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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
16 Jun 16 UTC
Ecuador V USA
21:30 UTC -5

Anyone down to live discuss?
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
Voting in 1970s Britain
An interesting article about the 1975 referendum:

http://scarfolk.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/voting-in-1970s.html
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
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Favourite Ancient Empires
Byzantine.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
12 Jun 16 UTC
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Gun control
Webdip has changed so much, back in the day after a mass shooting we'd have a thread within a minute, argue for days and then nothing would get done. Now we just leap straight to doing nothing. I miss the old times.
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Durga (3609 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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I'm not sure if Leon is actually a human being with genuine feelings, or Stephen Colbert's over the top satirical conservative character personality from the Colbert Report. Maybe we're all just missing the sarcasm here.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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"it's data still shows that jihadists cause 1/3 of mass shooting casualties.. They obviously don't make up 1/3 of the population. "

So white antigovernment extremists are a far bigger threat than Muslim extremists despite the fact that the US government is busy killing or helping to kill Muslims by the thousands around the world and from that you make the conclusion that we should scapegoat Muslims for gun violence in America.

Brilliant.

If it were black people who committed as much mass shootings as white antigovernment extremists you'd want them all locked up.
peterlund (1310 D(G))
12 Jun 16 UTC
"The dichotomy in opinions here is what will kill America"
@TrPrado - this is what democracy is all about. Where do you live and how does your debates look like?
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
Leon is Glenn Beck's fantasy boyfriend.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
@ Leon: "it's data still shows that jihadists cause 1/3 of mass shooting casualties.. They obviously don't make up 1/3 of the population"

Would you say that 100% of the population are gun-toting murderers?
Because 100% of mass shooters are gun-toting murderers.
leon1122 (190 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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"I'm not sure if Leon is actually a human being with genuine feelings, or Stephen Colbert's over the top satirical conservative character personality from the Colbert Report. Maybe we're all just missing the sarcasm here."

I assure you I am a genuine human being.

"So white antigovernment extremists are a far bigger threat than Muslim extremists"

Where do you get that white mass shooters are antigovernment extremists?

"the US government is busy killing or helping to kill Muslims by the thousands around the world"

I oppose the Iraq War, and so did Trump.

"we should scapegoat Muslims for gun violence in America."

This particular individual wasn't even angry at US aggression. He just hated gays.

"If it were black people who committed as much mass shootings as white antigovernment extremists you'd want them all locked up."

"If it were black people who committed as much mass shootings as white antigovernment extremists you'd want them all locked up."

Black people who commit mass shootings tend to be the result of gang violence.
leon1122 (190 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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"Would you say that 100% of the population are gun-toting murderers?
Because 100% of mass shooters are gun-toting murderers."

I would say that 100% of gun-toting murderers are gun-toting.
Durga (3609 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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"I assure you I am a genuine human being."

Damn, that's *exactly* what a satirical robot would say...
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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"He just hated gays."

Why are you calling him a jihadist then?

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Where do you get that white mass shooters are antigovernment extremists?"

From your own link that you provided. This is the source of your graph.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

" A survey to be published this week asked 382 police and sheriff’s departments nationwide to rank the three biggest threats from violent extremism in their jurisdiction. About 74 percent listed antigovernment violence, while 39 percent listed “Al Qaeda-inspired” violence, according to the researchers, Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina and David Schanzer of Duke University."

SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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Holy shit dude. this guy, WHO WAS ON A FUCKING TERRORIST WATCH LIST legally, yes, LEGALLY purchased a FUCKING ASSAULT RIFLE (but how long ago?) A FEW DAYS AGO. This is EXACTLY the scenario that those awful liberals have been warning you mass shooting supporters of (that's what you are mass shooting supporters). Instead of regulating gun purchases though, I'm sure you good people will advocate locking up or surveying millions of innocents based on their race. Infuriating.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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@Santa: Don't you agree with Leon that people on terrorist watch lists have a legitimate right to arm themselves to make sure that President Obama doesn't violate the Constitution?
brainbomb (290 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
Yea can you imagine if a white guy ever does a mass shooting how fast republicans will have no choice but to finally condemn guns instead of the perpetrator?
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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No, don't you remember Charleston? They couldn't even bring themselves to call it a hate crime, let alone terrorism. The police even made sure he had lunch.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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According to his wife the shooter wasn't religious and he photo'd himself a lot with cop shirts on. I guess we should round up all wannabe cops and/or security guards.
Octavious (2701 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the wife probably didn't know her husband as well as she thought she did.
Durga (3609 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
Lol what
Octavious (2701 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
Just thought that it was worth pointing out that, as she failed to pick up on the mass murdering lunatic aspect of his character, it is highly likely she didn't pick up on other things too.
leon1122 (190 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
I don't have time to respond to all this BS, but it turns out that the shooter, like most others, was a Democrat. I think the solution is to ban Democrats from buying guns.
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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How about we make it impossible for someone on the TERRORIST WATCH LIST to LEGALLY PURCHASE a FUCKING ASSAULT RIFLE. Leon, you didn't post when I was here, but it didn't take long to notice that you are a fucking twit.
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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I mean how fucking stupid are you
Peregrine Falcon (9010 D(S))
12 Jun 16 UTC
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"I think the US would have been better off going the Canada route."
Me too Leon. Then they would be more liberal, have free healthcare, and not have access to so many freaking stupid guns.

"I think the solution is to ban Democrats from buying guns."
I again agree Leon. While we're at it, let's ban everyone else from buying guns too.

Leon, according to your source from earlier, 97% of all mass shootings have been perpetrated by men. Clearly, men are the issue. We should deport all men and ban all men from entering the country, because it's clearly the male gender that is the issue here.
(The source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0)
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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"Just thought that it was worth pointing out that, as she failed to pick up on the mass murdering lunatic aspect of his character, it is highly likely she didn't pick up on other things too."

Oh good. Now I'm made aware that religion is something you can be at night time when your family isn't around, like Batman. That whole business of praying 5 times a day and fasting is something that can be easily done in hiding, obviously.

The argument whether he did this because he was homophobic or because he was radicalized islamist is pointless and stupid. Both likely contributed to the other. The GUN is what gave him the power to easily and stealthily prepare to kill 50 people.
I should say easy and legal access to the gun.
KingCyrus (511 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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This is of course awful, and should be approached carefully by all side. But it seems there is a certain amount of misinformation floating around in this thread. Firstly, an "assault rifle" when talked about in this sense, is not, I repeat NOT an automatic weapon. You pull the trigger once, one bullet comes out. Automatic weapons have been banned in the USA to all but a highly select few for nearly a century. I do not personally own an AR-15 (one of the type of weapons reportedly used in the shooting) but have fired them and they are tactically no different than any other semiautomatic weapon. The term "assault rifle" has nothing to do with the lethality of the weapon but more about the "other stuff" such as flash suppressors, folding stock, or pistol grip. Assault rifles aren't even the most dangerous type of firearm, and actually more people are killed in the US by blunt objects than assault rifles.

As to high capacity magazines, a lack of these would not slow an avid marksman. It takes less than a few seconds to change a magazine for someone who knows what they are doing, so the difference between two 10 round magazines ("low capacity" by most laws) and one 20 round magazine ("high capacity") is a matter of five seconds.

Next, ISIS has claimed responsibility and the shooter reportedly pledged allegiance to ISIS on the telephone, so we don't know whether this was any sort of organized attack or whether it was random. I don’t know if or how that changes this, but at least it sheds some light.

Next let’s talk numbers. According to the Congressional Research Service there are a little bit more than 300 million guns in the USA. In 2014 (most recent crime report from FBI) there were roughly 8.6 thousand firearm murders in the USA. Now, that makes it less than .00003% of all guns that actually kill people! And that is EXTREMELY generous, seeing as that assumes 1 gun per death, as opposed to 1 gun/multiple deaths.

