Yeah, I can pretty much guarantee almost no Americans will be online. That morning and afternoon is dedicated to getting explosives and food, and you want to start setting off the explosives early sometimes for early fun.

yes. I recall every year waking up at 6 AM and tossing a 100 string of black cats into the street then running back inside so the neighbors would wake up lol

As it stands, if there is no hammer, or Judge-hammer, EoN 2 would fall on the evening of the 3rd. Would people want EoN 2 extending, or an extension to EoD 2, or EoD 3?

My thinking in terms of allowing an extension vote was that this would put the timing of any extension in the hands of the players.

D3 should probably be an extra 24 hours.

I don't think I'll be able to play, but get me an unspoiled spectator thread when it starts!

If you start June 27th that puts EOD 1 on Wed June 29th, N1 on June 30th and D2 would encompass up to Sat Jul 2.

That puts you into N2 ending on Jul 3 and thus SOD3 would be a 3 day phase going until July 5th which it already is anyway.

So maybe give D3 and extra day and go to July 6th

Ill join you in there Flumzy

Very well.

I will state that IF D1 to N2 run their full lengths, then D3 will be 72 hours long instead of 48.

Ironically if they hammer phase shift will happen on the 4th after all so basically dont hammer until after D3 lol

I think that if you made it so that there was no discussion during a holiday it would work better because then there wouldn't be a lot of people trying to catch up on a lot of writing. Last time there was an extended phase it seemed reilly drawn out, and it got obnoxious.

that's just my two cents, feel free to ignore.

Interesting idea Reedeer. I worry that would be hard to police. What if someone forgets, and posts on 4th July? Modkilled?

I suppose I could ask a Mod to temporarily lock the game thread?

reedeer is referring to M18 over Easter where on a 3 day phase I claimed intentionally at the start of it. Keep in mind most people dont PR claim randomly unless they are insane. I doubt very many people would post on the 4th of July anyway. Its not a day where you wanna be in front of a computer anyway. I doubt youd need to lock it.

You could just make it a friendly rule like hey guys lets post minimally on that day. Im sure people would observe such things if asked for politely.

I think we should declare a July 4th no-talk Council, consisting of myself, brainbomb, and DemonOverlord, that will help manage the lack of talking over the 4th of July weekend.

##vote to extend whatever phase happens over July 4th. Don't care if it's D3 or N3. Post counts don't apply then, and any substantial posting that does happen should be scumread.

re: Spectator threads - I really liked the idea of having everyone go to a spectator thread when they die. That way we can keep guessing. We should all get access to the god thread at once, when the game ends. That'll have to be a decision made by both GM's though, or it won't work. I thought it was a good idea though, fwiw. :)

@Chaqa - Maybe we could have guak mentor you guys

hey Jamie now u just need guak, Balki, and warden to play.

And krellin

So lets talk about how to balance a setup 101.

First of all if you play enough live mafia it automatically teaches you how to balance but thats irrelevant.

Jamie has a setup with 6 Mafia vs 5 PR and 11 Vt.

Only 4 of the mafia are specialists.

Thats pretty solid for a 22 player game.

A. never have more PR than scum
B. never have more PR than VT (unless its millers and/or reverse mafia or role madness.
C. Never give mafia extra kills beyond the NK or the occasional 1 shot sniper. (There are exceptions poisoner vs doc).
D. There usually is no reason to use a commuter role. its OP and ridiculous.

If you remember the purpose of town protectice roles isnt to actually provide a certainty of a night free from kills. its to provide a skills based "maybe" prevention. Giving town docs, and commuters and life saving potions is no better than using the horrible Angel roles from M15. Even with solid scum play the Angel was too OP.
When you have an idea for a wacky new role rethink.

Gunsmith
Doc
Vig
Cop
Oracle
Jailor

are some of the most common and enjoyable roles to use. They might not be sexy like an equalizer but they also keep the game pace fair at an avg of 1.5 deaths per phase.

Add Bomb to that list. (This website does not use bomb nearly often enough. I dare a GM to add the role of bomb back into setups.)

