Yep, that's our Putin. I honestly believe he's paid by the Republican party to scare people of communism, but that's just me. :/

If the West is the source of all evil, how can refusing to sell North Korea iPads increase infant mortality tenfold?

Either the north korean "self reliance" socialist model works, or it does not. If it did work, they would be able to, I dunno, feed themselves. If it doesn't work, how fucking stupid would you have to be to support having the rest of the planet act in the same idiotic fashion?

And redhouse may be right. Only a Republican would look at spending 25% of your GDP on the military and cream their pants. Of course, they're afraid of us invading - unlike, say, Cuba, that spends about 4% of GDP

"Yep, that's our Putin. I honestly believe he's paid by the Republican party to scare people of communism, but that's just me. :/"

I actually have irrefutable evidence that Putin and Tettleton are multi accounting, they are the same person.

Their objective is to poison the wells of the extreme left and right so much that people have no rational choice left but the center.

Oh wait. The only rational choice always WAS the center.

But still, bravo for their object lesson in how political extremism produces such pathetic line-toeing.

And yeah his insistence on the label Democratic Korea is funny, because it's as if he really does think it is democratic.

Putin - except at the UN, no one outside DPRK calls it Democratic Korea. We call it North Korea. Why? Because it's a monarchy, as spyman pointed out in your slav thread.

Interesting how the Netherlands+islands is called "Kingdom of the Netherlands", while everybody agrees it's a democracy, and North Korea is called the Democratic Republic of North Korea, while everybody agrees it's a monarchy.

In my future country "The Piece of Land that is governed with horrible cruelty by redhouse" it is where we will all find real peace.

We call it North Korea because we imposed the artificial divisions on the country with a bloody massacre of the Korean people and by wiping off villages from the map. You people can congratulate yourselves on how awesome you are for ripping on the DPRK all you want, and congratulate the West for its merciless attacks on one of the few independent countries remaining in the world (including its deployment of battlefield nukes in 1993 when DPRK had no nuclear program whatsoever), it says more about you than it does Democratic Korea.

putin youre dodging. im not talking about the west. im talking about DPRK, your appellation of it as "democratic korea" and your stance on the monarchy that exists there despite the name. respond to that please

@Putin. What you're doing is called framing. You're trying to frame the concept of North Korea into the concept of democracy. This is what communists do. That's why the most idiotic communist add "democratic" to the name of their country, such as the DPRK and the DDR (Demokratische Deutsche Republik or something stupid like that).
George Orwell wrote a beautiful description of this concept, which he named "doublethink", in his book 1984. I recommend you read this book cover to cover a billion times before ever posting anything again on this site.
The rulers of these countries have no interest whatsoever in the people or their opinion, because they believe in a centralized system that regulates everything for the people. That's because they believe the people are stupid.
So now I'm unframing it again. The DPRK is the DUMB people's republic of Korea and its legitimate government is in Seoul.

@Putin - When was the last time Kim Jong Il's Korea had an election? How can it be a democracy if the people don't get to vote on the leadership? It's called P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A. The "DPRK" is not a democracy at all.

Ok putin, you are right in saying "north" korea is an artificial construction put there by the west via means of massacre. What you're wrong about is everything else. What are you even arguing against? Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that there is anything to be admired in a person such as kim jong il??? or that the west could learn something from brutal, brutal, work harder in the salt mines or I send your family to camps brutal, north korea? REALLY?

@ draug, npt positive but I'm pretty sure they do have elections. Il gets 99.9% of the vote or something

North Korea has a multi party system. Formally speaking, it is much more democratic than the United States. There's one tricky thing. All parties are part of a larger political movement (Don't know the name, probably something that has people, work and democratic in it) that all minor parties must obey. The communists/socialists/democrats/whatever they call themselves represent 75% of the seats in their excuse for a parliament.
Appearantly, this system made such an impression on Putin, that he actually believes it's a democratic system. I keep discussing with Putin, because he amuses me. I secretly believe that he means none of what he says and tests the limits of being able to take a ridiculous position.

PS for a more accurate description of "democracy" and how it relates to communism, read Nathan Sharansky's "Case for Democracy". George W. Bush listed this book as one of the theoretical foundations for his presidency. Read it anyways.

Democracy in your view means bourgeois elections. Rigged competitions between millionaires and billionaires to battle it out for the right to rule over everyone else. To the masses of the world democracy means popular control.

Democratic Korea is its name. It represents its heritage as the part of Korea whose government reflected the interests and wishes of the masses. South Koreans wanted the Americans out of the country in 1948, and equated being pro-American with being pro-Japanese and pro-traitor. In order to stave off a growing mass movement that opposed the western presence in the country, the US divided Korea along the 38th parallel and imposed a brutal military government in the South via Sygnmann Rhee, an exile who had been living in America for forty years. Heaven forbid they hold elections in the South, because they would have lost. The people's committees of the Korean People's Republic which been organically established in the South were dismantled because they were a threat to western capital. In the late 1940s numerous villages came under the control of a democratic guerrilla movement that fought against the collaborators. The US controlled military regime imposed the National Security Law which imprisoned and/or shot tens of thousands of southern guerrillas. To this day, the US has de facto control of the South's military in the event of any war. But I'm sure you all will claim the South is a "democracy" while the North is a "monarchy".

Gim il Seung ( was a heroic guerrilla leader who had fought against the Japanese colonial authorities and who continued the struggle after the Americans artificially divided the country and imposed a military regime full of Japanese collaborators in the South. Gim, a patriot who was never the pawn of the Soviets & Chinese that he has been made out to be (indeed the Soviets gave him little support vs the Japanese), implemented a radical program of land reform in the north of the country while the South left everything in the hands of a small landed elite.