I see different sides of the same coin in multiple people on this thread. On one hand we have, "guns are evil" and on the other "Muslims are evil." Are either correct? No. I have guns yet I think some changes need to happen. But on the other hand, STATISTICALLY SPEAKING, if you assume 1.6 bil Muslims in the world, and 106,000 members of extremist groups (found that on CNN, hardly a conservative bastion), the percentage of Muslims who are extremists in the world is over 2X the number of guns in the USA that commit murder. But in no way do I think Muslims are "evil." Hell, I've got friends and relatives who are Muslim.

Lastly, regardless of perception, gun related deaths have significantly fallen over the last twenty years. This is in spite of more guns. We also see other countries (I'm looking at you Switzerland) that have high gun ownership rates with low murder counts. The problem is not that there are guns but WHO has them. Now, don’t get me wrong, 1 gun death is too many. And it is good that we are more in touch with what happens. But don’t let the media convince you that *suddenly* the world is ending because of guns.

Something that I've really come to realize over the past year thanks to my time at college is how much alike we are, regardless of our political, philosophical, or religious stances. I was raised in a very conservative home and was fairly isolated in that conservatism among my friends and family. Somehow I developed this sort of unspoken idea that there were lines drawn in the sand. Somehow, I didn't really expect to meet as nice of people as I did who disagreed with me. No one had ever said that sort of thing, but it was an underlying expectation. However, I found that to be radically wrong. I don't think anyone on this site is that far off in what they want, deep down. We want peace, harmony - whatever you call it. No one on this site wanted that shooting to happen. But it did. We all want this problem to go away. We just disagree on how to do it. Sure, some of us may seem a tad crazy at times, but I don't generally think anyone on this site is an awful human being. So relax a little and remember it isn't conservatives vs liberals or any other sort of "us vs. them." It's us vs. hunger/sickness/murder/rape/global warming/whatever. (Kumbaya over)
"The term "assault rifle" has nothing to do with the lethality of the weapon but more about the "other stuff" such as flash suppressors, folding stock, or pistol grip"

Wait, so the flash suppressors folding stock, pistol grip and folding stock aren't meant to make a gun more lethal? Idiot
brainbomb (290 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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Add bloodthirtsy gun boner loving kingcyrus to my muted list. thank you for a gun loving gun praising douchebag infested rant for us to digest amidst a mass slaughter!

fucking douchebags
KingCyrus (511 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
Pleas tell me how a flash suppressor and a folding stock helped the Orlando shooter.
KingCyrus (511 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
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Brainbomb, if you have any constructive criticism, or anywhere I was wrong, please point them out.
Clausowitz, those are actually mainly used to render it easier to operate, rather than directly making it easier to kill people.

KC, assault rifles in general are indeed automatic weapons. In the US, there's some confusion. What you described are "assault weapons," which oddly are not the same thing as assault rifles. The articles I've found do say assault rifles.

Brainbomb, I thought KC's argument was actually very well reasoned, and organized. I don't think it's fair to call him "bloodthirtsy gun boner loving."

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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
14 Jun 16 UTC
Classic Game LF5M
A user has asked me to advertise their anonymous game which includes two coworkers.
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brainbomb (290 D)
14 Jun 16 UTC
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Glass Eating: What is your favorite glass eating experience?
Im looking to get into competitive glass eating. Was wondering if anyone on webdip has done this and what the best venues are for glass eating.
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rm63 (100 D)
13 Jun 16 UTC
NEW ENGLAND PLAYER WANTED FOR WWI TEAM GAME!
England has gone into civil disorder so we need a new English player. This is a team game where the allies (Britain, France and Russia) fight the axis (Germany, Austria and Turkey).. England has missed a couple of phases but is still in a good position. The game ID is 179879. It is called "World War One team game". The password for the game is "shellshock". Once you have joined have a look at the other thread on the forum called "WWI team game" to get familiar with the rules.
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MKECharlie (2074 D(G))
14 Jun 16 UTC
Fencing: What is your favorite weapon, and why?
Also, if you're American, did you vote in the recent USFA election? Do you think it'll have any affect on the tournament selection process in the New Jersey division?
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JEccles (421 D)
14 Jun 16 UTC
New Classic Game
Just started this up. 50 point buy in, anon, 1 day phases.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=180213
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c0dyz (100 D)
14 Jun 16 UTC
Farewell
Farewell kind folk. Summer approaches and my school friends and I will depart from the merry making until next year.
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principians (881 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
There are muslim creationists too
An I found very funny that they deny the big bang too https://www.scienceislam.com/pdf/Big_Bang.pdf
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
Sanders voters disenfranchied in California
Anyone in the US know how accurate this report is?

