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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
27 May 11 UTC
Discuss the game "Guuuuunboat" gameID=60001
Hello,
I just had the most fun gunboat game, gameID=60001. The adrenaline is still pumping.
Would any of the player involved in the game like to comment or give suggestions?
Outside observers are welcome as well.
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NinjaIntervention (199 D)
27 May 11 UTC
New Live Game!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=60062
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gramilaj (100 D)
27 May 11 UTC
Chicago FTF Game
Hey, I'm looking for a 7th player in the Chicago area who is up for a game at 11 tomorrow. Please let me know as soon as possible if you can play.

Thanks!
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blackrain001 (138 D)
27 May 11 UTC
Big boy game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=60059
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Alternative-To-Evolution Bill Passed...Should Creationism/Intelligent Design Be Taught?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20052007-501465.html

Brought to you by the same fine state behind the "Don't Say Gay" Bill, here "the thrust of the proposed law would elevate creationist theories about human evolution to the same status accorded by most educators to Darwin's research." Good? Bad? Should Creationism/IT be taught?
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I'm skipping the debate here to let you people know that a good personal friend of mine has been fighting hard all this past year to get the same type of creationism bogus bill out of Louisiana. The effort's been a huge success thus far, the bill made it to the committee floor and we're going out to the Capitol today to take on the Louisiana Family Forum and try to get this bill through committee to state lawmakers. (Perhaps even more of a success when you consider the guy leading the fight is 17 years old!)

If you're interested in finding out more, go search "Zack Kopplin" on Google, the internet's shown him quite the love the past couple of months. And if any of you godless heathens want to keep the Good Baby Jesus out of the educational lives of public schoolers and happen to be in the Greater Baton Rouge area this morning, come on down to the Capitol Building for 9:30. We'll take all the support we can get.
semck83 (229 D(B))
26 May 11 UTC
OK, here is fiat.

Say I know something for excellent reasons -- say I'm a historical researcher, and I find a letter from Alexander Hamilton, dated 1/1/1783, and postmarked (and dated) in Baltimore, so I know (to good approximation) that Hamilton was in Baltimore on New Year's Day, 1783.

And suppose I come and tell you that Hamilton was in Baltimore on 1/1/1783, but I don't tell you why I think that. I just say that he was, and tell you you have to believe it, because I said so.

Then

(a) I know it for good reason, but

(b) I am telling you to accept it by fiat.

Hope this helped.
fulhamish (4134 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Science can say nothing about logical- and particularly mathematical-truth, yet it relies on both. This is not to be taken as a weakness, but rather reflects the fact that science is a human activity, and not to be taken as some isolated description of ''the truth''. Some of my friends in other disciplines are always disappointed by this, I am not sure why.
Octavious (2701 D)
26 May 11 UTC
@semck83

No no, this isn't merely a peer pressure thing. There wasn't much in the way of the tradtional "desperate looking to see how everyone else answers" going on. The debate itself before the vote wasn't obviously one-sided either, with a fair amount of enthusiastic comments from both sides. They didn't vote they way they did because that's what everyone else was doing. They voted because they genuinely believed that was the right answer.

Kids do indeed want to know stuff, and they very much want to be right. And if they already "know" what the right answer is then they're not going to waste any time trying to prove themselves wrong. If a child firmly believes in creationism, unless they are told point blank that it is wrong and why it is wrong by someone they respect they are unlikely to ever change there minds.

...unless they want to impress a hot girl who thinks it's bloody stupid, of course ;).
semck83 (229 D(B))
26 May 11 UTC
Fulhamish's response is better than mine, Putin, which appeals to authority and then bails. I apologize for a weak post.
In addition to the key, and more important points, that he makes, and in addition to Hume's induction arguments, which stand between scientific methods and an authoritative description of reality, I would add that, in addition, science always explains patterns by reference to other patterns, or else just asserts the existence of patterns. It simply assumes -- everywhere -- the idea of causality, and rules out explanations that are non-causal (see solution techniques of Maxwell's equations for especially clear examples of this). Causality, like logic and mathematics and induction etc. etc., is immaterial and not subject to the methods of science to explain. It must be assumed.
semck83 (229 D(B))
26 May 11 UTC
Octavious, thank you for the clarification.
But isn't this belief in a "right answer" that exists outside of access by the methods of reason just the kind of thing that gets drilled in by the approach to education Putin is advocating?
(I'm not saying it's there just because of that. Heck, I don't know why it's there. Not my field. But I'm just saying, this could only make it worse).
Octavious (2701 D)
26 May 11 UTC
@ semck83

Just because Putin says something doesn't automatically mean it's entirely wrong ;). In all honesty I have no idea what he's been saying as he gets thoroughly over-excited by this sort of thing and it's often best to ignore him.

