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Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Buying this Site
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Carebear (100 D)
19 Jan 17 UTC
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Cross-site Diplomacy Tournament
www.PlayDiplomacy.com is hosting a cross-site Diplomacy tournament. We have *eliminated* the paid premium membership requirement to allow us to invite members from other sites. WebDiplomacy players with strong reliability ratings and ratings in the top 10%+/- on this site are invited to participate in this event .
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stranger (525 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
gunboat related - grabbing Munich in 1901
I find that a lot of players that start as France would actually try to get Burgundy into Munich in gunboats in Autumn 01. What is the point of that? Germany will have to build armies to get France out again and thus put England in a massively advantaged position.

Thoughts?
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Peregrine Falcon (9010 D(S))
13 Feb 17 UTC
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Colours of the Great Powers on WebDip
Why does WebDip have the colour allotment it does?
In the original rules, it says that Austria is Red, England: Dark Blue, France: Light Blue, Turkey: Yellow, Germany: Black, Russia: White, Italy: Green. Why change England and Russia?
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cb6000 (100 D(S))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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The need for two forums
See below
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glo2018 (1697 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Rule Hypocrisy
the people that made a rule against "Sexism, racism, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry" but allow cussing i think is quite hypocritical. if you allow people to cuss on this site then why is it wrong for someone to politely state their belief that homosexuality is a sin? if this forum was made for people to voice their opinions and opinions are allowed on other matters then why is it wrong to voice your opinions on sticky subjects?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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@glo

seeing that we DO move in an ellipsis... that's a lie
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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I regret nothing.
JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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@agbemacht

firsthand source! or... anecdotal evidence?

it depends on what helps ;)
glo2018 (1697 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
we exsist that is proof enough that something happend. evolution is out of the qusiton (because it is just a crazy hypotheses) so eather aliens or a deity created us. if you choose aliens then the question keeps on coming back to who created the aliens. but if you choose a deity then you can say the deity has always existed (eternal). so which deity. i choose to believe the one that has the most eye witness and most un-biased sources.
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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PSA (for Americans):
His vote counts the same as yours
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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"His vote counts the same as yours"

In all actuality, it probably counts for 2-3x mine...
glo2018 (1697 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
http://www.icr.org/article/planet-earth-plan-or-accident/
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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http://timecube.2enp.com/
JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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@glo

"we exsist that is proof enough that something happened"

most people call it the big bang. super condemned tiny matter. i don't like it for reasons that are logical, not "there's a god who's kind of a dick to things he creates, and he made the universe"

"evolution is out of the qusiton (because it is just a crazy hypotheses)"

a floating molecule through some extraordinary circumstances gains sentience, then over billions of year small adaptations advantageous to the environment created the larger organisms we see today. not crazy...

"so eather aliens or a deity created us. if you choose aliens then the question keeps on coming back to who created the aliens"

probably evolution

"but if you choose a deity then you can say the deity has always existed (eternal)"

if something HAS TO create some other thing, then why does that ABSOLUTISM logic STOP with god? because it's a contradiction that disproves your point. Frankly there's nothing "impossible" about infinity, so why can't everything always have existed? the simple answer is: it's possible.

"so which deity. i choose to believe the one that has the most eye witness"

unverified eyewitnesses, that have on multiple occasions been proved false: most of genesis per se

"and most un-biased sources.

that just doesn't exist
Durga (3609 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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Wait. What's happening. I just unmuted some threads. Is there actually a debate on homosexuality on this forum right now?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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Welcome back, DO. I've converted to Christianity while you were gone. Can I talk to you about Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior?
glo2018 (1697 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
the reason the earth could just always exist is we would run out of natural resources and die (but sense God dosen't require any natural resources to stay alive that is why he could be eternal) also saying that a peace of dust created humans is not as logical as an all knowing God that lives out of time and who in fact who created time creating us
JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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@glo

the ICR is the Institute for Creation Research

It's not science, it's FOR creation research. Science doesn't PRESUME an answer, it ASKS a question, and doesn't know the endpoint.
JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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@glo

"the reason the earth could just always exist is we would run out of natural resources and die"

i really meant the entire universe, but yes: we are running out of resources as we speak. is this news to you?

"(but sense God dosen't require any natural resources to stay alive that is why he could be eternal)"

this is still not PROOF of god.

