Actually I am sry but do you think we can pick this up tomorrow? I have dinner waiting

Your name is texas.freaking.tough.

I think I'll take my chances :P

No, you idiot. Saddam Hussein and his government were Ba'athists, who were secular socialist nationalists. His regime was despised by "radicals" like Khomeini, and even Osama bin Laden (who offered to lead his Afghan mujahideen against Saddam in the service of the Saudis after the invasion of Kuwait). Iraq, like 99% of all the countries on the earth, had no relations with the Taliban in the '90s.

I understand. Gotta gobble up them grits while they're sizzling. Call up Mary-Sue and have her fetch some water now.

Seriously though, the great debates take a long time to organize. You have time.

@ Texas Pete:

Ohmyfreakinggod.... Did you actually just describe Saddam Hussein as "pro-Taliban" and "a radical Islamic leader" ??

Wow. That level of ignorance is something special.

We are in Afghanistan with cause. Iraq was a BS cluster.

But diehard libertarians will never support any war because it doesn't support the cause of the super rich who all libertarians have dedicated their lives to through their profound idiocy.

How about we also remember to honor the people who are not from just our nation who have fought to protect the weak and keep the peace all over the world...

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"The International Day of United Nations Peacekeepers, which is commemorated each year on the 29th of May, is an occasion to salute the more than 111,000 peacekeepers serving in 16 missions in some of the world’s most volatile and dangerous environments. This Day is also a time to mourn fallen peacekeepers. During its history, more than 3,200 “Blue Helmets” have died devoting their lives to peace, including 106 men and women in 2013.

In the words of the Secretary-General: “Let us all commit to following the selfless example of our fallen heroes, as we work together to help our blue helmets be a force for peace, a force for change, and a force for the future.”

Currently, UN Peacekeeping operations receive contributions of military and police personnel from 122 Member States. This impressive number reflects strong global confidence in the value of United Nations Peacekeeping as a tool for collective security.

To mark the Day at UN Headquarters, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon will participate in a wreath-laying ceremony at 10:00 a.m. At 10:30 a.m., the Secretary-General will preside over a ceremony at which the Dag Hammarskjöld Medal will be awarded posthumously to the military, police and civilian personnel who lost their lives while serving in peacekeeping operations in 2011. The Under-Secretary-General for Peacekeeping Operations, Mr. Herve Ladsous, and the Under-Secretary General for Field Support will hold a press conference at 12:00."

TexasDouche-
“haha are you sure you know yours Yellowjacket? and I am more of a Robert E. Lee myself who defeated Sherman and any army that was similar in arms and men”

R.E. Lee never defeated Sherman… They never even fought…

“and yes there has been much reduced terrorism and the reason you had those numbers was because in 2000 Saddam Hussein, a pro-Taliban leader, was in power. Why would they have bombed a country that they were in control of? and now we are there and that is why the bombings have begun. Anything else I can explain to you?”

Saddam Hussein was not pro Taliban…

“Let me rephrase, people like Yellowjacket are in power and that is why we are failing as a nation. Obama is exactly like Yellowjacket. A blind pacifist that will not stand up to evil forces”

Barrack Obama is not a pacifist

“[Saddam] was a radical Islamic leader”

No he wasn’t, his parents were Islamic and he was a leader.

“Just as I said before can't out reason me so he must out insult me haha “

You are not using reason



Doltstoy-

“Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany had no interest (or capability) in taking Americans' freedoms away, Draug. The last time American soldiers died fighting for the freedom of American citizens against a foreign invader, it was 1815 and Andrew Jackson's backwoods militiamen were slaughtering redcoats outside of New Orleans.”

If you are going to count defending an American territory populated by French speakers that had not been an American possession for ten years as defending “American citizen from foreign invaders” perhaps the thousands that died in Hawaii, and the 1.5 k that died in the Aleutan islands fighting Japanese ground forces.

“And after Hawaii, there are no islands for the Japanese to take for 3,000 miles until they hit the west coast.”

Assuming Hawaii somehow counts less as America as 1815 New Orleans in your calculus. Forget about the aforementioned Aleutin islands. But, of course, countering Draugsnore’s asinine contention, the Japanese war aim was to draw the US into a port Aurthuresque grande naval engagement in Asia and destroy American power in the pacific not invade America. Saying that Japanese control over the pacific (If the Japanese plan had a chance of succeeding) would not affect American liberties, however, is a bit much.

"How about we also remember to honor the people who are not from just our nation who have fought to protect the weak and keep the peace all over the world..."

Same reason we don't celebrate even the allies who died side by side with our troops, because its a NATIONAL holiday you dipshit.

Full disclosure, the battle I was thinking of was Tsushima not Port Arthur, Russo-Japanese fail

Read Thucy's whole post, AuntyClausowitz. The International Day of UN Peacekeepers is an INTERNATIONAL event, you dipshit.

Well Jamiett, we are in a Memorial day thread, on memorial day (today is the 26), and by Thucy's typical ass hatted hollier than thou post, "How about we..." I took that to mean that he was, as usual, whining that we are not paying attention to the folks he wants us to pay attention to. If for example he said "remember in 3 days its international memorial day!" fine. But he didn't, he just had to be his usual ass hatted self. If I misread the post due to Thucy's usual whine fests I apologize. Until then I call you, sir, a dipshit, and double down on calling thucy one.

why did yj mention me???

