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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
25 Jan 17 UTC
Lusthog time
It's lusthog time. 2 games this go, same as usual:
- Gunboat
- No draws until stalemate
- No NMR
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The Ambassador (124 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Dip Directions?
In episode 11 of the Diplomacy Games podcast Kaner and I discussed longevity aspects and risk management of sites like webDip and vDip to ensure they grow and reduce the chances of going down (either technically speaking or perceptions of IP infringement). We said we'd create a thread for this for others to contribute. What do you reckon?
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
03 Jan 17 UTC
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MAFIA XXVI - GAME THREAD
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Flame (125 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
For Russian-speaking players
I still want to remind that russian-speaking players are also welcomed to Diplomail.Ru webdiplomacy server.
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
25 Jan 17 UTC
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So apparently you can't join more than 10 games...
WebDip thinks I have a life. Funny
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ssorenn (0 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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My gunboats are over, time for some new ones
36h,dss, 25pt, gunboats
3 games--please join if you can play all three
Please ready if you can-----
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fourofswords (415 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Can we get 901 back?
Is it possible to get known world 901 variant back? with or without fixing bugs? It seems enough people like it.
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Condescension (10 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
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In less than 24 hours, a lunatic will be in control of the nuclear football.
We're fucked.
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The Ambassador (124 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Latest podcast of Diplomacy Games
New podcast episode of DiplomacyGames.com is now live on the website, iTunes & Stitcher. Kaner and I trade barbs over our 1v1 performance, we go down the rabbit hole about the direction of the various Dip sites and have a bit of fun discussing the Africa variant over at VDip. Enjoy!
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ssorenn (0 DX)
23 Jan 17 UTC
Thomas Sowell
The worst president ever

https://youtu.be/0UpiNiaak18
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ssorenn (0 DX)
23 Jan 17 UTC
Sorry Jamie. Just had too
Lethologica (203 D)
23 Jan 17 UTC
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-19/why-labor-force-participation-is-still-so-low
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Well, I'd say the primary cause of oil's decline was the shale revolution in the U.S.. The fracking that started going on in the late 2000s just unleashed such a huge supply that demand was overwhelmed and naturally the price took a hit. U.S. rigs are so flexible that anytime the price starts to creep back up, more will come online and increased production will send the price sinking back down. We really have done a number on oil dependent countries like Russia and Venezuela.
ssorenn (0 DX)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Shale producer were all almost out of business at $26 a barrel. OPEC finally was willing to cut production
ssorenn (0 DX)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Shale and fracking is high cost low grade oil
TrPrado (461 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Fracking isn't oil though.
TrPrado (461 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Oh nevermind I'm just very familiar with its association with natural gas.
ssorenn (0 DX)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Fracking is a process. Extremely labor intensive. Thx prado
TrPrado (461 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
But yeah it is an expensive process. The earthquakes associated with it come from cheaper methods of disposing of waste.
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Our technology has improved greatly over the past few years, we can now produce oil just as cheap as pretty much any of the OPEC countries, http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/30/leaner-and-meaner-us-shale-greater-threat-to-opec-after-oil-price-war.html.
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Natural gas is actually the byproduct, oil is the main reason for using it.
slypups (1889 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Obama as worst president ever is just laughable. The social good he did for a major part of the population in just getting elected alone made him better than average. And we're still alive, with much lower unemployment than when he started, and we're not in any major war, which should put him ahead of many others.
Certainly a civil liberties viewpoint on this one: http://civilliberty.about.com/od/historyprofiles/tp/Worst-Presidents-Ever.htm
ssorenn (0 DX)
24 Jan 17 UTC
All oil no matter the source go through the oil market for price discovery
slypups (1889 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Ultimate authority that Wikipedia is, puts him in the second best quartile, but at least this is based on many polls: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
Lincoln, Washington, and FDR seem to be top 3 choices for most.
Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, and Warren Harding are favorites for the bottom.
Carter seems to be the most contentious, ranked as high as 18th and as low as 34th.
Reagan's service has aged well, considered to be in the mid 20's just after his term, but seems to have a consensus around 8-11 now.
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Lower unemployment has come as a result partially of two things, people taking bad jobs that they don't actually want, and people who have stopped looking for work completely. Now, there certainly are more happily employed people now than in 2009, but the unemployment rate falling to its current level has come at a pretty high cost. And last time I checked, we were still in Afghanistan, not to say Obama is the reason we are there because he isn't.
Lethologica (203 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
"Lower unemployment has come as a result partially of two things, people taking bad jobs that they don't actually want, and people who have stopped looking for work completely."

