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Cachimbo (1181 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
To Mute or To Unmute Dip33, that is the question!
Yes, this is yet another poll surrounding the Dip33 phenomenon. I've had him muted for a while now, but it looks as though I might be missing out. Should I keep him muted or unmute the kid? Let me know in this latest "+1 Webdip Poll"
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Oskar (100 D(S))
20 Nov 11 UTC
2-Day Phase, WTA
Bet 150

Anyone interested? PM for link and PW.
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ezpickins (113 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Larger Bet Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=72852
Anonymous, 50 (d) 1.5 Day Phases
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Sicarius (673 D)
16 Nov 11 UTC
Wriggling In the Crushing Grip of Reason
Or: one lame pathetic dickwad asshole (me) faces utter humiliation at the hands of a far superior intellect
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
04 Sep 11 UTC
Obama's Green Jobs Fiasco
Weren't the Green Jobs that the Obama administration subsidized with hundreds of billions of dollars supposed to lead job growth? What happened to that? Here is what happened.
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Orerilow (100 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
World War on 17 player for new players.
Hallo. This game create russian new players. We want play with foreigners now. Please join in this game.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
21 Nov 11 UTC
really useful RFC
i dind't know people were funny back in '78 but it turns out they had their laughs...

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc748
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Yonni (136 D(S))
21 Nov 11 UTC
Randall does it again
Typos aside, another great effort from xkcd
http://xkcd.com/980/
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BuglerV (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
World War. 10 D. 12 Hours.
ID=72833
Come all.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
18 Nov 11 UTC
Wall Street vs Tahir Square
What are the similarities between the Occupy movement's protests and the Egyptian democracy protests?
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Ges (292 D)
20 Nov 11 UTC
Passworded 50 ante full-press classic (1-day)
gameID=72744
Please send me a message if interested. All experience levels welcome, as long as you keep up with orders and enjoy diplomatic chat.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
17 Nov 11 UTC
Occupy General Motors
The idiots in the Occupy movement who didn't learn enough spending tens of thousands of dollars on worthless degrees from professors who are too ignorant of the real world to create a job for a hooker on a marine base should Occupy General Motors.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Obama's Despicable Inability to Lead
Whenever the nation need's leadership the President is supposed to provide it. Disappointingly the United States did not elect a leader in 2008 with tragic consequences for the country, and the world at large really.

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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
21 Nov 11 UTC
Please mute this thread!
Because its hilarious!
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
21 Nov 11 UTC
WebDiplomacy Poll: Favorite Country to Play
+1 to vote for your favorite country to play.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
WebDip Poll: Is Diplomat33 an attention whore?
You know how to do it.
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Putin33 (111 D)
20 Nov 11 UTC
Holidays that are worthwhile?
Are there any?

