@Wjessop: I've been replying to you, but I am glad you pointed that out. It is an anchor.

@ND: You were able to reply to me and Espi at the same time.

If you can do this, you could have easily asked a question to captainmeme as well.

It's weird that you didn't do this.

Yes very weird that I was replying to you and missed his one post.

@wjessop so far I see ND trying to make sure he fully understands the points people are trying to make early game, a concept I agree with. I will read more into it and I apologize for the joyfully lynch comment, that was more a phrase then an actual desire. I do not like mistakenly lynching town, it brings me no joy. Although I do have a small grudge against ND and some others I am doing my best not to involve that in this game. Luckily Live games gave me some way to burn the grudge away.

Both NDs posts and yours are odd right now in my opinion, but I am wanting to think that it is more the work of Town trying to figure the game out then Scum who already know everything aside from the Cop identity.

@ND: Yes, indeed, you're normally extremely precise about catching everything.

@Espi: Don't hold grudges -- resentment is like drinking poison and hoping it will hurt your enemies. Mandela.

@Wjessop:

"@ND: Yes, indeed, you're normally extremely precise about catching everything."

As I have stated in the past.. sarcasm is hard to detect over the internet, but my post: "Yes very weird that I was replying to you and missed his one post." was meant to be sarcastic.

@ND and wjessop, the 3 of us are all on right now, and the 3 of us all have different experience levels. Is it possible that we try and work as a team to find the rest of the scum? I am really reading you both as Town right now and don't want to approach this as a 1 person vs everyone sort of thing. There are only 3 Mafia out there, we outnumber them, but they have a method to work directly together that we currently lack.

@wjessop don't worry, it is more of a playful thing then anything. I am happy to win in a game against them, but just as happy to win a game with them, them being my grudges.

As a note about my above post, I have no intentions to stop looking into your actions to see if either of you is actually scum, but I think working together is in our best interests. Neither do I think that either of you should ever fully town read me, from your perspective, just as from mine, we can not tell who anyone is aside from our self.

BTW Espi, what changed your mind regarding cop fakeclaims from M11?

Initial thoughts are that Espi is scum and this ND/wj argument is probably town on town.

The Espi part is obvious, and others have already called it out: he's being overly friendly, seemingly trying to buddy with everyone, and his writing all seems very meticulously planned, which is usually scummy. ##VOTE Espi

I think wj is town because the argument he's gotten into with ND is actually substantive, even if I disagree with the point he's making. Scum wj would be more needlessly inflammatory.

I disagree with his assessment of ND because this is entirely ND's MO. He's calling people out over stupid shit, not understanding jokes, and turning posts into giant masturbatory rants about how great he is (especially humorous given how awful he is at this game).

Yoyo gets a secondary scumread for acting as if my meme vote was serious and comparing it to his last game despite the fact that the suspicious thing with Yoyo last game was how out of place his attack on meme was, whereas I always attack meme.

Tertiary scumread goes to meme for being a fuckboy.

@DL I can't remember my stance on cop fake claims from back then. I know a fake claim got me killed last game but that was scum setup. I also am not completely new to mafia as I was then so a lot has changed. If you would like to find what I said back then I would be more then happy to make a comment on that, however I think that distracts from the matter currently at hand.

Find the REST of the scum, Espi? What do you mean by rest?

@Ghug:

"I disagree with his assessment of ND because this is entirely ND's MO. He's calling people out over stupid shit, not understanding jokes, and turning posts into giant masturbatory rants about how great he is (especially humorous given how awful he is at this game). "

I have no words for this.

@ghug: That's a really clever spot. It's a very odd turn of phrase for Espi to use if he was town.

Quote Espi: "Is it possible that we try and work as a team to find the rest of the scum? I am really reading you both as Town right now and don't want to approach this as a 1 person vs everyone sort of thing."

@Espi: Why did you phrase it that you wanted to find "the rest of the scum" ?

Ok I know this is an anchor but I have to go. It's local elections today and I have a vested interest. I will check back in later with more thoughts and observations.

@ghug I did say that I was trying to become a better mafia player, by making more concise posts as I have been trying to do. I saw the mess that y2ks posts made last game and how much that compared to my first game, I do not wish to make that same mistake although I must admit, I am talkative. Obviously I have a lot to work on as observed by the comments already made in this game about my posting. If you see my posting as meticulously planned, I would love to switch places with you and attain that point of view because I sure as hell don't see it. I am already embarrassed by the mistakes I am making.

Could you tell me where I said the REST of the scum, so that I might respond to that post. Asking me a question with no reference point doesn't allow me to fully answer the question ghug. More then likely it was a phrase, just like my saying joyfully lynch.

^^ Classic scum ND.

He did this last game when he kept having "to go to class".

Espi quote; "Could you tell me where I said the REST of the scum"

@Epsi: This is the second instance of you playing dumb. You literally said "rest of the scum" less than 10 minutes ago.

Ahh now I see it. That REST statement was just a phrase, although if you wish for me to try and assign deeper meaning to I, I could try? I honestly have no idea, I probably got in the habit of saying it during live games, or I could be wrong again so I will stick with the no idea.

"I have no words for this."

Now that doesn't sound like ND at all.

@wjessop it is Espi not Epsi. Do you read over every single word you type and remember it? I don't. I am trying to get an overall idea about what is going on and take notes to reference later, individual words don't matter as much to me right now, so my playing dumb is my being dumb.

What was the first instance?

Espi quote: "so I will stick with the no idea."


That's the explanation you're sticking with is, is it?

Primary scum read is ghug for thinking that my first vote was actually serious :P

Espi quote: "@wjessop it is Espi not Epsi. Do you read over every single word you type and remember it? I don't. I am trying to get an overall idea about what is going on and take notes to reference later, individual words don't matter as much to me right now, so my playing dumb is my being dumb.

What was the first instance?"

1. I hope you're being intentionally ironic there, rather than hypocritical -- to be picky about one misspelling of your name while also suggesting that "individual words don't matter to me".

2. The first instance was your weird baseless claim that Vecna had played mafia here before.

@wjessop you have already called me out on mixing up vecna so yes, that is the explanation I am sticking to, that and everything else I have already said on the matter.

@wjessop my name is my name, and people constantly misspell it, M11, M13 and now. I have always made a post about that so I will continue posting about it until it doesn't happen anymore, that is one thing atleast that I recall.

AHHH crossposting madness.

What do you mean "just a phrase"? Rest has a clear meaning. Why did you use that word?

@Epsy: Get over it. People call me all sorts all the time.

In the words of Alyssa Edwards, get a grip, get a life, and get over it :)