@ AuntyClauseowitz:

I refuse to be called a dipshit by anyone who doesn't know what day it is. Today is 27th May. At the time you posted, there was literally nowhere on earth that it was still 26th May.

I mean I acknowledge that apparently, in Texas, to judge by another contributor to this thread, the 21st Century hasn't begun yet, but that's another story...

@SD trying to figure out who runs the great debates

@yj, confused still but it doesn't matter!

I like how Santa read apparently read all of three words of my post and then formed a judgment of what I was going to say lmao.

And anyway I was responding to the tone of the OP - maybe some feel with some justification that American troops have been used as sort of storm troopers in the world, maybe some of those same people feel America was illegitimate to get involved in international affairs. So I provided an alternative - the military force that is by definition involved in international affairs and has ever legitimate reason to be, and which, incidentally, we support materially and symbolically far less than our fair share.

Oh and lest we forget, let's all pause to remember that Memorial Day began when newly freed blacks dug up a mass grave of Union soldiers killed by rebels, who then held the first Memorial Day observances as a gesture of thanks that they gave their lives for their freedom.

In spite of this I'm sure that somewhere in my Texas homeland, a confederate sympathizer is honoring one of their war dead - an anti-American pro-slavery shock troop. Amazing

"I refuse to be called a dipshit by anyone who doesn't know what day it is. Today is 27th May. At the time you posted, there was literally nowhere on earth that it was still 26th May."

Jamiet- I will whole heartedly call anyone a dip shit that doesn't understand the concept of time zones and that when one person lives on May 27 the other can magically live in May 26. And, dip shit, despite your shit eating assured statemen, there is this magical place,a veritable Brigadoon, where it was the 26 of May, which happens to be a string of volcanic islands in the middle of the pacific that form an American state. In this never-never land it was 11:42 PM on May 26. And May 26 was memorial day. Dip shit.

" like how Santa read apparently read all of three words of my post and then formed a judgment of what I was going to say lmao."

I LOVE how I read more than three words but I only posted three from memory and Thucy assumes that I well, made an assumption, how about I complete your ass hatted sentence...

"How about we also remember to honor the people who are not from just our nation"

Yep typical Thucy ass hattery treating the board like provincial knuckle draggers because we don't recognize the exact people he wants us to recognize of the bat

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"How about we also remember to honor the people who are not from just our nation who have fought to protect the weak and keep the peace all over the world..."

Which I posted in entirety IN MY FIRST POST.

Damn Santa do you think I hate you or something? I mean yeah you're acting like a douche right now but Jesus. I just thought it was relevant to the OP, more relevant to the people of international website than an American war holiday. So I brought it up because I remembered it was coming up and close to Memorial Day.

But go ahead. Read hatred and condescension into it if it makes me you feel righteous rage. I can't stop you.

Thucy, I only read condescension into your posts because you put it there.

Ever heard of a persecution complex?

If I'm condescending to people, I include myself in the target. I won't hold back from pointing out flaws in the way we do things in this world just for fear of looking congenial. But I certainly won't hold back from acknowledging my own part in it all either.

Indeed the drive to talk about it stems from a recognition of my own involvement in the things I criticize, so as to reduce it by speaking against it, though speaking merely cannot erase one's birthright.

For fear of not looking congenial*

And anyway, how about it? The day is on the 29th. Care to observe it? Or is the UN a joke to you as it is to so many in the rich world

"If you are going to count defending an American territory populated by French speakers that had not been an American possession for ten years as defending “American citizen from foreign invaders”"

I would have thought that with your advanced degree in early American history you would have known that the War of 1812 was not fought over control of Louisiana.

"perhaps the thousands that died in Hawaii, and the 1.5 k that died in the Aleutan islands fighting Japanese ground forces."

The Japanese were not invading Hawaii to take freedom away, nor did they have any plans to (and living there, I'm sure you realize it would've been impossible even if they'd tried). Going to war over Pearl Harbor was a reasonable response, but that doesn't mean that the Pacific War was fought to "defend freedom" - freedom was never threatened. A war fought thousands of miles from the continental United States for control of the Western Pacific and Eastern Asia, whose loss would've had no effect on Americans' fundamental freedoms (unless you want to count the 'right' of Americans to sell their stuff in China and other East Asian markets) - was a war for territorial and economic control, not a struggle to defend the right to take a Monday off from work and barbecue hotdogs. And there was no one living on Kiska or Attu to oppress - two isolated rocks that were so strategically insignificant the Japanese gave one of them up without a fight.

How would I have a "persecution complex" based on my reaction to your post. I wasn't even in this thread and hadn't posted for a month before you went into one of your usual missives. There is no way that I could think that your post was directed toward me. Yet it was obnoxious all the same. I also enjoy that you insinuate that I have a complex, then in the next paragraph you admit, "Well maybe I was condescending, but I am fair about it." So can I take that to mean that I don't have a complex and you actually just made a condescending post (including yourself of course... somehow) as I've stated all along.

Or are you are insinuating that I have a persecution complex because I am Jewish, and have a problem with your post (does asking that clarifying question tar me with the brush of having a persecution complex? So many questions).

Persecution Complex? SantaClausowitz? No way!!!

"I would have thought that with your advanced degree in early American history you would have known that the War of 1812 was not fought over control of Louisiana."

No... It was fought over the control of Canada and I don't believe I ever stated otherwise... However, if you want to be technical, The Battle of New Orleans was over tactical control of Louisiana, and I am completely confused at how this even addresses my comments or when I stated that the War of 1812 was over Louisiana.