So there's this thing called the U6 unemployment rate that covers discouraged and underemployed workers...

http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate

If the U-3 decline were masking economic malaise caused by job-seekers becoming discouraged/underemployed workers, we'd expect U6 to be declining more slowly than U3. But the opposite is true.

Maybe the U-6 is missing people too. But where are they going?
Lethologica (203 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Ugh, consistent naming. U3, U6. Not U-3 and U-6.
Yoyoyozo (65 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
They died because Obama is obviously eating them.
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Oh yeah, I saw that on that zombie tv show... Oh wait, I don't have cable. It must have been the NBC news.
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
http://www.shadowstats.com/article/c810x.pdf

Arguments like this discuss U6 and U3 measurements. In truth I think they overestimate but they have some good points
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
U1, persons unemployed 15 weeks or longer, as a percent of the civilian labor force;
U2, job losers and persons who completed temporary jobs, as a percent of the civilian labor force;
U3, total unemployed, as a percent of the civilian labor force (this is the definition used for the official unemployment rate);
U4, total unemployed plus discouraged workers, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus discouraged workers;
U5, total unemployed, plus discouraged workers, plus all other marginally attached workers, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers; and
U6, total unemployed, plus all marginally attached workers, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers.

discouraged is generally measured as short term for the last 4 weeks actively looking for employment, and long term as within the last 1 year

anyone who is actively looking for work past the 1 year mark aren't even considered, which affects people of 2 varieties, a skilled job that has been wiped out in the US, or a low skill job wiped out of a region. both of these people still want jobs, but have taken quite a bit of time searching: still technically unemployed

honestly if you consider the way industrial production and manufacturing in the US was on the downshift, plus many construction jobs, it's fairly obvious U6 isn't necessarily the hands down best.

(i'm addressing its aggregate with U4 specifically btw)
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
and 2 varieties is actually probably an oversimplification at that!
Lethologica (203 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Fair. (I assume you mean "*isn't* actively looking for work".)

More reading:
http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/07/16/unemployment-is-low-but-more-workers-are-leaving-the-workforce
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
@Lethologica

not necessarily, they can still be looking for work but not finding any in their expertise, so they stay on welfare.

This is generally not considered unemployed as they're "not in the labor force" but they're still a part of our population, who aren't retired, who aren't too young, who aren't dependents on someone, but aren't considered unemployed

"actively looking for work" is bad, because people can go for a year without a job and still be wanting a job
slypups (1889 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Short version - there are a lot of different unemployment stats, and under some, unemployment, the employment percentage has improved less than under other stats, but it still has improved, and not just trivially, no matter how you measure it. It was very bad in 2008.
pastoralan (100 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Anyone competent to talk about presidents knows that it's ridiculous to talk about where they fit in history for some time after they are in office.
Lethologica (203 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
"not necessarily, they can still be looking for work but not finding any in their expertise, so they stay on welfare."

Incorrect. People who are jobless, available to work, and actively looking for work are categorized as unemployed in all of U1-U6. That's *literally* the definition of unemployment.

Any jobless person in the relevant age bracket who wants a job, is available to work, and has either worked *or* actively looked for work in the last 12 months is at least marginally attached (U5).

Specifically addressing people who aren't finding anything in their expertise: marginally attached workers who haven't actively looked for work in the last month "because they believe no job is available to them in their line of work or area" are discouraged workers (U4). That's not the only reason discouraged workers can give, but it's one of them.

