In 2004, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) clarified the guidelines for participation for transgender athletes. The IOC rule states that participation is based on sex, and those wishing to compete against athletes not of their birth sex are required to undergo sex reassignment surgery along with two years of either testosterone suppression or testosterone supplementation.

@wjessop ... yes, she should, but there is no way in hell you're going to convince parents of that.

Yeah my high school locker room had 0 private areas, it was essentially an open room with the showers in another room separated by an doorless corridor. I suppose the only private spaces were the actual lockers, which are about a foot and half wide.

@Yal ... the IOC has been openly transphobic for a long time. They're total pricks.

PLease get a grip.

We're talking about school children not the Olympics.

The Olympics is for trained athletes at the height of their careers.

Get back to us when the Olympics starts featuring school children and teenagers experiencing puberty and still learning about themselves.

@bo: ok I'm glad to read you say that; I thought you were arguing otherwise.

I agree with you re parents; if you clarify to say good luck convincing "all" parents.

But headteachers are there to protect all their students; parents can put their children in other schools if they feel strongly.

If these were angry parents demanding black girls go in seperate box cubicles no one would toletate it.

And we'll get to the same point someday with transitioning students, but today isn't that day.

Yes, Lila's parents are free to start a private school with gender-based locker rooms wjessop.

My view is that We don't get to that day by pandering to intolerance.

Do wjessop - are you a nudist by chance? Or just a voyeur?

You seem hell bent on ths childish notion that everyone absolutely MUST be 100% comfortable around naked people of the opposite sex, and that discomfort around nakedness is morally wrong, verging on criminal.

So...which are you, a nudist or a pervert voyeur that your idea of a perfect world is an absolute lack of modesty?

@Yaleunc: I missed your earlier point but, on brief:

I'm not "assuming lockers should be gender-based", that's you interpreting me and putting words into my mouth.

If she's transitioning to be female sexually then she should be in the female lockers.

Whenever you do anything there exist various parameters that you must work within. I assume everyone knows what these parameters are (what can you wear, how can you act, various other things that are publicly accepted and that are not) and these benefit some people and don't benefit others. That is a known fact, but you can always work to change something that doesn't benefit you into something that does. Anyone that stands out based on such things, can't always help standing out, but they are standing out. Sadly we have to accept that we either stand out or work our hardest not to.

What do we know about Lila's situation? She has a private option, some girls are taking offensive to her being in the same dressing room as them. We don't know how the guys react or more about how she feels about the situation, all variables we need to accurately judge what is the better option. From all we know, the private option is ideal as there is less of a risk to her of being bullied (bullying sadly is a fact, something we can work to stop but something that has not yet been stopped) and less worry of legal action that she is now involved in, which takes away time that she could be studying, interacting with peers or trying to educate those around her on her situation.

From what I understand of the Article, Lila dropped out of the PE class so she wouldn't have to worry about changing, she wants to start a dialogue to inform others and is generally working to improve her own situation. Let her.

Also some clarification, the private areas I meant were the corners or more isolated areas. You may not always find them but the shy students tend to take them over, in my experience anyway, which I understand may not be universal.

I didn't ask you to stop speaking out, wjessop. Obviously, you should speak out as much because the people commenting on this case are in many instances transphobic and that alone is an issue. If this school didn't offer her a private changing area, I'd be right alongside you, but considering the negative circumstances Lila would face in her gender's changing area and the fact that I don't think it's fair to force a high school girl to see a penis because it is still widely recognized as the male gender's genitalia rather than the male sex's genitalia as it should be, I think that offering her access to a private changing area is a great compromise given where we are at.

I hope that we're at the beginning of the end of the LGBTQ civil rights era, but when it comes to the B and T, it sometimes feels like we are only at the start.

What are you even talking about nudity for?

From my own British experience, It's extremely rare for school children to be "getting naked" in the changing room -- so your insistence on this as a way to deny this girl a place in the girls changing room bevause her penis hasn't been transformed into a vagina is petty and neanderthal-like..

@Bo: I'm just saying its extremely unlikely that they would ever see her person; it'd be such an abhorrent, embarrassing mistake of a body part.

What do you all expect, that she'll be flailing it around the locker room like a windmill?
Get a grip. Get a life. And get over it.

"You seem hell bent on ths childish notion that everyone absolutely MUST be 100% comfortable around naked people of the opposite sex, and that discomfort around nakedness is morally wrong, verging on criminal."

You shouldn't have an issue with nakedness. Penises, vaginas, and butts are not secrets. We all know they're there. People need to get over the fact that some aren't as pretty as others.

(That last part not to you bo; to the others who are being narrow about this).

In the US, you get butt naked in the locker rooms. You change your clothes for PE in particular all the way down to your underwear. I guess I don't know what girls do, but I imagine they do too.

Yeah, I got that.

I don't know, though, in middle school I basically flailed it around like a windmill...

@wjessop Sadly this isn't something that people are over yet, until it is over, it will continue to be a struggle. Lila can't change it but it is an fact of life she has to work around.

Krellin is just being a Devil's advocate here, nothing more.

As if he's thar prudish? He could just as easily argue against the body fascists telling everyone to wear clothes --> :
" it's JUST a human fuckin' body; it's skin and bone; what's wrong with you nub-brains!?!? "

@bo: "all the way down to your underwear"

That's not naked then.

Yeah, when you boil it down, clothes are pointless. Nowadays, the point of clothing is to objectify, not to cover up anyway.

Sorry, wjessop, I misspoke. We had a pair of underwear we would change into for gym each day. We changed everything. I guess I don't necessarily know what most people do but I in the three schools where I used locker rooms for gym and sports, it was always that way.

No wjessop - you are ratherc fixated on the Norton that nobody should be offended by makes bodies of the opposite sex. In MY high school, people are not filthy (like Brits, I guess?) And we actually got naked and showered after sports and glass.

You are a pathetic selfish ideologue who denies reality in the name of some FALSE version of equality, which in fact is not even close to being equal treatment for anyone.

Thus....I suspect you are just a nudist or a voyuer wishing the world would become your perverse naked Paradise

I think it is amusingly ironic that Krellin is pretending to care about the rights, interests, or safety of young girls when not that long ago, he used to post on this forum about how he used to jerk off while spying on his neighbour's teenage daughters.

Missed that bit, it seems.

I must have missed that bit, too. But Jamie never has been one much to dwell in the land of truth.

That being said, he also had never been one much to respect morality and social norms, generally choosing deviancy over modesty... The general mating call of the Left