http://www.gregpalast.com/california-stolen-sanders-right-nowspecial-bulletin-greg-palast/
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rm63 (100 D)
06 Jun 16 UTC
New World War I team game - played as 2 teams. Starting soon!
I've been wanting to do this for a long time. I'm not sure if it's been done before. Apologies if it's already been done. I've created a game called "WWI team game" and the idea is that we will recreate world war one by playing the game as 2 teams; the triple alliance consisting of Austria, Germany and turkey and the triple entente consisting of England, France and Russia.
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brainbomb (290 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
College World Series
Starts June 18th. Definetely as far as atmosphere it is among the finest sports events in the country every year. And its right here in Omaha.
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ssorenn (0 DX)
09 Jun 16 UTC
3 game gunboat tourney
post here or PM me if interested
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SLOTerp (100 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
NWO: Mushroom clouds forecasted in coming year.
The NWO game at Redscape is about to get a bit radioactive. If you haven't seen or played this massive variant, take a look. The GM and a few players put out some high quality press as well.
http://www.redscape.com/viewforum.php?f=141
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Musoeun (133 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
(Poll) How Many Draws Equal a Solo
I'm working on a project (may submit it to a zine, may just be for my own amusement) and I'm trying to find out what various Diplomacy communities view as the relationship in accomplishment between draws and solo victories.
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Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
09 Jun 16 UTC
Revisiting the Key Lepanto that works
I want to see a game where it actually worked.
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brainbomb (290 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
Stanford Rapist
Ok can someone who understands law explain to me how this guy got off so easy?
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VirtualBob (209 D)
09 Jun 16 UTC
Ghost Forecast?
Just wondering.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
10 Jun 16 UTC
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Pet Peeves
It's pouring, the parking lot is flooding, and they just turned on the sprinklers for irrigation.
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
08 Jun 16 UTC
Looking through some old games...
and I noticed that there was some feature called "All survivors win" from a game in 2010, why doesn't that exist anymore, why are there no units, and what are the rules?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
09 Jun 16 UTC
quality game
gameID=179917

PM for PW
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
27 May 16 UTC
Gen. Lee to host 2016 Confederate Grand Ball
Invitation inside.
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
I know I did this before...
and that this is a forum on a webdiplomacy site that is meant for people to talk about random non-diplomacy based things, but what's everyone's favourite country?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
08 Jun 16 UTC
Mel Carnahan 2016
They did it once, we can do it again!

#StillWithMel #RatherVoteForTheDeadGuy
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pauldocument (0 DX)
08 Jun 16 UTC
Buy real and fake Passport ,Visa,Driving License,ID
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license,diplomas,degrees,certificates service available. Tourist and
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peterlund (1310 D(G))
05 Jun 16 UTC
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Likes and Liked question
On my profile it says "Likes: 1 / Liked: 29" but I do not know what that means. I did not find anything about it in the help/FAQ pages either. How does it work? How do I like another account?
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Bertson95 (119 D)
03 Jun 16 UTC
Any suggests for a new player?
I've plaied something like 10 games and i'm not sure my way of playing is good.

Any suggests for improving?
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
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Daily Bible Verses
Look, buddy - this is the word of the Lord.

http://the-toast.net/2016/06/06/bible-verses-where-behold-has-been-replaced-with-look-buddy/
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