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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 May 11 UTC
Battle Hymm of WebDip: Union vs. Confederacy, Based On Residence?
Anyone up for some Games, er, a War Between the States?
North/Pacific Coast WebDip Players vs. Southern/Midwestern (below Missouri) Players?
Ideas for formatting and structure...open...anyone with ideas/interest in this?
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
13 May 11 UTC
Live Gunboat
Tonight, EDT, probably like 9 ish. Ideally a high pot. Anyone interested?

It's been a while for me to play live and would love a good game.
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Sicarius (673 D)
11 May 11 UTC
War is Peace
War is also un-ending
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
08 May 11 UTC
Culture and Imperialism-2
Hey guys,
I'd like to run a second game in my Culture and Imperialism series.
The details are same as before: Classic WTA 36-hour phase gunboat.
Slightly higher pot of 500 D
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chronoz (100 D)
13 May 11 UTC
Can Turkey still get his last circle?
ID#55906
It seems I am stuck in 2 stalemates (Mediterranean Sea, Germany) and an upcoming 3rd, which will prevent me from ever getting St. Petersburg.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
10 May 11 UTC
Riphen is a multi. This not a accusation but a fact he admits to.
Can a mod please ban him for cheating?
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santosh (335 D)
13 May 11 UTC
Classic Anonymous 58712
Starts in about 4 mintues from the time of posting of this thread
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=58712
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Kautilya (100 D)
13 May 11 UTC
DiploMed gameID=58715
Hi guys, come and join in for a quick game. Promises to be fun!
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Zxylon (0 DX)
12 May 11 UTC
Status Update
Hello. I am a long time member to PHPdiplomacy, but I have been in a hiatus for over a year. Can anyone tell me what the new features are in the site since I last played. I am looking for a few high profile games.
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Otto Von Bismark (653 D)
13 May 11 UTC
High Stakes Game
Does anyone want to create a standard game with a pot around 200? Post if you would like to. Im thinking 1day/phase, public players and open chat. Probably PPSC.
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
13 May 11 UTC
About multis/cheating
Folks,
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
09 May 11 UTC
Down to1 game :(
I just finished one of my two remaining games still open. As such, I'm going to start a new game, PPSC, 100 point buyin, 2 day phases. I'm looking for takers.
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
06 May 11 UTC
Statistical Report
I'm nearly done with the report I have been putting together. Austria, England, France and Germany are complete. I'm in the process of working on Italy, Russia, Turkey and some general statistics not dealing with any specific country.
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numberzero (127 D)
11 May 11 UTC
Help for feeling like a bad person?
So i'm in a high point non-WTA gunboat, and everyone is playing a top notch game, we are able to communicate using support holds, etc. But then I stab my ally for SCs and profit. I feel sort of bad about it, because i'm essentially stealing a lot of points from somebody that was nice enough to play with me.

How can I feel better about myself in these circumstances?
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Maniac (189 D(B))
12 May 11 UTC
Question about GR
See inside
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
10 May 11 UTC
Discuss the following statement:
“In a time in which Communist regimes have been rightfully discredited and yet alternatives to neoliberal capitalist societies are unwisely dismissed, I defend the fundamental claim of Marxist theory: there must be countervailing forces that defend people’s needs against the brutality of profit driven capitalism.”
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Putin33 (111 D)
11 May 11 UTC
Haha, Ivo complaining about ignoring questions and going straight to insults is pretty hilarious. I don't think I've ever witnessed such a blatant case of amnesia and/or hypocrisy.

I've tediously responded to these "questions" at least 5 times. But fine, once again, let's discuss your "question".