The only two holidays I celebrate with great vim and gusto aren't really celebrated here. May 1 & May 9.
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FatherSnitch (476 D(B))
21 Nov 11 UTC
Argentina wanted
Decent position, with a build in hand if you join within the next 11 hours!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=71196
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I'm new
how do you play in a game?
and who wants to play? :D
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President Eden (2750 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
WebDiplomacy.net Poll: Favorite Country to Play
+1 to vote for your favorite country to play.
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yebellz (729 D(G))
16 Nov 11 UTC
WebDip Poll: WTA or PPSC
+1 either of the first two replies to this thread to vote for your preference
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Maniac (184 D(B))
19 Nov 11 UTC
Xmas present for my wife
I need help
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mr.crispy (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Music
Anybody in here a Michael Buble fan? or do you think he's a major copy? in fact, what kind of music do you like? I'm kind of out of music, and im tired of hearing the same things over and over again.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
19 Nov 11 UTC
kindle fire
So, I'm trying out my friend's fire. I like the size much more than the ipad, but I still find the keyboard is too large to comfortably type on for a long time. If I traveled a lot, I think it would be cool for reading and watching video. So, thoughts on tablets?
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semck83 (229 D(B))
19 Nov 11 UTC
Oh, right, haha. Thanks. Makes sense. *face palm*
As I say, I rarely want to look up a word while reading, but I can see that that's nice if you do.
krellin (80 DX)
19 Nov 11 UTC
Vinyl versus digital -- heard the debate for years, since I was a EE student at Michigan State. Here's the discussion: Per science and math, I can recreate anything I want *perfectly* if I sample it at the correct frequency. In digital, if we sample at twice the highest frequency we want (i.e. the highest frequency the human ear hears) then I can duplicate music perfectly. It will sound exactly the same as the original....except that the "original" is a noisy thing, isn't it? I think the "perfection" of digital reproduction is what bothers people, and that the random noise (hisses and pops) are somehow, subconsciously, more "real" and more pleasing to some...and thus the debate. It is aesthetics. but in truth it is not the same discussion as books vs e-readers (with e-ink, that is). Sound that is pleasing is what we want in music, and thus the format (digital, vinyl, etc) make a huge difference to enjoyment. I just can't buy the same argument in reading. As long as the method of reading is not somehow combersome or distracting....say the book weighs 50 pounds or the e-reader has an awful glare (i.e. not e-ink) then, providing you enjoy the book, the particular media upon which you are (and this is critical...) **looking at words** should be irrelevent. I can not possibly fathom how holding a book, having to keep the pages pinned back with one hand (perhaps while you lay in bed) is somehow more pleasing that hold a book....which just so happenes to be thinner and electronic in nature...which display the exact same words on a screen that *is*, for all practical purposes, very much like ink. In fact, it is bits of *something* arranged into letter *physically*, just via electronics, instead of permanently affixed via a printing device. It is *very* much just like reading a book, other than I can't draw pictures on the corners of the pages and flip through my hand-made movie...
krellin (80 DX)
19 Nov 11 UTC
The disctionary function is *fantastic* for my kids, actually.
krellin (80 DX)
19 Nov 11 UTC
(I'd like to claim that "disc-tionary" is my attempt at science humor, as the dictionary is stored on the "drive" or 'disc' of the computational device. Alas...it was simply a typo...)
spyman (424 D(G))
19 Nov 11 UTC
Another great thing about ebooks is highlighting and annotating passages. These get stored in their own file, and thus when you are finished, you have your own "summarised" version of the book, with hyperlinks to the actual passages in the book. Very good for studying.
Draugnar (0 DX)
19 Nov 11 UTC
I'm a big reader (and loser) of paperbacks. My concern with an ereader is the number of times I've lost a $6-$8 book. One ereader is more than 10 times a paperback.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Nov 11 UTC
"The "I love the feel of a book" crowd only exists because they have yet to try a quality e-reader, I suspect."

I've tried them.
I didn't like them.

I prefer the feel of leather and paper and binding to plastic when I read.
I prefer the smell of pages that grow old with me over ageless screens when I read.
I prefer the sight of all the random splotchings and such I've experienced with this book, manifested in the splotches and bent pages and chocolate-covered-pages from a 9-year old spilling his cocoa on it...to a static, lifeless screen.



I prefer books to Nooks, and have tried them both.

So try again.
Draugnar (0 DX)
19 Nov 11 UTC
Despite krellins well articulated post (not sarcastic, it was well written) there is something to be said for the tangible feel of a paperback or hardcover novel when your reading for pleasure. And the ereader loses the enhanced aesthetic of the paper book in those moments. When working, I like physical reference materials I can spread out on my desk and jump between with a glance of my eyes, something that also gets lost in an ereader.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
19 Nov 11 UTC
I love my Sony eReader for novels. It can hold more books than I could read in years and I can buy a new one at any time I want wherever I am. It's also very simple (no browser, game, etc), so I'm never distracted. The eink is just as easy to read as paper. Occasionally, I've had a problem with the battery dying, but that's only when I haven't used it for a long time. The battery can easily go a month of reading on one charge.

I will agree that I would hate an e-reader, or even a tablet, for any reference materials. Textbooks would be awful; it's just too hard to quickly find things.

@krellin

For the price, the Fire can't be beat. It's beautifully integrated into Amazon, so books, music, and movies are all easily accessible. It only has access to the Amazon App store, so apps are a bit limited, but they seem to have a decent selection.

If you want, there's a very in-depth review here:

http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/14/2560084/kindle-fire-review
semck83 (229 D(B))
19 Nov 11 UTC
@krellin,

First, I don't want to continue the audio discussion _too_ far (though obviously feel free to reply), since as I already said, _I_ don't have a strong opinion as to the difference between the two, and I actually agree that it could well be that certain imperfections are pleasing to some people.

I do want to correct one thing you said though. You said

"Here's the discussion: Per science and math, I can recreate anything I want *perfectly* if I sample it at the correct frequency. In digital, if we sample at twice the highest frequency we want (i.e. the highest frequency the human ear hears) then I can duplicate music perfectly."

This is not true. Specifically, we can reconstruct a sample _perfectly_ only if the original signal contains a cutoff frequency B beyond which it contians no components (i.e., there is no frequency higher than B contained in the signal). The theorem is the Nyquist-Shannon theorem here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist%E2%80%93Shannon_sampling_theorem#Shannon.27s_original_proof

A signal without a frequency cutoff can not be perfectly reconstructed.

