Scum. Only scum are excited

I must be scum then. I guess I may as well not even look at my role PM.

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Who is snowy801?

He and I are new to webdip mafia.

My role is quite normal. No craziness in this one.

I'm the painfully obviously town player who will no doubt get lynched d1 regardless.

Also yeah Balduran and I know each other outside the site. He pulled me into this madness.

Question: is this a day start game?

It is, yes. Or, they usually are

This is indeed a day start game.

And interesting information, as you know please do not meta-game if you both know each other outside of the site.

Of course.

I've seen snowy play mafia before, is it against the rules to scum/townread him based off that? (or vice versa)
I know you guys comment on people's meta-game, but I realize it could be different since the games you guys reference are mostly available for public perusal.

Half of our game will be meta. You might have some catching up to do in that regard.

People on the subs list are allowed access to the spectator QT?

Wow, that's new.

That's completely normal.

Completely normal? I wouldn't have allowed it in the last game (not that anyone asked). Surely this allows people on the subs list to be coached by experienced players who happen not to be participating this time??

Yes, and it also allows them to keep up with the game in case they are subbed in.

It isn't new, as I copied that rule from a previous game :p

It allows them access to commentary and observation not allowed to the starting players and creates an information asymmetry. It's ludicrous. I have not seen that once in the past 10 games. Which game was that last mentioned in the rules?

As far as getting informed about meta, and particular mafia game to reread for most mileage? I'll probably can't read many before I'm dead or there's enough information in-thread to work off of anyway.

Hey, Jamie, I have an idea. How about you just accept it for what it is, not spend this entire game pestering the GMs, and get on with life? It is perfectly rational for the spectators to include subs who, by their own choice, may end up playing in the game. They can communicate with other spectators and air their concerns, guess at what is going on, make reads, etc etc. It is a way for subs to enjoy the game and keep track of it before actually playing in it. It does not create any "information asymmetry" because they start with the same amount of information that town does: none.

I mean bo, I believe the information asymmetry is caused when they sub and have knowledge of what was said in the spectator thread, while the other players will not.

If we were talking about the GOD QT, I would of course agree. But it is helpful to let them read observer stuff.

They may be able to benefit from the advice and analysis of experienced players in a special QT which is denied to starting participants. This is unbalanced and stupid.

I don't particularly mind not sharing it with the subs, as I have not sent them the link. All this means is that anyone in the spectator thread can not sub in if necessary. I'll let the council decide on this one.

@Vash ... if anyone feels like they're missing out on the good ol spectator thread, they can offer to sub and join it for awhile.

Getting players in the Spectator QT to replace in (if a sub was needed) was official protocol from M1 through about M10. I don't think the rule was ever officially repealed, but with the decline in popularity of observer QTs in general it fell out of tradition.

The reason for this was that often subs were hard to find, and most of the players interested in Mafia but not playing would be in the Obs QT. The insights of players outside of the game was not thought to be a massive issue as compared with the downside of not being able to find replacements if it was not the case.

After talking it over, we've ruled that the mafia community has grown enough that this is not necessary anymore. Players on the designated sub list should not have access to the Spectator QT due to the certain unbiased viewpoints they would have access to there, and also due to the fact that a whole new Spectator QT would have to be created every time a player was subbed in.

Lol, thanks meme. No subs in the spectator QT then :p