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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
07 Mar 17 UTC
Bankruptcy
Thoughts? Any bankruptcy lawyers?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
07 Mar 17 UTC
New federal state to be born?
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-three-state-union-may-be-answer-to-brexit-1.2734041#.WLy6fkby76Q.twitter

Will Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving the UK joined with the Republic to form a single federal state (and EU member)?
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treehouse4 (100 D)
09 Mar 17 UTC
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Can anyone find a problem with this plan
Hawaii's state senate is proposing a bill that would allow medicaid to cover the cost of housing and allegedly save the state millions of dollars annually.

Can anyone find a problem with the plan?
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ssorenn (0 DX)
05 Mar 17 UTC
Gunboat
Who wants to play one?
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peterwiggin (15158 D)
07 Mar 17 UTC
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Mod team announcement
LeonWalras is stepping down from the mod team due to lack of time. Please join me in thanking him for his service.
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
07 Mar 17 UTC
For Libs only - cool article
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article136940273.html

This is the story from Rachel Maddow a few days ago, talking about the Russian jet parked next to Trump's jet in Charlotte just before the election. The Russian is a billionaire, part owner of Bank of Cyprus. Of course, you recall that Wilbur Ross is an investor in the Bank of Cyprus. Maybe it's just a coincidence. Maybe it's MURDERRRRRRRR!
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
07 Mar 17 UTC
Nature or Nurture - Which impacts political beliefs more?
Are we hardwired to be conservative or liberal or do we have complete freewill? Nature or nurture?
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brainbomb (290 D)
07 Mar 17 UTC
What do you do if you think people arent meta-gaming
Is this the real life?
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ssorenn (0 DX)
04 Mar 17 UTC
Online Dip vs F2F
Do the same talents lend themselves to both venues?
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LachStyle (240 D)
07 Mar 17 UTC
What do you do if you think people are meta-gaming
I dont know what to do
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Deeply_Dippy (458 D)
06 Mar 17 UTC
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The Pouch is back!
For those who haven't heard, The Diplomatic Pouch is now back online:

http://www.diplomatic-pouch.org/
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
05 Mar 17 UTC
Atheistic reading of the story of Jesus
https://youtu.be/iX9pDI9o6IQ

Ok, the discussion is based on a book...
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CAPT Brad (40 DX)
27 Feb 17 UTC
Reliability Rating Determination
How is RR determined? As I figure it by NMR/Moves it should be 99. if by CD/Finished it should be 97. Either way it should be above 95. Even the average of the two would be 98. CD: 5. NMR / received: 46/4783
RR: 95% breakdown. Total (finished): 202
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Mercy (2124 D)
06 Mar 17 UTC
WWIV statistics
I compiled the data of 51 finished games with press and compared how well the different powers did.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
05 Mar 17 UTC
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Mothering...
https://newmatilda.com/2017/02/23/mothers-basic-income-case-urgent-intervention/

"Mothers undertake the bulk of the unpaid care work, without which our society would cease to function. [...] As a society is it acceptable that we free-load on this care?" (As case for Universal Basic Income)
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tvrocks (388 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
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Why does life have value in your opinions?
Sorry if this is a weird question but I'm interested in hearing other's perspectives. Is it determined by their potential for happiness, intelligence, and/ or other talents? Does the value of someone's life fluctuate as they get older/ gain experience/ relationships, and/ or based on their actions? Are human lives worth more than other animals and if so why? Does a life inherently have value? Discuss.
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brainbomb (290 D)
01 Mar 17 UTC
Bae
This thread is for bae.
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MajorMitchell (1874 D)
03 Mar 17 UTC
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Snapchat valued at $44 billion ???
Confirmation that I'm a fuddy duddy, I don't understand how a company that produces what ? can instantly be valued at $44 billion
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brainbomb (290 D)
05 Mar 17 UTC
Why does Onions have value in yoir opinions?
Sorry if this is a weird question but I'm interested in hearing other's perspectives. Is it determined by their potential for happiness, intelligence, and/ or other talents? Does the value of someone's onions fluctuate as they get older/ gain experience/ relationships, and/ or based on their actions? Are oniin lives worth more than other veggie folk and if so why? Does a life inherently have value? Discuss. Also are we all inherently bi?
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
04 Mar 17 UTC
Why do veterans get a "public option" for services at the VA?
With all the hospitals to choose from, isn't it wasteful to prop up the VA which is so fraught with problems? Conservatives, you hated the public option when the ACA was being legislated. Why is it ok for veterans? Is it just welfare for conservatives?
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
02 Mar 17 UTC
Is having a Russia connection a prerequisite to be in the Trump Administration?
Manafort, Flynn, Carter Page, Jeff Sessions, KellyAnne Conway, Wilbur Ross, Rex Tillerson all have Russia ties...
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ND (879 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
The Democrats will lose even more seats in 2018 and they won't even come close to re-taking the house. Although folks like Ogion refuse to admit it, the majority of this country is republican or center right. Only a few small city areas and coastal portions of the United States is Democratic, left/liberal, etc.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/306736-dems-hit-new-low-in-state-legislatures

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/14/obamas-legacy-democratic-losses-party-chaos/

This chart backs my point up even more and it shows that since Obama in 2008 not only have the Republicans surged at the national level, but also picked up thousands of state and local seats.