A sound signal does _not_ have a frequency cutoff, and thus cannot be perfectly reconstructed in this way. (Even if it could, of course, be perfectly reconstructed in theory, the "finitely many" numbers we need are real numbers, of which there are uncountably many, so digitizing it would still introduce _small_ imperfections.) Instead engineers choose to treat the sound as though it has no frequencies higher than about 22KHz, which is the highest a human ear can hear, and then apply the theorem as if that were the case.

Hence, the signal that is created digitally is only a near-perfect recreation of the "truncated" sound wave that has had the higher-frequency sounds removed.

Note that this works in linear approximation, where different frequencies are independent. However, the physics of sound is really only approximately linear, which means that in real life, there is some small but _possibly_ noticeable effect of the higher frequencies on the lower frequencies, which means that making this cutoff choice could possibly lead to audible differences.

To cut to the chase, anyway, no, it is not possible to take an arbitrary signal and represent it perfectly by finitely many numbers.

Continuing to ebooks,

"I just can't buy the same argument in reading. As long as the method of reading is not somehow combersome or distracting....say the book weighs 50 pounds or the e-reader has an awful glare (i.e. not e-ink) then, providing you enjoy the book, the particular media upon which you are (and this is critical...) **looking at words** should be irrelevent."

If that were really true, then you would not be arguing for the superiority of EITHER method. You would view them as functionally equivalent. That you are in fact arguing that one (ereaders) is better shows that you don't actually believe this, so now we just disagree about which actually IS better.

Of course, as we have both now said, this probably comes down to taste, specific uses, etc. If you prefer your ereader and its convenience, dictionary, and ability to carry books around with you easily, then I'm glad the technology exists for you. Similarly, since I prefer (physical) books, I'm glad they exist for me. I didn't mean to make a big deal out of it, just to point out there are certain _technological_ advantages of books over ereaders, so it is a tradeoff, not a clear-cut decision.
semck83 (229 D(B))
19 Nov 11 UTC
PS. For the interested reader: I accidentally linked a subsection of the wiki article. This was unintentional -- just go to the top.
spyman (424 D(G))
19 Nov 11 UTC
"My concern with an ereader is the number of times I've lost a $6-$8 book. One ereader is more than 10 times a paperback."

How do you lose an eBook?
semck83 (229 D(B))
19 Nov 11 UTC
I think his concern was losing the ereader, spyman.
spyman (424 D(G))
19 Nov 11 UTC
aahhh.... that makes sense. Well the Kindle is so cheap these days. Some books cost more to buy than a Kindle.
semck83 (229 D(B))
19 Nov 11 UTC
Draug has a good point, by the way.... think of where music would be if kindles had been dominant in the 60s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taADLPtyDb0
spyman (424 D(G))
19 Nov 11 UTC
... and the great thing about ebooks is you can't lose them. Your house could burn down and you could lose your Kindle, but you can always download your books again.
spyman (424 D(G))
19 Nov 11 UTC
Classic song semck83 :-)
krellin (80 DX)
19 Nov 11 UTC
@Draug -- A curse upon you for suggesting I wrote a well articlulated post. You'll ruin my well-hones rep if I get compliments. It's liek Rush Limbaugh complimenting Nancy Pelosi...it would be the kiss of death to her re-election! I ask, politely, that you retract your comment.
Draugnar (0 DX)
20 Nov 11 UTC
@krellin - No. :-)
Draugnar (0 DX)
20 Nov 11 UTC
The cheapest kindle is still $99 so more than 2.5 hardcovers and more than 10 paperbacks. Loose your kindle or your nook and you lose a C-note.
krellin (80 DX)
20 Nov 11 UTC
But I've already download and read well over $100 worth of books for...er....how shall we say...uh..."minimal" expense...
Draugnar (0 DX)
20 Nov 11 UTC
I get books cheap too. We have a used paperback store called the book end where you get 25% of the face value on trade ins and you can buy books for 50% of face value. I've bought some great old paperbacks of classic Asimov and Heinlein SciFi (and a ton of Conan) for a couple bucks a book. And if I lose one, I've only lost one book and am out $2. Lose a kindle and you are out $100 to replace the ereader and then have to take the time to redownload everything.
Geofram (130 D(B))
20 Nov 11 UTC
So don't fucking lose it. Jesus.

It's not going to matter what you prefer. Books are expensive, difficult to manufacture, and have a huge overhead. The ONLY obstacle to never needing to publish another paper book are university textbooks, and that's caving fast.