After the devastating Korean civil war, in which the democratic North supported the rebellion in the South against the US imposed military regime which was imposed on the South, Democratic Korea was devastated by American brutality (the Americans deliberately bombed the irrigation dams that provided water to 75% of its land, among its myriad of crimes). But yet, Democratic Korea developed and recovered quite quickly, becoming a model which even Che Guevara of Cuba looked to for guidance. The military regime in the South eventually caught up due to preferential trade policies and massive subsidies given to it by the US, including payments which added up to 10% of the South's GDP. US military spending helps boost the South's economy. DPRK's awkward handling of the Sino-Soviet split had hurt its economy in the 1970s & 1980s, and then the collapse of the USSR had allowed the West to engage in a policy of economic strangulation.

The point is, until the most recent economic difficulties, even western commentators had noted: "compassionate care for children in general and war orphans in particular; ‘radical change’ in the position of women; genuinely free housing, free health care, and preventive medicine; and infant mortality and life expectancy rates comparable to the most advanced countries until the recent famine."

http://books.google.com/books?id=pe86S4iCz34C&pg=PT5&lpg=PT5&dq=compassionate+care+for+children+in+general+and+war+orphans+in+particular;+%E2%80%98radical+change%E2%80%99+in+the+position+of+women;+genuinely+free+housing,+free+health+care,+and+preventive+medicine;+and+infant+mortality+and+life+expectancy+rates+comparable+to+the+most+advanced+countries+until+the+recent+famine&source=bl&ots=0JanGm0Zuf&sig=I_rxIYFsFbw-q9N_o1zwFhN2fPI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0bDvTon1JoSWgweQmsWACQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=compassionate%20care%20for%20children%20in%20general%20and%20war%20orphans%20in%20particular%3B%20%E2%80%98radical%20change%E2%80%99%20in%20the%20position%20of%20women%3B%20genuinely%20free%20housing%2C%20free%20health%20care%2C%20and%20preventive%20medicine%3B%20and%20infant%20mortality%20and%20life%20expectancy%20rates%20comparable%20to%20the%20most%20advanced%20countries%20until%20the%20recent%20famine&f=false

So the DPRK should make no apologies for calling itself Democratic Korea.

So why are you not emigrating to this absolutely splendid sounding holiday resort? Well, Putin, there's a character in George Orwell's book: Syme. Syme is a very intelligent man, who masters the art of doublethink perfectly. Then one day, Syme disappears. Like Stalin made Trotski disappear: there were no records that Syme ever existed.
As much as you like Kim, Kim doesn't like you back :(

you are such a joke putin

Putin please do not mention South Korea. I am not talking about that.

I don't give a rat's ass in the context of this conversation what kind of government South Korea has.

I am asking you about North Korea.

Whatever its official name is, is it a monarchy in practice, or isn't it?

Actually Thucy you're hitting the sweet spot. Monarchies break with Communism's original idea of equality.
So, Putin, is it a monarchy or not? That's also all that's left that I'm interested in. I'm going sleeping and hope to have your answer tomorrow ;)

explanation of a dictatorship of the proletariat in 3...2...1...

@red - Kim doesn't like anyone back. Kim is dead, red. Hmmm... Maybe better dead than red is a good saying. hehehe

Sure, North Korea may have started with genuine revolutionary anti-imperialist sentiments, but that was 60 years ago. Today North Korea is best known as being the worlds charicature of repressive totalitarianism. They really have huge prison camps (some of the bigger ones you can see on google earth) which you can be thrown in for such things as speaking out against kim jong il or (not making this up) NOT WORKING HARD ENOUGH IN THE SALT MINES. People power? how the fuck do you figure? it is patrilineal, it is a monarchy. fool. This is a country where the leader (excuse me, dear leader, or is it holy leader or fearless leader or somethging now?) is one of the worlds largest importer of luxury items while the people starve.

I can even continue. There are SO many things I could bring up. They are so totalitarian its almost funny. They are OBVIOUSLY EVIL. For god sake, when dear leader wanted to make a godzilla movie, he kidnapped the director and his wife for EIGHT YEARS before they eventually escaped.

seriously.
Are you for real dude?
You are starting to become self-parody, just a charicature. like TC

Putin, just because you are a communist doesnt mean you have to support every vaguely communist governetn in power.

Haha fucking anarchist telling our communist what's up.

+1 Sicarius.

This, guys, is why I like webdip.

See, this is why I don't mute TC. We *need* him. He balances us out.

The capitalist (TC), the communist (Putin) and the anarchist (Sic). It's our own little movie with a score by Ennio Morricone and directed by Sergio Leone!

Here is life in your 'peoples state' putin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfUD1iPc8kw

check out 2:05

notice how they thank 'dear leader' for the return of their sight, instead of the doctor government officials barely allowed in the country

Hey say all you want about anarchism, at least it doesnt have some ridiculous idealogical party line that leads to dumbasses stupidly supporting oppressive regimes. Now you all know how much I hate the pointless name calling etc. but reeeeeally. I'm not seeing how anyone could b so stupid as to actually support North Korea. I mean, I'm seeing it, but im not sure I really believe it.....

God damn Sic. Welcome to 1984.

Heres a poem I wrote, it's called "an Ode to People Power"


The Committee for Human Rights in North Korea estimates that North Korea holds approximately 200,000 people in its system of concentration and detention camps, and that 400,000 people have died in these camps from torture, starvation, disease, and execution. These reports, in the context of estimates that North Korea has allowed between 600,000 and 2,500,000 of its people to starve to death while its government squandered the nation’s resources on weapons and luxuries for its ruling elite, suggest that North Korea’s oppression and politically targeted starvation of its people collectively constitute the world’s greatest ongoing atrocity, and almost certainly the most catastrophic anywhere on earth since the end of the Khmer Rouge regime in 1979.