"These people evidently think that socialism calls for equalization, for levelling the requirements and personal, everyday life of the members of society. Needless to say, such an assumption has nothing in common with Marxism, with Leninism. By equality Marxism means, not equalization of personal requirements and everyday life, but the abolition of classes, i.e., a) the equal emancipation of all working people from exploitation after the capitalists have been overthrown and expropriated; b) the equal abolition for all of private property in the means of production after they have been converted into the property of the whole of society; c) the equal duty of all to work according to their ability, and the equal right of all working people to receive in return for this according to the work performed (socialist society); d) the equal duty of all to work according to their ability, and the equal right of all working people to receive in return for this according to their needs (communist society). Moreover, Marxism proceeds from the assumption that people's tastes and requirements are not, and cannot be, identical and equal in regard to quality or quantity, whether in the period of socialism or in the period of communism. There you have the Marxist conception of equality. "

" "Engels was a thousand times right when he wrote that to conceive equality as meaning anything beyond the abolition of classes is a very stupid and absurd prejudice. Bourgeois professors have tried to make use of the concept of equality to accuse us of wanting to make all men equal

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to one another. They have tried to accuse the socialists of this absurdity, which they themselves invented. But in their ignorance they did not know that the socialists -- and precisely the founders of modern scientific socialism, Marx and Engels -- said: Equality is an empty phrase unless equality is understood to mean the abolition of classes. We want to abolish classes, and in this respect we stand for equality. But the claim that we want to make all men equal to one another is an empty phrase and a stupid invention of intellectuals. . . ." (Lenin's speech "On Deceiving the People with Slogans About Liberty and Equality," Works, Vol. XXIV, pp. 293-94.) "

"The real content of the proletarian demand for equality," said Engels, "is the demand for the abolition of classes. Any demand for equality which goes beyond that, of necessity passes into absurdity." Anti-Duhring, 159.

"[Under socialism, the first stage of communism] The means of production are no longer the private property of individuals. The means of production belong to the whole of society. Every member of society, performing a certain part of the socially-necessary work, receives a certificate from society to the effect that he has done a certain amount of work. And with this certificate he receives from the public store of consumer goods a corresponding quantity of products. After a deduction is made of the amount of labor which goes to the public fund, every worker, therefore, receives from society as much as he has given to it.

“Equality” apparently reigns supreme.

But when Lassalle, having in view such a social order (usually called socialism, but termed by Marx the first phase of communism), says that this is "equitable distribution", that this is "the equal right of all to an equal product of labor", Lassalle is mistaken and Marx exposes the mistake.

"Hence, the equal right," says Marx, in this case still certainly conforms to "bourgeois law", which,like all law, implies inequality. All law is an application of an equal measure to different people who in fact are not alike, are not equal to one another. That is why the "equal right" is violation of equality and an injustice. In fact, everyone, having performed as much social labor as another, receives an equal share of the social product (after the above-mentioned deductions).

But people are not alike: one is strong, another is weak; one is married, another is not; one has more children, another has less, and so on. And the conclusion Marx draws is:

"... With an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal share in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all these defects, the right instead of being equal would have to be unequal."

The first phase of communism, therefore, cannot yet provide justice and equality; differences, and unjust differences, in wealth will still persist, but the exploitation of man by man will have become impossible because it will be impossible to seize the means of production--the factories, machines, land, etc.--and make them private property. In smashing Lassalle's petty-bourgeois, vague phrases about “equality” and “justice” in general, Marx shows the course of development of communist society, which is compelled to abolish at first only the “injustice” of the means of production seized by individuals, and which is unable at once to eliminate the other injustice, which consists in the distribution of consumer goods "according to the amount of labor performed" (and not according to needs).

The vulgar economists, including the bourgeois professors and “our” Tugan, constantly reproach the socialists with forgetting the inequality of people and with “dreaming” of eliminating this inequality. Such a reproach, as we see, only proves the extreme ignorance of the bourgeois ideologists.

Marx not only most scrupulously takes account of the inevitable inequality of men, but he also takes into account the fact that the mere conversion of the means of production into the common property of the whole society (commonly called “socialism”) does not remove the defects of distribution and the inequality of "bourgeois laws" which continues to prevail so long as products are divided "according to the amount of labor performed". Continuing, Marx says:

"But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged, after prolonged birth pangs, from capitalist society. Law can never be higher than the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby." "

The state withers away insofar as there are no longer any capitalists, any classes, and, consequently, no class can be suppressed.

But the state has not yet completely withered away, since the still remains the safeguarding of "bourgeois law", which sanctifies actual inequality. For the state to wither away completely, complete communism is necessary.