Labor force participation is another issue, because labor force participation is only calculated using employment + standard unemployment (U3). Marginally attached workers aren't counted as labor force participants, but they *are* considered in unemployment measures U4-U6.

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
Fluminator (1500 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
A friend shared this video to me:
10 reasons why Obama was the worst president ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0F6jGenEuU
I figured it was relevant, even though I disagree with some of the points. (not all)
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
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Like... It's idiotic to say a president is the worst within a week of leaving office
JamesYanik (548 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
@Lethologica

no, only up until one year

from your OWN source

"Specifically, to be counted as marginally attached to the labor force, they must indicate that they currently want a job, have looked for work in the last 12 months (or since they last worked if they worked within the last 12 months), and are available for work."

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TrPrado (461 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
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Most Important Thread of the Year
The Oscars
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
14 Jan 17 UTC
Phantasmagoria?
I'm a little confused as to how you would use the word phantasmagorical/phantasmagoria/etc. I understand the words meaning, but would it be used as a negative connotation or positive connotation?
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Ezio (2181 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Most Elegant Stab
I am trying to find some examples of pretty looking stabs. I know people take pride in them, so what do you think is the best stab you've ever done on the site?
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0k0k0 (4810 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Why can't I create a Known World Game?
The option does not appear in the list of variants.
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sirKristof (15 DX)
23 Jan 17 UTC
901?
I've been unable to find or create any new 901 variant games for a while now. It's still listed as active though! Anyone else have this issue?
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
23 Jan 17 UTC
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US Election and Aftermath
I did this with my Asia Pacific thread. Let's see if a reasonable discussion on the possible outcome of this election could be. (Articles and counterpoints are more than welcome)
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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
23 Jan 17 UTC
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diplomacy.avi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVvAl7G4xLI
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brainbomb (290 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
Why God probably isnt real
I decided to open my imagination
I prayed about something recently. I asked God to give me signs. God gave me all the wrong signs. Therefore I submit this as Exhibit A, God is eother an asshole or doesnt exist. Discuss
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
23 Jan 17 UTC
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"Alternative Facts"
Or, you know, what we used to just called "lies".
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Ezio (2181 D)
16 Jan 17 UTC
aaron rodgers is a god
I told everyone
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
23 Jan 17 UTC
Let's Keep It Real
Conservatives- Resistant to change, confident in the status quo.
Liberals- Supportive of change, dissatisfied with the status quo.
If we stopped attacking each other for a few minutes these traits could be complimentary.
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Condescension (10 D)
23 Jan 17 UTC
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Conservatives are socially awkward
I think I just figured it out. Conservatives are just fucking socially awkward. That's the only reason you could possibly not figure out that privilege is a thing.
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evanej (100 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
How are you welcoming in Trump?
It is time!
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JamesYanik (548 D)
23 Jan 17 UTC
NEW WORLD RECORD
after only 4 hours, #alternativefacts is already being overused, just beating out the previous record held by #fakenews.

we fully expect to endure this for the next few days, until it to dies, or develops into something else (such as #bullshitnews)
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brainbomb (290 D)
21 Jan 17 UTC
I dont believe in the alphabet or languages
I think God did not actually create the alphabet. People did. People also made the tower of babel. Im agaist taxes being used to teach people the alphabet. God didnt create it, so its not important
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
20 Jan 17 UTC
Does math Exist, or is it really JUST an idea?
I found
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CAPT Brad (40 DX)
19 Dec 16 UTC
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Why I Love The Live Gunboat Games
I have the PC game of Diplomacy and played it to victory pretty much everytime; the few losses from the beginning as i was learning.
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Chumbles (791 D(S))
22 Jan 17 UTC
Only one needed: gunboat, ancmed
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=189485
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
19 Jan 17 UTC
F2F Tournament in MA, USA
As above, below
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Peregrine Falcon (9010 D(S))
21 Jan 17 UTC
Friends Game
I'm looking for three more people to join me and three friends for a game. We'll keep the meta gaming to a minimum. Post here or message me if you're interested.
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