Enjoy the smell of paper all you want, E-readers are better in EVERY fashion and have already begun to show how obsolete printed text is. Paper book sales are down, newspaper sales have crumbled. This isn't vinyl versus digital, where you at least have an argument that its classy. No, this is the compact disc versus digital, where everyone and their mother knows its a losing battle.

I can read everything you can read and more on my kindle.

I can carry more books than you can on my kindle.

I spend less money reading the same material you do because I own a kindle.

I can read my kindle laying down. Turning a page is not a reward, its a nuisance.

I'll never lose the place I was reading, never lose the quote I wanted to use for my presentation, and never lose what I was thinking about the passage without having to stop reading.

The electrical grid could shut down for a year and I'd still be able to use a kindle because its two month battery charges to full via solar power in two days. I also have more than I could possibly read in that year on my kindle.

Paper is a waste and books are just vanity plates. Anyone who says otherwise just wants to hear themselves talk about liking books. You'll get your day of "back when I was young, we read stacks of paper" and it'll make you feel wise and historic, until then, shut the fuck up, people with new and better ideas are trying to get things done.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
20 Nov 11 UTC
...I really don't get your anger here, Geo--

Why does it have to be either/or with you?

We can't live in a world with E-readers/kindles/Nooks AND traditional books?

Is this Highlander...THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE? ;)
Geofram (130 D(B))
20 Nov 11 UTC
If you lose your car keys it can cost you over a hundred dollars.
If you lose the keys to your bike lock, it'll cost $20 to replace it.
Better not drive your car!
Geofram (130 D(B))
20 Nov 11 UTC
Yes. Because books are an anchor. An expensive, archaic, segregating anchor. We push forward and embrace e-ink technology, we can get the cost of the device down to $25 dollars in five years. You know what that means for places and people that don't have books or libraries? Exactly.

There's no debate or argument hear over which is better. E-ink technology is superior to printed ink on paper in every way and then some.

Someone early said books were only good for burning. Well as long as someone's scanned each page, I'm in complete agreeance with that statement.
Geofram (130 D(B))
20 Nov 11 UTC
here*
earlier*
spyman (424 D(G))
20 Nov 11 UTC
Burn the books and burn the people who read them and damn them all to hell!!!! (not ebooks of course)
Draugnar (0 DX)
20 Nov 11 UTC
@Geofram - "I can read everything you can read and more on my kindle."

To this I say bullshit. I can read books that have long been out of print and aren't available on your precious e-reader.

As far as books being expensive, that is alos a bogus claim. Paperbacks are relatively cheap to make and use recycled paper more and more as do newspapers. Yes, they are more expensive than a bunch of electronic bits, but they are a physical medium that will be around when civilization crashes to the ground.

And your argument of CD versus digital doesn't fly because digital songs are compressed and the compression algorithms arfe lossy algorithms. The CD has more bits on it than your precious MP3 and the sound is better. Any audiophile will tell you that a DTS CD or Audio-DVD/BluRay and even a normal CD sounds better than the best MP3 off a typical iPod/iPad/iPhone or streaming service. High end sound systems will point out the flaws of your beloved digital transmitted media in audio and in video, a high end TV like my Sony 1080/24p will have a better picture and sound off the BluRay disk than anything streamed. Until typical household connections exceed gigabit speeds, physical mediums will rule even in the digital world.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
20 Nov 11 UTC
...Seriously, Geo?

I'm all for progress and all, go ahead, read E-books, but...

BURN books? THAT'S how much you just can't stand anything old?

May I ask...

If we scan the Mona Lisa and reproduce a digital copy of it perfectly...are you OK burning the copy Leonardi daVinci painted with his own hands?

And hey, human birthing is sooooo old and inefficient...why not just birth babies in a lab, and engineer them the way we want, that's CLEARLY superior, right?

If your answer is yes...

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the forerunner of Huxley'sBrave New World.

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Kiselina (161 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Russian speaks game.
Для всех, кому надоело все время переводить свои мысли на английский.
gameID=72573
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
21 Nov 11 UTC
new thread
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=72766
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
20 Nov 11 UTC
French players? Joueurs francais?
Hey all,
Are there any French-speaking diplomacy fans out there? I believe for my French friends this could be interesting.
Redhouse
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rokakoma (19138 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
multiaccounting
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
20 Nov 11 UTC
Plus one this thread!
...Or mute it, that is your choice. Have fun! It should be interesting to see in which direction does this thread go...
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Rommeltastic (1111 D(B))
21 Nov 11 UTC
1+1+1x0=?
1+1+1x0=?
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