The Republicans may lose a couple of house seats in 2018, but not the majority. They will gain several Senate seats because there are ten Democrats up for election in states that Trump won by more than 30 points. The question is how many more Republican Senators will there be in 2018? Will Republicans get to 60?



Randomizer (722 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
It may surge away from the Republicans because their supporters are already demanding things that they won't get. Jobs and an improved economy are what they get blamed for not producing when they have so little control over them. Plus everyone that benefited from ObamaCare doesn't want it repealed unless they are guaranteed their benefit is kept.
ND (879 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
It's true that it may go away from the Republicans if they can't deliver on their promises, but I find it hard to believe those people go to the Democrats, more likely a third party maybe.
slypups (1889 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
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Sure - he should be forced to divest and put funds in a blind trust, but impeached, no.

@ND - more than half the country (popular vote) voted democrat. So no, the majority of the country is not republican, or center right, but the Republicans have done a nice job with getting public power despite only getting a minority of the votes through good district maps.
Further, your article is poor evidence. The more liberal California has over 12% of the US population, but only 120 seats in its state legislature, or about 1.6% of the state legislative seats in the country. Similarly, the more liberal New York has a little over 6% of the population and just 150 seats in its state legislature, or 2% state legislative seats in the country. Just because some more conservative states have more state legislature positions per person does not mean they represent the majority - math doesn't work there. If California and New York decided to have a number of state legislative seats in representative of the percentage of the state's population in the country, there would be more democratic state representatives than republican. The measurement here is contrived to inaccurately represent the majority of the population because it gives greater weight to rural states with smaller populations and larger numbers of state representatives per person (somewhat ironically given the conservative platform of smaller government). Proper measures of representation show that conservative views are a minority position. This is true to an even more extreme extent if you consider the views of those too young to vote or those that could vote but fail to do so, as they tend to embrace more liberal positions but are not given a say in elections.
Lethologica (203 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
What? You mean ND is willing to embrace distorted sampling for the sake of partisan slander? I don't believe it.
ND (879 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
Honestly, that was not my intention. I am not trying to paint a distorted view of the political system, but when a party can only win on the West Coast and portions of the North East then I wouldn't say it represents the majority of the country.
Ogion (3882 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
Violating a provision of the constitution in accepting major payments from foreign governments is impeachable. Changing US foreign policy for personally financial benefit is a major violation of the duties of the President.

If it isn't, then what would be?

Lethologica (203 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
If the party wins where there are a lot of people, it certainly can represent a majority of the country, with or without representing a majority of the geography.
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
04 Mar 17 UTC
Letho, neither party has a majority of voters
Ogion (3882 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
And when the constitution read "We the real estate of the United States..." That'll be reasonable
Lethologica (203 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
Hence the word 'can'. The only one who claimed a majority of the country belonged to either party was ND.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
ND, define "majority of the country" then. I am willing to bet your definition will be too convoluted to be useful.
Ogion (3882 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
Sorry, leth that was meant to me an add on not a contradiction

Majority = more than 50% of the people. Neither oarty commands that and can't. Too much voter disenfranchisement
slypups (1889 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
majority defined: "the greater number." In the context of elections: "the number by which votes for one candidate in an election are more than those for all other candidates combined."

These definitions have nothing to do with geographic distribution of the voters. Land does not vote. People vote. The majority of the people are on the coasts. The 2010 census found that roughly half the people in the country lived on either the West Coast or East Coast of the United States, and these geographic regions have seen heavier population growth than the rest of the United States, particularly in coastal cities. So yes, the coasts can make up a majority of the country in terms of the votes.

This is of course a simplification, as the coasts do not just vote democrat, just like the central US does not just vote republican, so these regions alone do not vote one way and determine national elections on their own.

But I see no problem with the coastal states having a large voice in elections - that's where the population is, and when voting for a national candidate, each vote should count equally, which is why our electoral college system is outdated. We accomplish a stronger voice for states in government through the senate and house and do not need to do it for the presidency as well. Although I understand this approach is built into the constitution, I disagree with it, and I further take issue with the implementation which skews votes towards small states to an even greater degree than called for by the constitution.
TrPrado (461 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
"It's true that it may go away from the Republicans if they can't deliver on their promises, but I find it hard to believe those people go to the Democrats, more likely a third party maybe."