4. The Higher Phase of Communist Society

Marx continues:

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and with it also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished, after labor has become not only a livelihood but life's prime want, after the productive forces have increased with the all-round development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly--only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois law be left behind in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

http://ciml.250x.com/archive/stalin/est1934_1.html
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm#s3
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
11 May 11 UTC
Putin, you don't respond - you ignore the question and start preaching something vaguely related. This doesn't count. Try to respond to the point.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
11 May 11 UTC
I read all you posted. And I can prove to you that's it's bullshit, if you're willing to agree to a small test with me. I'll ask you YES and NO questions only, and you have to respond to the question, not lecture on what Marx said.
Putin33 (111 D)
11 May 11 UTC
It is related. You don't bother reading, then claim I don't respond. You're making the idiotic argument that you people make ad nauseum, that "communism" means equality of personal tastes, equality of the requirements of everyday life, that people will be paid equally regardless of their ability or labor. This false, and I produced dozens of quotes to demonstrate this is false. Equality means the abolition of classes. How many times must I repeat this?

"Marxism proceeds from the assumption that people's tastes and requirements are not, and cannot be, identical and equal in regard to quality or quantity, whether in the period of socialism or in the period of communism."

Your question about "girlfriends" is just unreal in its stupidity. But points to the fact that you think girlfriends are property, I guess. Furthermore, I quoted at length from Lenin in his discussion of how the surplus is extracted, what the surplus is used for, and how people are paid in the first stage of socialism, and what is required for the second stage (Communism). You again, refuse to read. I'm done with you.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
11 May 11 UTC
Chicken...
Putin33 (111 D)
11 May 11 UTC
"And I can prove to you that's it's bullshit, if you're willing to agree to a small test with me."

What is "bullshit". That doesn't make any sense. This is what Marx, Lenin, and Stalin actually wrote and believed. You can't claim it's "bullshit" unless you can come up with reams of other quotes contradicting all of these points.

You want to give me leading questions and require one-word responses? You expect me to fall for this set-up? Is this the only way you can make your points?
Putin33 (111 D)
11 May 11 UTC
Did they write these passages or didn't they? And how does it not contradict your caricatures of Marxism? Ask your questions, but I'm not abiding by your stupid rules if you ask stupid questions.
AlexNesta (239 D)
11 May 11 UTC
Putin, just go to North Korea and enjoy your Communism! That's how a communist society will always end up...
Putin33 (111 D)
11 May 11 UTC
"Putin, just go to North Korea and enjoy your Communism! That's how a communist society will always end up... "

Are you an Ivo multi?
AlexNesta (239 D)
11 May 11 UTC
It's just the truth, sorry...
Octavious (2701 D)
11 May 11 UTC
You know, I'm actually starting to get quite fond of Putin. He's one of the most consistant people I've ever come into contact with. At first I was quite convinced he was something of a closed minded fool, but instead he is one of those few open minded individuals who has simply encountered and discussed the arguments so often that he rarely comes across anything new that could change his mind.

I still think he's wrong though ;).

AlexNesta (239 D)
11 May 11 UTC
Very well put, Octavious!
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
11 May 11 UTC
Putin, if you take away people's ability to legally accumulate wealth, provide the best for their family and leave their kids with a better start... you'll get corruption. People will 'invest' in being good party members and spying on their neighbors, or whatever works.

All societies have people with more power than others. We are individualistic by design. Capitalism makes money the criteria. It ain't perfect but it's way better than brute force or empty corrupt ideology. Which is what communism offers.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 May 11 UTC
I'm sorry, are you implying that the whole enterprise of speculation, bubble economies, price gouging, and lying about assets which characterizes your current preferred economic order is somehow less corrupt?

"Putin, if you take away people's ability to legally accumulate wealth, provide the best for their family and leave their kids with a better start."

This assumes that capitalism allows for this to happen for anybody other than the well off. Real wages have declined. People are spending more on basic things like food and healthcare. Workers pensions and benefits are being stripped down. Please explain how we're all better off under this system.

