@Flum
Meme, Delarosa, HR, Vashta, and Brain have each suggested that y2k's shooter is highly incompetent. It is not a huge leap for this to be one of the several completely new players. In context, my statement was primarily meant as a method to give greater strength to my argument for Delarosa.

OK guys, I gave up on my meticulous-ish note taking about 5 pages back because it was taking me like 30+ minutes per page and it was all the same shit. I'm typing up some thoughts now.

I could see a scenario maybe where the shooter was Balki. Unlikely as he went on a tirade shortly after y2k's death about how obvious it was bosox took the shot. I also doubt the shooter was meme because he voted me as if he thought it was me shortly after. Jamiet certainly didnt seem like the shooter this game.

I wouldnt have shot y2k he was very clearly on the side of Mafia.

We should consider invoking the lynch the lurkers nuclear option (bosox doctrine) on bosox himself. what the fuck is this nonsense of not talking or defending himself?

General thoughts on the setup:
I don't really know if I like this kind of setup. It's a bit early to tell, but it doesn't quite seem like mafia. The mason vs. cult vs. mafia aspect will be interesting, as there's effectively three variable teams. I think it's going to be tough for us going forward since our ranks can only be thinned, but the opposing groups can add to their ranks. This will quickly stack up against us and we need to play smart and effective. Luckily, the vigilante wasted a shot more or less, and didn't hit one of our power roles.

Thoughts on players:
Balki: I don't think Balki is this poor of a player, but I also don't think he's completely scummy (scummy here meaning non-mafia... confusing, I know). Day 1 is usually a tough day and this day 1 is even worse considering the confusion over new roles, new mechanics, and conflicting agendas. The fact that people's roles can change midday is going to just add to the chaos further down the road. Still, Balki seems to be in an unnecessary urge to get past day 1 without dying... which seems odd to me.

Bo_sox: I think bo legitimately town slipped. He's disappeared since then - giving up maybe? Or hoping it all blows over. I'm fine with taking him down now because it's the best bet we have. If he didn't town slip and just made a mistake, then have we really lost anything that important? Probably not.

brainbomb: He isn't spamming like last game. That's a positive. Unfortunately, his posts still aren't making any sense by and large. He seems to be picking people arbitrarily to list as scum, or just listing people who are going after him. He also is just not paying attention... on page 10 he says that hammering would modkill people. The one thing I agree with him on is that delarosa is probably the vigilante.

captainmeme: He's being lurky. Standard captainmeme play.

Claesar: Doing okay for a new guy. Not a ton to say, but I don't quite understand his preemptive defending himself against vigilante accusations. He seems overly defensive. Could be new guy jitters, could be a tell that he isn't a mafia-aligned player.

delarosa: Probably vigilante. I forget exactly what he said that tipped me off to it, but I'm pretty sure he's the vig. I'll go back and look for it tomorrow.

Fluminator: Pretty quiet from Flum so far. I don't understand his whole "alliance" thing, but I'm hoping it was just a joke.

ghug: I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of what ghug says, which I don't like (fuck ghug, amirite?). However, he seems to be playing like I would expect from a town-aligned (in this game, mafia-aligned) ghug, so I'm not too worried about him. I agree with him that Balki is playing below expectations.

guak: guak is talking way more than I would expect. Typically that is a tell that guak is scum, so in this game it means he's probably a cult leader, mason, or town power role. He also seems to be directing unnecessary amounts of suspicion on brainbomb, particularly when he tried to say brainbomb was claiming a mafia PR. He alternates between overly-thought-out and overly-lazy posts.

HR: A bit quieter than I'd expect from HR. I don't know about him yet. I agree with him that the vigilante is probably not bo_sox and is probably inexperienced.

Jamiet: Why are you spending so much time fixating on who the vigilante is? It's good to make an educated guess, but like 90% of your posts since y2k got shot are about it. I don't think this fixation is a mafia-aligned-tell. I think Jamiet is probably overcompensating to appear to be a VT (vanilla traitor) or mafia member.

Maniac: Where oh where has our Maniac gone...

Mr. Asimov: Decent contributions for a new player. Haven't seen a lot from him in the last ~15 pages.

OB_Gyn: Like HR, pretty null on him. I expect to get a better read as things develop. Some curious interactions with Maniac on page ~9-10.

Vashta: Early on I got the impression Vash was trying to signal to the masons that he was a town power role. I still think that was his goal, but I'm not so sure of his intentions. Could be he wanted them to visit him so he could kill one because he's a mafia PR. Either way I'm keeping an eye on Vash. However, I do agree with his sentiment that VTs trying to become free agents of sorts is a bad strategy for the mafia long-term.

Vecna: One post from him so far I think?

xorxes: Started off OK but haven't seen anything from him recently.

y2k: RIP. Hadn't contributed jack shit, but still RIP.



I'm going to leave my vote on bo_sox. I'm also willing to vote Balki, Jamiet, or guak.

I still think Bo is Tracker. My reason is that he did slip. He absolutely slipped but rather than try to fix the situation he dug in even deeper. I think initially he actually thought that Town was the good guys. When he realized the setup means you dont want to confess to being town he figured, "well screw it my role isnt gonna help town, and if I survive I wont get masoned".

Hence in order to keep town from growing, we can kill Bo here, but I highly doubt he flips mason. But he is likely Tracker.

##Vote Bo

Hold up, Mr. Asimov's favorite author is... Tolkien? Bitch who was the last king of Numenor?