Whilst it is often difficult (and rightly so) to claim something is the right answer (evolution has its fair share of flaws), it can be really easy to know when something is wrong. Creationism is blatently wrong, and belongs in schools only as an amusing side note in history and religious education classes.
fulhamish (4134 D)
26 May 11 UTC
I think someone mentioned Richard Feynman and his father in this thread. It caused me to ''google around'' a bit and I came up with this which I thought some of you might enjoy:

http://www.thingamababy.com/baby/2010/06/richardfeynman.html
Darwyn (1601 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Here is all the proof you need to demonstrate that there is no "creator"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1a1Ek-HD0

Creationism is no better at explaining the world around you than the ancient Greeks explanation for the sun moving across the sky as a dude in a chariot.
brought to you by the same state as the dont say gay bill? More like brought to you by the same state as the Scopes law. Tennessee has been up to this for nearly a century

All you need is paranoia right Darwin. Who needs god when you can be your own god and condemn whole peoples right you twit?

Mujus (1495 D(B))
26 May 11 UTC
So this scientist says to God, "You think you're so great, but science can now grow life from test tubes." God replies, "Let's have a showdown. I'll create a man, and then you give it a try, if you're sure you can." So God stoops down, takes a handful of dust, forms it into the shape of a man, and breathes life into it. The scientist is surprised but undaunted. "Now it's my turn." He stoops down, picks up a handful of dust, and God says "Uh-uh! You get your own dust."
fulhamish (4134 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Mujus I appreciate the joke. I understand that when Dawkins was asked how the first replicating cell formed he resorted to an extra-terristrial seeding explaination! Anything to avoid the G word eh?
Darwyn (1601 D)
26 May 11 UTC
full - are you saying there's no difference between aliens and god?
Draugnar (0 DX)
26 May 11 UTC
Well, that was the theory behind Clarke's 2001 in so far as life on this planet (and Europa in 2010).
fulhamish (4134 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Darwyn which is your preferred explaination for the first self-replicating cell? RD has hypothesised that it is aliens. He must have been reading that von Däniken guy.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chariots-Gods-Was-God-Astronaut/dp/0285629115

Or maybe it was read aloud to him by his actress wife (preface of The God Delusion) ;-]

Do you agree with him?
Darwyn (1601 D)
26 May 11 UTC
fulham - Are you are suggesting that aliens and god are the same?
Yonni (136 D(S))
26 May 11 UTC
That would explain the pyramids.
Draugnar (0 DX)
26 May 11 UTC
@Darwyn - your extension to God = aliens = God is flawed. The first self-replicating cell had to come from somewhere, but God created the universe. So, even if aliens did seed life on earth, that doesn't mean they created the universe. The origin of life on earth may be external to earth, but the origin of the universe cannot be contained within the universe as aliens would be. Therefore whatever created the universe must exist outside of the universe, i.e. God.

Understand, I'm not an OT literalist. I don't believe God created everything in 6 days or even 6 "periods". The was an instant of some form of creation. Some initial spark. Then the forces that we have translated into laws took effect as they were intended by the will of this supreme being. For all I know or care, the supreme being is what science calls nature. And that is the essence of God.
fulhamish (4134 D)
26 May 11 UTC
@ Yonni
That would explain the pyramids.

There is a book in there somewhere, pass it on to the former microsft (almost ref. C. Simonyi) funded professor for the advancement of the public understanding of science at Oxford uni. I heard, through the grapevine, that he could do with another best seller.
manganese (100 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Fulham, no he didn't. Dawkins was just pointing out that even aliens are more likely than gods.
Darwyn (1601 D)
26 May 11 UTC
"your extension"

MY extension? Once again I find myself asking WTF?

I posted a video citing Dawkins and the fulhamish says in response that "he (Dawkins) resorted to an extra-terristrial seeding explaination! Anything to avoid the G word eh?"