"also saying that a peace of dust created humans is not as logical as an all knowing God that lives out of time and who in fact who created time creating us"

yours is SIMPLER, NOT more logical.

the very statement "lives out of time" defies almost every single logical maxim ever proposed.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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"the reason the earth could just always exist is we would run out of natural resources and die (but sense God dosen't require any natural resources to stay alive that is why he could be eternal) also saying that a peace of dust created humans is not as logical as an all knowing God that lives out of time and who in fact who created time creating us"

Are we playing that game where you just randomly string words together by continually clicking the autocomplete button on your phone?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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@glo

I have a very serious question for you. Do you realize that the posts you are making are not conveying anything that even remotely resembles a coherent thought? Are you doing that on purpose? Do you think you are making compelling arguments?
JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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@agbe

i bet that is how he thinks evolution works
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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"a floating molecule through some extraordinary circumstances gains sentience,"

Wait, James, do *you* understand evolution? : )
JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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shit, sentience isn't the right word
JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
animation?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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Abiogenesis is the word you are looking for.
JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
that... would have taken me a while. danke schön
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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Bitteschön
fiedler (1293 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
^ nobody who speaks german could be an evil man.
JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Ich spreche Deutsch... denkst du daß ich nicht böse bin???
Tolstoy (1962 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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You know what hypocrisy is?

Demanding that some people have to tip-toe and mind their words to avoid offending particular groups of people, and then turning around and mercilessly mocking, ridiculing, and demonizing one particular religion and its adherents.

Spare us the "this is a private site!" bullshit. 18 months ago we were all being lectured that providing a public accommodation meant you couldn't discriminate. The same people telling us that Christian bakers had to bake gay wedding cakes or go to prison have been systematically purging this forum of anyone with opinions that weren't compliant with progressive orthodoxy for years. Now they hide behind the same argument that they were claiming was deplorable and indefensible just a few months ago.

Highly disturbing to see peoples' proclaimed values turn on a dime depending on the political winds. Proof that tribalism will trump ideals, sadly.
Lethologica (203 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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Oh, glo.

@Pascal's Wager:
Leaving aside the questions of whether one *can* or *should* attempt to acquire faith for selfish reasons, Pascal's Wager is a wholly neutral bet. For every possible god who rewards a given type of faith, there is another possible god who punishes that faith, and a third who just doesn't care. Having no way to evaluate the likelihood of these gods (thanks, Omphalos hypothesis!), the expected afterlife benefit of believing in any combination of gods (including none) is equal.

@Cosmological argument:
There is no escape from some form of illogic. We have an eternal universe (infinite regress), or a first cause (special pleading). A first cause need not look anything like a God, either. So this is not a logical argument for the existence of God.

@Fine-tuning argument:
Measuring the probability that things will turn out exactly as they have only makes sense from the present, at which point that probability is 1. Otherwise, there is no reason to restrict ourselves to *this* form of life on *this* planet in *this* solar system in *this* galaxy, and you don't have a solid basis for conjecture about the general probability of life arising.

@Morality argument:
You're just incredulous that a desire to be better to each other could exist without a God. Don't mistake your incredulity for divine necessity.

Indeed, we irreligious are often incredulous when Christians make this argument; do you truly believe yourself incapable of holding back from raping and murdering without a divine daddy telling you it's wrong and threatening eternal damnation if you do it anyway?

We grope towards a better morality and find it a worthy pursuit, whether the ends are absolute or no. Those who say it can't be done should not interrupt those who are doing it. At any rate, it's preferable to wondering whether the next priest I see is gonna summon a couple bears to maul me. That's not an ethical standard I can get behind.

@Evolution:
All I can say is, you should try learning about it some time as something other than opposition research. Evolution is not the enemy of faith; it is simply a highly robust theory of biological development.

@Prophecies:
What I'm mostly seeing here is retroactive reinterpretation of the Bible to manufacture correct prophecies out of nothing and deny prophecies that failed. An omnipotent deity could do better if it cared to.

@Historicity:
No, the Bible's historicity is not verified in anything close to its entirety. No global flood, for starters. More importantly, while relevant historical scholars broadly agree there was an itinerant preacher put to death by Pontius Pilate, there is no such consensus around claims of resurrection and divinity.

@Formatting:
Notice how I sometimes press the enter key and create space between groups of sentences that are about different topics, so that people can tell where one topic ends and another begins? You should really try it some time.
Lethologica (203 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
"You know what hypocrisy is?

Demanding that some people have to tip-toe and mind their words to avoid offending particular groups of people, and then turning around and mercilessly mocking, ridiculing, and demonizing one particular religion and its adherents."

As I see it, when you proselytize and do it poorly, people are not mocking your faith and its adherents when they point out how poor your proselytizing is.

I do note one or two places where I inappropriately failed to confine my remarks to the argument rather than the faith. I will strive to do better in the future.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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@ flaws in the bible:

Lets start with something simple,
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PR 30:5 Every word of God proves true.

1KI 22:23, 2CH 18:22, JE 4:10, EZ 14:9 God deceives some of the prophets.

JE 8:8 The scribes (copyists, editors, teachers) falsify the word.

2TH 2:11-12 God deceives the wicked (to be able to condemn them).

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Is the bible the word of god? Is every word true? Does god mislead using false words?
How do you handle this internal inconsistancy?