Starting to think guak is scum. His activity is odd (though I'm not going to call it a scum tell on its own), and the fact that he's spending more time telling people not to search for PRs than he is searching for masons/cultists is a bit odd to me.

Guak, I agree that a mason or cultist would be better, but we really don't have a lot to go on day one. Should we really exclude people who look most likely to be scum just because they happen to seem more likely to be the less valuable ones to get? That logic leads to lynching traitors or town PRs.

Revised Reads
Meme - Lurking. Has done and said very little - null
guak - I think guak is far more active this game and I am removing him from my list. -Traitor. just kidding, guak is obvious town PR.
ghug- I am also removing ghug from my list as he wasnt really a suspect at all. I just put him there for the hell of it. who gives a fuck nobodys gonna read my shit anyway -Traitor
Flum- Clearly in cahoots with balki. possibly both are cult. Or maybe both are the masons. That whole thing about alliances may have been signals to each other who knows. -Town
HR- So benign, laid back this game. Clearly not a PR for Mafia, more likely is just a bystander traitor. -Traitor
Jamiet- Playing sloppy, angry, and bad at investigation. Regurgitating obvious thoughts from others, and asking obvious traitors 1000 questions instead of focusing on finding cult and Town. -Traitor but doing a shitty job
Vecna - Pops on to give one comment about how Mafia is likely to lose because our numbers will dwindle. Apologizes for being useless. -Useless Traitor
Balki- Clearly has an agenda, or he doesnt. who cares. ignore him, kill him after he recruits his following.
delarosa- 99% town, obvious shooter. seems confused about what is happening. Willing to buddy others, prime candidate for enforcer to remove from existence tonight.
Mr. Asimov - Traitor 1000% obviously a new player with mafia’s best interest at heart.
xorxes - Probably not a Townie. He is slight traitor in my reads.
Vash- Vash is town. He is a mason, or a PR. Vash clearly signalled masons and cult who to hit and who not to hit early on.
Bo- Tracker or QM. lynch his ass and lets get on with things.
Maniac- Obvious traitor, and hilarious dude.
brainbomb - new, improved, shaken, not stirred. Im hunting these mofos til im blue in the face.

Chaqa- hes dropping off my list for now. I find his D1 activity suspicious, -Traitor
Claesar- Its hard to say what he is. I guess hes a Traitor? who knows. - Traitor

@bb: I find it funny you are certain I am town when I literally was the person to point out bo's townslip and was the one guak shit on for trying to figure out the vig's identity. Not really masonlike or townlike. Also, I really need to revisit the vig thing. A lot of people are saying delarosa, and I really want to double check their findings.

yea delarosa is the scapegoat. hes also not on the chopping block so why dont you revisit that later.

I know you are an architect of sorts. I understand that you would crave a situation to steer people a certain direction. An introverted Mason would be very good at throwing doubt off of themself by sacrificing a teammate yes.?

I will admit that you are far more calm and confident this game than last. You speak more fluidly and seem to be less lurky.

Ar-Pharazon the Golden of course.

I'm not sure how people are now using guak's activity as a scumtell. Last game he was very inactive. He was scum.

I'm pretty sure that the only thing guak's activity level tells you is whether or not he has a lot of free time.

Vash is more of a Vladimir Putin this game.

guak was fishing Mafia PR's earlier today. perhaps hes cult??

@bb: Maybe, but that doesn't outweigh the sheer stupidity of it. This is a numbers game with two recruiting party and just bussing someone for no apparent reason would put the town at a major disadvantage. At the very least I should have a natural aversion to immediately trying to attack someone I think is one of my few allies.
It just makes no sense from a tactical or psychological view.

If I were cult I would be heavily considering converting HR for his skills at this game alone.

If I were mason I would probably do the same. Who wouldnt want HR on their team?

Vash dont become unhinged by it. Nobody gives a fuck about my reads lol.

The sensible thing to do is to mason/cult people are likely to live for a long time. Given I've only survived to D3 twice in all these mafia games, I'm probably not very high on that list.

Using meta to figure out who will be culted/masoned is a wild goose chase.

Oh no, bb is trying to direct the conversion. This clearly means he is a town PR.

yup, went to bed for a few hours, got up and convicted as a vig.. nice job... lol

yea Vash. HR and I were talking about how we would play our respective Mafia PR roles. I told him, dont worry dude, just give the fab gun to Jamiet. he will totally think its legit.

Anyway, I think you and I both want the cult to die.

@HR who exactly is going to live a long time ?

nice theory Brain )) don't quite understand the full accusation but hey, atleast you try

I wouldnt worry too much about it del. people on this Forum just tend to dismiss anything I say as lunacy.

thanks for painting me as a big fat target for tonight.

Now, if I were to be a town PR, my priority should be to find out who is who and not blindfire like a baffoon, Vig only have 3 shots, using 1 right now is wasteful. Besides, I'm new here, i have no idea how things work and how y2k RIP behaves. Wouldn't it be in my favor to stay low, hold my shots ?

So, just because i want to focus on finding masons and cults i'm getting pointed as Vig ? thats is a bit premature and frankly naive. But seriously, masons and cult can reproduce everynight, they are only getting stronger, it is more important to root them out now.

wait, why is delarosa the top suspect again?

Like all delarosa said was that all this was over his head and he left a good 40 minutes before y2k was killed. Aside from inexperience, he doesn't seem to fully fit the profile.