And then I asked him a question to clarify is implication. Where is the extension Draug?
Draugnar (0 DX)
26 May 11 UTC
OK, your suggestion that fulhamish might think aliens=god shows an inclination in that direction on your part, when in fact, fulhamish said no such thing. He only indicated that Dawkins would make that connection (which was also a false assumption). I was showing that there is more to God than just life on earth, which could well have been seeded by aliens. God is alpha and omega. Not just of life but of all nature, the universe, even time itself. But, of course, I'm more a deist than a theist, so the source of the first matter and the first energy and any guiding force that establishes the boundaries in which the universe operates is God in my view.
manganese (100 D)
26 May 11 UTC
@Draug. How do you know that?
fulhamish (4134 D)
26 May 11 UTC
@manganese.

In all seriousness - we can all move the first cause one further step down the line and that is exactly what RD was doing. It does not even adress the fundamental question and, in my view, it is very telling that RD engaged in this avoidance of the question. I am sure he would make a good politician, but is this really a scientific response to the argument from first cause; would you make it?
Yonni (136 D(S))
26 May 11 UTC
For people that are inclined to go for the God explanation... Why is it always referred to as a monotheistic God?

I mean, the whole thing is hogwash but I'm just interested as to why the term God and not Gods is being used in this discussion.
Darwyn (1601 D)
26 May 11 UTC
"your suggestion that fulhamish might think aliens=god shows an inclination in that direction on your part"

wtf are you reading? lol...oh, was this supposed to be humor again? Whatever, this is dumb...
Draugnar (0 DX)
26 May 11 UTC
@manganese - Beliefs aren't about knowing. they are about looking for the *why*. Science lets us seek the *how*. Philosophy/religion is the search for the *why*. I don't know any such thing, but the idea that the universe has expanded and contracted an infinite number of times and that matter and energy have always existed is just as foreign as a supernatural force. Infinity is a concept. God is a concept. (And no, Darwyn, infinity != god). How do you know things have always just been (infinite time)? You don't. How do I know God exists? I don't. We accept our belief systems on faith, whether that faith is that first cause just happened (which has it's issues) or that God was the first cause (which has the "who created God" issue as well).
Draugnar (0 DX)
26 May 11 UTC
@Yonni - Why the term nature and not natures? The deist concept of a supreme guiding force could apply to forces as well, but whenever you get into multiple external forces interacting on a system, you get into conflict on some level. Considering the cohesive unity of the universe as we understand it, it's just as easy to say it is one force. But if it is multiple forces external to the universe, then they must have acted/be acting in unity in order to have created the harmony we find from the macroscopic to the microscopic level of the universe and nature.
Draugnar (0 DX)
26 May 11 UTC
@Darwyn - quit harshing my mellow man.
Darwyn (1601 D)
26 May 11 UTC
"I am sure he would make a good politician, but is this really a scientific response to the argument from first cause; would you make it? "

fulham - just because humans knowledge of science cannot explain everything, doesn't mean that it can be attributed to "god" and therefore taught in school. Your definition of god will always change to suit you because there unknowns in life.

Its no different than Greeks explaining how the sun moves across the sky because of a dude in a chariot. For lack of a better explanation, it's what they used...but we know better now. An unknown doesn't give you a free pass to point and say god.

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Maniac (189 D(B))
26 May 11 UTC
Old men (or women) required
Please join if you are 45 or there abouts
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JEccles (421 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Tournaments
is there any way that I could get into a tournament? I've been wanting to play in one for a while but I haven't been able to get in one yet.
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Kautilya (100 D)
27 May 11 UTC
Guys, please just one more player gameID=60027
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=60027
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Carpysmind (1423 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Move Question
if one country has a army in StP and a fleet in BalS while the other has a Armies in Mos and Liv: will BalS>Liv and StP>Mos stop Mos supporting Liv>StP? Is there any way to stop it?
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Yonni (136 D(S))
27 May 11 UTC
Support question
If you have a fleet in Greece and a fleet in Con, can the fleet in Greece support the F Con - Bulgaria (NC)?

In the support tab you don't seem to need to specify coast.
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Kautilya (100 D)
27 May 11 UTC
Cricket Diplomacy gameID=60027
Hello fellow gamers, please join my game 'Cricket Diplomacy' which starts in under 4 hours. The game is meant to pay tribute to the cricket diplomacy between India and Pakistan at the recent ICC game in Mohali. The URL is http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=60027.
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FatherSnitch (476 D(B))
26 May 11 UTC
Satellite Sentinel Project
Just came across this site via the BBC website:
http://www.satsentinel.org/

