an officer or 50 soldiers?

I will answer RagingIke's PM question here:
-100 soldiers = +0.5 ATK +0.5DEF (Only calculated at the 100's)
-Officers are needed to expand your military. 1 officer is needed for every 100 soldiers. Any military ranked specialist or councilor counts as an officer (except Captain Rick). So Colonel RagingIke can train up to 100 soldiers before needing an officer.

Example: You have 250 Soldiers (excluding any other factors)
ATK = 1
DEF = 1
You also must have atleast 3 capable officers. (assuming you choose no military specialists)
-Councilor RagingIke
-Trained Officer
-Trained Officer

You do what you feel is necessary.

I will submit our charter and its votes.

As it stands we havent seconded 1.8 , 1.10, or 1.11 because theyre all different.

1.8 adds doc but changes tech queue and doesnt even regard 1.3.1 whatsoever.
1.11 I cant find anywhere. As far as I can tell
1.10 is a standalone prop to get us Specialist #3 Doctor

##SECOND 1.10
##VOTE hellz yes to 1.10

Gonna be hung over in the mrning baiiii

I made a bunch of proposals at the end of page 4

Proposal 1.10 Hire Patrick Killian, allow his son to come along, pay him his rate
《《Already covered 》》

Proposal 1.11 Hire Doctor Gregory Haliburton (since councilor Poolio is sick)
##Seconded/combined with 1.10
《Yay bo, ike, bb》

Proposal 1.12 Hire Lieutenant Nathaniel Webster
《《Covered》》

Proposal 1.13 Name the colony New Webdipia, to offset the moral penalty from the new doctor
《《Covered》》

Proposal 1.14 Purchase the Farming Kit
《《 Covered》》

Proposal 1.15 Purchase Spices
《《Cocered》》

Proposal 1.16 Purchase Wool
《《Covered 》》

Proposal 1.17 Purchase the Mining Kit
《《Yep》》

Accepting all those proposals will leave us with: G400, SL700, I200 ST0 W100 F500
Yep.

I get that it's all covered, but it's all covered in proposals that have less than majority. Can a proposal be passed with less than majority?

@Cllr Moscow

Heath Edward: Um. Uhhh. Do you want lumber instead of food silos? K.
Why? If we can make a valid counter prop to tech tree in prop 1.3.1 im all ears

1.3.1
Research: Farming tool -> farming tool 2
Tech: food storage -> drying

Prop 1.8 offers to hire Doctor
But also says
Research: Farming tools
Tech: Lumber yard

This isnt a terrible idea from merchant moscow but shouldnt we queue up round 2 since were rushing both with scientist/engineer.

If we did vote yes on 1.8 it should be amended to include a deeper tech queue like 1.3.1 does. The queue depth is to aid our blitzers.

As far as I know we tell the GM what we passed into law and as long as its been seconded there is no majority it passes unless withdrawn or anended or replaced. I think all props pass basically as long as 2 ppl approve and theres no nay

Well then I've been working under the wrong assumptions and I apologize. I retract all of my proposals as they are already covered by other proposals and redundant.

##GM Note:
1.You make a prop
2. Councilors vote on prop
2a. yay or nay
2b. no vote = nay
3. before phase end a player assigned by council must send all approved props and final decisions to the GM.
4.GM adjudicates based on what that ONE councilor sends them.

Of course your charter should reflect this system as so you have accountability of the councilor who is in charge of sending in decisions.

The goal is to: Limit GM interpretation but having players handle their own vote counting and sending all of their final decisions to the GM. If i were left to count your guys butchered prop system right now who knows if you'd get what you want.

So let's say for example: Player A wishes to hire the admiral. He would make a prop;
since it is phase 1 the first number is "1". Then since it is the first prop the second number would "1" and since it currently has no sub-props the third number is "0"
1.1.0

Now Player B wants to hire the lieutenant. he could do two things. make a brand new prop (1.2.0) or he could make it a sub-prop of Prop 1.1.0 since they both have to do with specialist selection. If he chooses the second option then the prop would be 1.1.1

Now i personally don't care how you choose to vote beyond that or even if you vote. You can assign roles if you are organized enough and everyone agrees. All i care about is that before 2pm EST this sunday that 1 individual player posts all the finalized decisions.