(This sungle example took all of ten seconds to find using google... Because confirmation bias lets me go only this far and research no further. Christians may have cone uo with rationalisations to justify this, but these quotes are as good as any you have used to confirm your own biases...)
JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
@Tolstoy

I actually am fine with Christian bakers discriminating who they bake cakes for. I don't agree with the ideology behind it, but freedom of association, freedom of belief, and freedom of inaction. Plus when a christian couple went to a gay cake shop and asked for some Bible Page number/name things that quoted lines calling homosexuality a sin:

nope. ain't happening. the Gay couple's belief that Christians were Wrong allowed them to discriminate again the Christians. Whatever. the Free Market won't be kind to them, public opinion sure as hell isn't

in any case, @glo was misquoting me BAD, but i remained "civil" - no cussing or ad hominem.

I did in fact attack lies and fallacies in his argument.

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brainbomb (290 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Why did we invade Klendathu?
What value was there to the planets owned by the bugs? Why not just nuke them?
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
03 Feb 17 UTC
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Petition to rename St. Petersburg
St. Petersburg as a territory name is offensive to anyone who isn't Christian. We need to change this to be more welcoming to other religions.
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SuperMario0727 (204 D)
12 Feb 17 UTC
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Switzerland: No Man's Land.
Let's assume that Switzerland is no longer impassable. What effects would that have on the game, the strategy, and the tactics? Should Switzerland stay a no man's land, or might it be more interesting to make it a playable space? Perhaps it could be a neutral supply center, or just a neutral territory. What do you guys think?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Feb 17 UTC
Live tournaments
Questions:
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SuperMario0727 (204 D)
11 Feb 17 UTC
Turkey Opening Strategies: Moving to Syria?
Turkey opens normally, except the fleet in Ankara moves to Constantinople, and the army in Smyrna holds. The army in Smyrna then moves to Syria. Turkey can build a fleet in Ankara or Smyrna, depending on whether he is going after Russia or Italy. This is not my idea. I was just curious to know what you guys think about it. Is a Turkish move to Syria just plain silly, or might it have some serious strategic effects?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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Relinquishing the forum
Hey I'll be at work for a few hours don't want anyone to get worried. Just thought I'd let you guys know I won't be posting.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
French - Italian alliance
How would this work? Usually there's a non-aggression pact, but if France were willing to sacrifice Marseilles in return for support in Tyrolia, is this a workable relationship? Stabs are VERY difficult as they cross the stalemate line, but has this been effectively done before?
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Updated Forum Rules
http://webdiplomacy.net/rules.php
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LeonWalras (865 D)
08 Feb 17 UTC
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A Conservative Answer to Climate Change
I don't imagine a revenue neutral carbon tax proposed by top republicans from the Reagan era will be at all controversial...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-conservative-answer-to-climate-change-1486512334
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brainbomb (290 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Joining this site
I like this site so much Ive decided to Join it. By creating additional accounts to make up for all the people leaving. Brainbomb2 brainbomb3 and brainbomb4 will explore the true depth of my personality
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Randomizer (722 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Preparing for the Zombie Apocalypse
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/us/illinois-zombie-bill-trnd/index.html

Getting ready for the Apocalypse and other disasters, i.e. Trump.
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wpfieps (442 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
I hate people from Zimbabwe
Zimbabwe-ans suck big time.

I was actually going to use this new thread to maybe comment about what I think about women, or maybe what I think about Republicans, or maybe something else like that. But then I thought those things might get me in trouble. So I decided to express my opinion about Zimbabwe-ans instead.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Leaving this Site
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slypups (1889 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Strategy differences between the maps
What would you say the biggest overall strategy differences are between playing the small map (Ancient Med) vs Classic vs the larger maps (Fall of American Empire, Mod Dip, World Dip, and soon to be extinct Known World)?
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Alleged 9/11 Mastermind Explains Motives
Shockingly, in 18 pages the supposed imperative to spread Sharia Law and force Americans to convert to Islam does not get a mention. American foreign policy, however, gets plenty of ink.
http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/911-masterminds-letter-to-obama-heres-why-we-attacked-america
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brainbomb (290 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Better work conditions: Borg Cube or Industrial Revolution
Discuss
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Ezio (2181 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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Egathetos (207 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Newbie question
If a piece "supports hold" another unit does it loose its own "hold"?
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09 Feb 17 UTC
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Leaving this Site
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Daily Daily Thread Thread
Please post all your Daily Threads here in order to keep forum spam to a minimum. Post Daily Threads here and only here.
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brainbomb (290 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Out of control thread
I want a safe place for all the haters. Lets make a thread that is totes out of control. But keep it light. Here we can call each other idiots and morons. And threaten to punch ourselves in the face.
#MAGA #bringbackkrellin
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09 Feb 17 UTC
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Lockenfietje (135 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Leaving this Site
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Limni (491 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Server down?
Seems like the server has been down for a while now - does anyone know the cause or a likely ETA for resolution?
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