What a brilliant idea! Big Brother is watching you, but he's just checking up that you're not engaging in genocide or war crimes.
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CaptainPrice (100 D)
24 May 11 UTC
The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=55968
This is a request from me and my fellow players to get Oz removed from the game as he continually refuses to ready orders with no other reason than to spite us. Send a reply if you have questions, CaptainPrice.
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Stukus (2126 D)
22 May 11 UTC
Issue Diplomacy Game Started
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=58701
Just in case anyone wants to watch, it's a team game, but every two years the teams change. Should be fun. Watch if you wanna.
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baumhaeuer (245 D)
25 May 11 UTC
In speaking of obscure ethnic heritages and lineages...
what percentage of what are you? I'm (roughly--we don't have this exactly on Mom's side) 1/2 German, 1/4 Scottish, 1/8 Irish, and 1/8 English. And for some reason, I always imagine it as a pie chart with German on the right half, Scottish in the upper left quadrant, English sharing a side with Scottish, and Irish sharing a side with German.
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Octavious (2701 D)
23 May 11 UTC
Barack Obama and the Homeopathic Theory of Ethnic Heritage
It seems if you take someone who is 100% Irish, and dilute the bloodline again and again and again over many generations until the original blood is pretty much undetectable, the result is someone whose Irishness is so powerful it is attracts the votes of Irish Americans from all over the US.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
26 May 11 UTC
What would you do if.....
....you email a mod and after 4 days there is no response, but you know that if you posted the same info here they would respond before you finish typing?
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Invictus (240 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Well dammit
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/05/sarah-palin-the-movie.html?cid=hp:mainpromo5

Sarah Palin's had a real movie of herself made which will be shown in Iowa this June. Perhaps I was wrong about her not running.
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d3stroy3r (622 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Join live game
Live game in 30 minutes, 10 diplomacy points and it's in classic
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
26 May 11 UTC
Fatal Error on Vdip
anyone else having this issue?
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
26 May 11 UTC
Advisor for SoW Gad game needed
Preferably top 50 GR
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TheFlyingBoat (2743 D)
25 May 11 UTC
Replacement
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=57534#gamePanel

There will be a forced CD soon, so I am looking for a replacement for Russia.
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ButcherChin (370 D)
25 May 11 UTC
Advice?
I'm a relatively inexperienced player, but I really like the game. I just finished a gunboat (gameID=59815), where I was Russia. I thought I was doing pretty well at the beginning of the game, but I ended up just surviving with 2 SC's. I know my two major mistakes were placing the wrong order in Spring 1905, and the failure of protecting Rumania in Autumn 1906. I was hoping that I could get some advice to help me get better at the game. Thanks!
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Kautilya (100 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Join my game: gameID=59945
Hi guys, join my quick game ExpressDiplomacy gameID=59945. Game starts in 6 hours. Thanks!

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=59945
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raphtown (151 D)
26 May 11 UTC
Not sure why rome played like this...
Genuine question, in this game: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=59927 Rome thwarted a pretty obvious attempt to form a stalemate.

Was he merely trying to get payback for past wrongs done to him or was he going for the Diplomacy Points? Are Diplomacy Points valued here to the point that they are more worthwhile than draws?
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Juiski (119 D)
23 May 11 UTC
VDiplomacy - the better Diplomacy
My friend told me last week about a new diplomacy site http://www.vdiplomacy.com/ its exactly like this one but has dozens of variants (thats for the "V" before Diplomacy). The moment I sae the list of variants i realized that there is absolutely no point in playing this webDiplomacy instead of VDiplomacy. So everyone now go to the site i linked and check it out yourselves. Its awesome!
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Otto Von Bismark (653 D)
25 May 11 UTC
Classic PHP Retry.
I started a new game http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=59893. Hopefully the same people will join up. It starts in 3 days.
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Riphen (198 D)
25 May 11 UTC
Guys I am a Moron. It O-fish-al
Here is a post from a greedy turk I got when I didnt comply to his orders.

"You will pay for being a such fucking Moron. WE gave you a shot on getting you 155 D you BLEW IT GL and now this game will take 20-30 days to play because THIS one move."
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Kochevnik (1160 D)
25 May 11 UTC
Build two fleets in St Pete?
So, the game I'm currently playing in is in a situation where I'd like to have more fleets. I was in the process of ordering my two builds when, quite by accident, I see that building in St Pete north coast and also, during the same build phase, building in St Pete south coast is a valid option (ie I'm allowed to make and save that order).
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apem8 (1295 D)
25 May 11 UTC
Join live game
Live game in ancient med. Only 40 dippoints and to join go on link
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