Consider that if guak had not died via modkill town would not have been in mylo or lylo for a full extra phase. Extra deaths = dynamic changers

The modkills in M17 and M18 also dramatically affected the dynamic in M17 scum was diminished to 5 members by modkill before that led to krellin feeling sorry for scum. In M18 town losing goldfinger forced town to play much tighter and in this case having 1 extra vt die only made it easier for town PR to simply mass claim since the setup was unfair and imbalanced at 6 PR vs 6 Mafia and no 3rd party

Current sign ups stand at:

1. Teacon7
2. ghug
3. xorxes
4. MoscowFleet
5. bo_sox48
6. Floodgates
7. ND
8. Goldfinger0303
9. Hellenic Riot (pending availability due to work)
10. DemonRHK
11. Vecna
12. Maniac
13. Chaqa
14. VashtaNeurotic
15. DeathLlama8
16. TrPrado
17.
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.


Substitutes:

1.Reedeer1
2.

Following final discussions with Captainmeme we're slightly concerned the "Blackmailer" role I'd invented is potentially unbalanced in certain scenarios which could make it seem OP. I will therefore replace it with a more standard Scum role.

Final Mafia roles to be posted in a moment.

Possible MAFIA PRs:

0-1 GODFATHER - You are the GODFATHER! During the day you make an accusation against someone; the candidate who reaches a plurality will be IMPRISONED at the end of the day.

If you are investigated by the cops, you will show up as INNOCENT and VANILLA. However an ITEM COP will still be able to spot any items you happen to be in possession of. While you are alive, your NK vote is strong enough to settle any ties.


0-1 NINJA - You are the NINJA! During the day you make an accusation against someone; the candidate who reaches a plurality will be IMPRISONED at the end of the day.

If you go out at night, you will not be seen.


0-1 JAILBREAKER - You are the JAILBREAKER! During the day you make an accusation against someone; the candidate who reaches a plurality will be IMPRISONED at the end of the day.

Once per game, at night, you may break into the state penitentiary and BUST OUT any player who has been INCARCERATED. That player will have to go into hiding and does not rejoin the game, but they may take two final actions:

1. If they wish, they may give you a message of up to 20 words (via the GM)

2. If they have an un-used night or day action (including an item-based action) they may trigger that action, which will then occur during the next relevant phase (that is, if it is a day action, it will happen immediately. If it is a night action, it will be processed the following night).

Alternatively, INSTEAD of using your power to bust out a felon, you may use your skills to break into the police station at night, and STEAL an item which has been CONFISCATED by the item cop. The item will then be in your possession and you may use it. The ITEM COP will be notified that the item is missing from their evidence safe.


0-1 HOOKER - You are the HOOKER! During the day you make an accusation against someone; the candidate who reaches a plurality will be IMPRISONED at the end of the day.

Each night, you may visit one player. They will have a lovely, sexy time, but this will roleblock them for any other night activity.


0-1 STRONGMAN - You are the STRONGMAN! During the day you make an accusation against someone; the candidate who reaches a plurality will be IMPRISONED at the end of the day.

Once per game, you may carry out the nightkill and bludgeon the target to death so effectively that no medical assistance can save them. While carrying out this action, you cannot be roleblocked.


0-1 THIEF - You are the THIEF! During the day you make an accusation against someone; the candidate who reaches a plurality will be IMPRISONED at the end of the day.

Each night, you may target one player. If that player has an ITEM, you will gain possession of it. You will be able to use the item as normal.


MAFIA ITEMS: The Mafia have assembled a stash of items to help them. These are stashed in a secret location at the start of the game. Each night, in their QT, the Mafia should discuss which item to bring into use, and which of their team should have it. The Mafia can vote on this, if a consensus cannot be reached. Each night ONE item may be assigned. The player assigned the item must go and retrieve it from the stash at EoN. They may do this in addition to their normal night action(s).

The items are:

1. A one-shot GUN which may be used night or day, once obtained.

2. A set of BINOCULARS which may be used, each night after being obtained, to spy on one player. You will learn if that player went out, or stayed at home.

3. A bottle of WHISKEY. This may be used once, at night, to target one player. That player will get DRUNK and lose any night actions for that night.

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ORDER OF EVENTS
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Events at night will take place in the following order:

1. Hooker / Whiskey Roleblock
2. Reporter hiding
3. Cop investigations
4. Thief robbery
5. Jailbreak / Jailbreaker safecrack
6. Reporter investigation / Binocular use
7. Inventor delivers
8. Mafia kill
9. Doctor / Medic / First Aider visit

Need four more players at least, and will take up to 6 more.

We don't have a DemonOverlord yet. Are you joining us, DO ?