@y2k ... yeah, this doesn't even feel like mafia.

Really? Catch your eye in what way? As being mafia? As being in a cult?

Day 1 is interesting in most games because you have something to discuss and the vast majority of players have the same interests. Lynch scum. So you can have coherent arguments discussing who you think is scum, and people stand out for being less sincere. Here, what are we going to have a coherent argument about? If I am on the mafia team, what should I pretend to be in order to avoid suspicion? If I am a Town PR, what should I pretend to be in order to avoid suspicion? If I want someone lynched because I suspect them of being on some faction other than mine, what argument should I provide?

The only thing I can think of to rally a following is our mutual interest in not being ourselves the target of the Day 1 lynch. So, let's hammer the last to post, survive Day 1, and see what comes next.

@y2k, we the vanilla mafia want town to die. if we are on the brink of a mislynch our own PR can claim just as if it was town. as long as it isnt the ninja it isnt a disaster. We should be hunting for people who seem to be contrarians to discussion and naysayers of viable strategy.
I for one would like to get a mason or a cultist D1 so that way the entire rest of the game the cult "must" vote and risks hitting mason, or the mason must vote and risk hitting maf. Either way its a win win for us if we hit a cult or mason.

Explain Bo. Are you just picking me arbitrarily? Are you picking me because you don't like me? Are you picking me because it advances your win condition? Why should others vote for me?

There really are not satisfactory responses to any of these questions (unless you are picking me because you don't like me). That is why I suggest we hammer day 1.

People trying to stifle discussion catches my eye as scummy. I don't know what a cult looks like on webDip; I've only seen it in short games. My guess is that they'll be fairly similar to what mafia typically is, looking to hide and deceive because their game depends on their personal survival. They'll also be wary of certain people (the masons). That's something to look for. ##CALL GM - if the two cult leaders die, the cult loses, correct?

Can you explain the profile of a Cult Leader or Mason on this D1? I agree that it would be great to lynch either, but I have no idea what I'm hunting for.

"There really are not satisfactory responses to any of these questions"

That's bullshit. You should know a thing or two about reactions. I'm not building cases, I'm building gut feelings. Cases will come later.

Your idea to hammer day 1 has merit because there's so many mafia . That said, I don't want to get traitors - they're useless. I want to get the mafia PRs and cultists.

@brainbomb, to understand ghug's vote, you need to read the press of gameID=166960

The cultists will probably hide. They're weak right now. They're stronger once they start converting people. I don't know how I would play if I were a mason.

i imagine the cult leaders and masons will be doing what they can to avoid any interactions, but that will be very hard to detect D1, multiple days of evidence would be needed. unlike in standard mafia, the incentive to bus anyone is fairly diminished.

avoid any interactions *among themselves*

Read the opening post again. Traitors are sided with mafia.

I think a cult leader structure would contain two of the following. A lurker and a talker. the Lurker would fulfil the modkill minimums by voting someone, perhaps a bus even on their partner and then disappaear.

The other cult leader who is likely trying harder to seem credible would offer up a case for why we cant possibly know how to play, or what to expect, and try to throw any doubt off themself with nonsense.

The same strat applies to Masons. Either one of those 4 roles would try like hell to avoid getting a wagon on themself or their partner. But if their partner gains momentum a newer player may crack under intense pressure.

An argument could be made for pressuring xorxes and seeing if ghug just bussed his partner. ghugs vote felt alot like how Prado tunnelled me last game.

....did bo just town slip?

##GM NOTE: If both Cult Leaders die, the rest of the Cult dies as well.

OMG.

##end

We have no idea what we're talking about.

Like, statistically speaking the mafia are the majority, and their current win condition is to kill the other parties (town and cult). As such, a bo lynch may be in order.

It's clear that if we are not banking on being turned, the cult leaders and the masons should be our first lynch priority. The only doubt about it is if we think we will be turned.

@xorxes I caution you not to reference out of game sources for reasons of why people do what they do in mafia. You may very well be ignoring a tunnel on yourself. and based on your reaction I rescind my assumption this was a bus. ghug might just be being ghug here. He was this way last game with Vecna for a while, and flum, and me. too early to tell on either of you.

Did I just townslip Vashta? You tell me.

y2k, what I'm looking for D1 is whether or not people know something about others that they shouldn't know. It will definitely take slips to find the mafia PRs in particular.

The problem I have with this setup is that the traitors are basically VTs as far as their behavior goes. They're mafia, but they don't know who else is mafia. Maybe that means they'll just sit back and see how things develop rather than coming out aggressively. I really don't know, nothing makes perfect sense for that role.

@everyone, lets be patient with scum accidentally referring to scum as the bad guys, and town being a term we throw out there as if they are good. this setup is gonna take some time to adjust to. Our terminology faux pas' should not be the focus here.

"Traitor: You are a Traitor! You are a government employee in the U.S. government working with the FBI. However, you have forsaken your duty and obligations to the people of the United States for the promises of greater power by the syndicate and thus work towards their goals. You do not have access to the mafia qt. During the day you may make an accusation against someone; the candidate which reaches a plurality will be executed at the end of the day. You win with the mafia and once the cult and town have been eliminated."

Yes, Bo just townslipped. Only a townie would be trying to lynch Cult/Mafia. Everyone else is also trying to lynch the Town PRs. There is no reason for Bo to fake a townslip, as town is in the minority.

Hence, ##voteBo

I doubt we find a better reason to cast a vote all day.

Also, I know what happen when both cult leaders die, what happens when the orginal two masons die?

Thank you Prado.

Vashta, that's why I said that this game is ridiculously mafia-sided in the pregame thread. Mafia can coordinate against townreads and they have no incentive to hide their intentions.

Also, by the way, ##VOTE Vashta.

bo....the traitors win if "MAFIA" wins. the town wins if Mafia is dead and cult is dead. you keep referring to finding the Mafia PR's as if they arent on your side..

you want them to be on your side in this setup. I think its a terminology issue, not an admission of guilt. these votes on you are idiotic.

Yes, the traitors need the mafia PRs alive. The people who are voting for me off of a townslip clearly drew the traitor role.

I am a traitor....and anyone who claims to be anything else can go ahead and drive off a cliff...

In other words, bo is one of 5 town players. This probably gives the 14 people belonging to other groups an incentive to ##votebo.

##Vote bo.