This would make me quite happy, but I'm not sure about the feasibility.
TrPrado (461 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
Also, there's the distinct possibility of voting against party. I know liberals who voted Trump and conservatives who voted Clinton.
Hauta (1618 D(S))
04 Mar 17 UTC
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Of course, y'all remember that the electoral college (and senate) was set up to entice states with low populations to join the union by giving them an outsized voice. This made sense when people were more loyal to their state than the union. When people stopped saying "the United States ARE" and started saying "the United States IS", we became a nation (rather than a collection of states). That was the time, if ever, to get rid of the electoral college.
Ogion (3882 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
Still is time. It's absurd that the federal government is so unrepresentative.
slypups (1889 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
^ Yes - it's long past time, and there is time. We're a country more than disparate states now.
Hauta (1618 D(S))
04 Mar 17 UTC
@og/@sly: do the math gents. It takes 2/3rds or 3/4ths of the states to approve such an amendment to the constitution. However, there are more than 17 states (>1/3) that would lose power over such a change. Thus, 2/3rds or 3/4ths will NEVER be achieved.
ND (879 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
majority of the land mass and geography of the country is indisputable, same with the majority of states.
Hauta (1618 D(S))
04 Mar 17 UTC
@ND, a majority of the land mass and geography of the country has no one living on it. It's farmland, mountains, forests. People's homes occupy a very small % of the country.
ND (879 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
I noticed you left out.. "majority of the states"

So I suppose the little people in the farmlands and forests and mountains don't matter? 2016 should have taught you differently.
Hauta (1618 D(S))
04 Mar 17 UTC
I'm saying that the farms are big but that their houses are small in comparison.
Ogion (3882 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
In other words, the US will never be a Democracy. Probably the best approach would simply to remove states from federal district of entirely and have a bicameral house of many small district elected every two years and 100 large equal population district elected every six. Forget about apportioning senators by state
Ogion (3882 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
Of course, we have much better odds of California seceding than of tiny states giving up their unfair advantage. We are pretty close to 34 Republican states now and if all the west coast states, New England New York and New Jersey and Delaware all supported each other's secession we'd have 12 blue states voting yes, and getting 22 red states to agree to see the back of us shouldn't be at all hard.

That's a much more feasible approach
ND (879 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
America is not a democracy. It is a Republic with a federalist system. If you want to live in a true Democracy travel back in time to ancient Athens.
Hauta (1618 D(S))
04 Mar 17 UTC
@Og, so what happens when a new census requires redistricting? By gerrymandering, the party in power can put a lock on national government for eternity. C'mon man, get your head in the game!
Hauta (1618 D(S))
04 Mar 17 UTC
Most of ND's outlook is rooted in 500BC thinking.
ND (879 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
If a few states wanted to form a loose association of states (there is another word for this type of secessionist government) and secede it would not be a cake walk. The last time there was a secessionist movement there was a Civil War. The Supreme Court has ruled that secession is illegal and that the Union is Perpetual forever.

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SuperMario0727 (204 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
Concerning German Strategy: On The Subject Of Fronts
On the subject of German strategy and tactics, there are plenty of fronts to consider—the Northern, Eastern, Southern, and Western Fronts. Each front asserts different commitments, and offers different opportunities. It is important to consider each one before deciding . . .
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
04 Mar 17 UTC
Ireland's tragic history of mixed race 'illegitimate' babies
If you don't know the tragic story of how Ireland dealth with women who had sex and ended up pregnant without being married. Or the consequences for their children - or the abuse the faced at the hands of the Church - then this may shock you.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2017/feb/24/irelands-forgotten-mixed-race-child-abuse-victims-video
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Milo Talon (100 D)
03 Mar 17 UTC
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Known World 901
Is the Known World 901 map no longer available? It shows on the variant page, but you can't create a game with it.
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
04 Mar 17 UTC
March Ghost Ratings Published
Another month flies by...
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maddotter (830 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
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Chicago FtF Tournaments April 8-9 and June 23-25
The Windy City Weasels, Chicago's face-to-face Diplomacy club, is holding a 3-round tournament April 8-9 in the western suburbs. Check out codcon.windycityweasels.org for more information (or PM me).

The club's signature tournament, the Weasel Moot, will be 4 rounds and will be held June 23-25 in the Avondale neighborhood of Chicago. More info at moot.windycityweasels.org (or PM me about that one, too).
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BooBoo (15 DX)
05 Mar 17 UTC
classic live game come join!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=193174
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Djharkavy (108 D)
05 Mar 17 UTC
World diplomacy game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=193167
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BooBoo (15 DX)
05 Mar 17 UTC
Live Game at 8!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=193169
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BooBoo (15 DX)
05 Mar 17 UTC
Live Game starting soon!
sign up right here: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=193169
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