We have 9 councilors. I do not agree to a system in which 2 councilors can pass a prop.

That said, I strongly believe we should move to a system where 'no vote=abstain' or we will get nowhere.

Lastly, you cannot reject a proposal (and certainly not decide this solo, even if you are self-proclaimed scribe) just because it's included in another proposal that has multiple items.

I tentatively vote against bb as Scribe. I do not agree with your methods; you are trying to silence others so you can push your own proposals. This is unacceptable behaviour. I am willing to reconsider if you change your modus operandi.

So, just to make sure my votes do not change to abstains:

##Yay 1.10 on the condition that 1.17 is also passed. Otherwise, Nay.
Abstain 1.11
Abstain 1.12
Nay 1.13
Yay 1.14
Nay 1.15, I cannot agree to this spending on the hunch that we can trade it favourably with the natives. We have not even consulted our Native on it..
Nay 1.16, see above.
Yay 1.17

Abstain 1.8
Nay 1.9, but I can be convinced to vote Yay. I think the governor has too much power.

Yay 1.7
Nay 1.6
Abstain 1.5 in its current form. If the taxation is dropped, I will support. Seperation of church and state seems healthy to me.
Abstain 1.3.1
Abstain 1.3
Nay 1.2.2
Nay 1.2.1
Nay 1.2
Nay 1.0
##

I agree with Lord Cleasar that we cannot hope to get anywhere with a system where no voting means voting no. If a councillor is unavoidably detained and unable to vote, that could derail an entire proposal. It makes much more sense for an abstention (whether deliberate or not) to simply side with the majority, as it ever does in real life: the people who make decision are th people who actually show up...

Still, i don't believe that our botanist was actively trying to silence people, only to streamline the numerous proposals that repeated themselves. I would be happy for him to continue as scribe. Equally, if others of your are uncomfortable with this, then I would be happy to put myself forward.

However, for clarity, and to allow people to vote for the individual suggestions that they agree with (rather than having to agree to, e.g. Prop 1.4 which contains 4 separate things - some of which you may agree with) I believe we should allow no more than one idea per proposal. This may create lots of proposals, but I think it is the more appropriate way of doing things until we are all comfortable with our colony, enough to consider a more structured government with departments with a certain degree of autonomy.

As such, I would be in favour of scrapping all previous proposals, resisting them as individual proposals and asking them to be seconded or voted on again.

*re-stating them

I would be happy to undertake this task.

In thus system, amendments could be cast as sub proposals.

Very well you fool. Go lay in your brothel with your dogs and harlots. I will go back to tending my plants. If you should ever find yourself suffering from a biting fever. Pray the council hires the Doctor, for youll get no helpful remedy from me.

Hopefully you are better with plants than people. The slightest remark is met with death threats..

##vote Kench for Scribe

Greetings fellow Councilors, I apologize for my late arrival, it appears my new time piece still has some issues to attend to (I didn't see this thread was here). I am an an Engineer, John Staplic is my name.

I have attempted to get the status of the current discussion, but with several proposals back and forth it was difficult to follow where we stand at present. Would someone be so kind as to summarize the current proposals for me.

As I understand it, we need to decide on 3 specialists to add to our colony, in addition to our own skills, assign one of our number as the official Scribe of the colony, decide on our research focus for the new colony, and last but certainly not least, decide on what to purchase and bring with us to the new colony.

I am in the process of putting together my own thoughts, but before I repeat others ideas, I'd like to get a lay of the land.

I am going to work on a restated version of all proposals made so far in the way suggested by Bo's Option A. Expect a lot of proposals. Also, I will try and incorporate all your votes so far, but you may all want to re-vote on things to be clear.

##Capt Rick, there are only 7 councilors correct?

Botanist Brainbomb

Merchant MoscowFleet

Scientist Kench

Colonel RagingIke297

The Native bo_sox48

Engineer CosmoSounder

Lord Claesar

Colonel Ike, I believe there are 8, you have forgotten Medic Poolio, though it's understandable, as like me he appears to be late in arriving to this planning meeting.