"We are individualistic by design. "

There was nothing individualistic about feudalism, or any other economic order other than capitalism. People should recall the fact that England, the initiator of modern industrial capitalism, had to forcibly enclose formerly communally held peasant land in order to create the modern system of private property. In pre-capitalist times, people died for causes greater then themselves in large numbers - namely for their religion or their lord. And considering the family is the basic unit of human society that transcends time and culture, I'm wondering where this endemic individualism is coming from.

"All societies have people with more power than others"

Sure, because all societies are characterized by class struggle. Most societies have eliminated highly stratified caste systems, systems deemed 'inevitable' and 'natural' in feudal times. Humans have changed how they organize their society dramatically over time and over cultures. How, on the basis of this fact, can we say that this particular ordering of society we live in now is "inevitable" and "natural"? Eliminate classes from the planet, socialize people into living in a world without classes, produce enough goods to overcome conditions of scarcity, and there will be no power differential.
fiedler (1293 D)
12 May 11 UTC
Don't you get sick of spewing all this 'class consciousness'? You could put the effort into making some money instead.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
12 May 11 UTC
Nah, the bad capitalists are not letting him.

Putin, can you tell me, what should I do to become a part of the working class, so that I am not swept away by the upcoming world revolution.

You see, some time ago we started a company, with some friends... and now we're bad capitalists, I admit. I used to be part of the working class before, but was misled and brainwashed by the evil American education system into thinking that starting a business and trying to get rich is not a bad thing.

So, If I fire a hundred people and close the company, would this spare me? Should I fire them right away, or should I wait until the revolution is closer, so that they are better prepared for it? :)

I have seen the light and want to be like you - do nothing, blame the others, and get all I need by forceful redistribution of wealth. You see, I was five when I first heard the Marxist slogan "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!" - but and my parents (and everyone who's tried since) failed to explain to me how exactly are the needs and abilities defined. Because I can have really big needs and really small abilities :)

So, please, tell me, how do I get to this paradise. Btw, do you also offer virgins with that? You should really check out the competition :)
Draugnar (0 DX)
12 May 11 UTC
@ivo +1 - Ever noticed how it talks of needs but never talks of luxuries? Does that 30 something guy who works at Amazon packing boxes for $11/hr (yes, that is what they make) really *need* a 46" TV and a brand new car?
Putin33 (111 D)
12 May 11 UTC
" You see, I was five when I first heard the Marxist slogan "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!" - but and my parents (and everyone who's tried since) failed to explain to me how exactly are the needs and abilities defined. Because I can have really big needs and really small abilities :)"

I already went over this. The relevant slogan is "from each according to ability, to each according to (quality and quantity) of work performed". You and Draugnar and every other boring anti-communist keeps repeating the same thing about 'needs' over and over again. It's clear you're just going to continue to spout off straw men and refuse to engage with actual Marxism. Have fun fighting with made-up Marxism.

"I have seen the light and want to be like you - do nothing, blame the others, and get all I need by forceful redistribution of wealth"

That's not what I nor what any other Marxist advocates. Another day, another straw man from people who have no ability to debate.

It is people like you that insists on allowing people to inherit wealth without working for it, and you want to sit here and pretend that you're simultaneously an advocate of hard work and meritocracy. Nope, sorry, not going to work.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
12 May 11 UTC
First, I quoted you on "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!" - look ten posts up. It was your words, not mine, so don't blame if it's wrong.

Second, what do you mean by "the relevant slogan is". I was under the impression you're quoting Marx. Are you now correcting him? Is this allowed? :)

Finally, you again failed to respond to the specific question: when you talk about classes, what is the criteria which makes me part of the proletariat or the capitalists. What do I have to do to be a part of the working class? Who actually makes this selection?

If you want others to understand your ideas you have to be able to explain them - and I have really simple questions for you but you never answer. When I was young they taught us that a real communist should be always ready to stand up for the communist ideas, explain it to others, defend them if needed, etc. Are you a real communist? :)

I want to join, let me know what I have to do. So far I only understood that I have to leave my children with no inheritance... is that all? :)

I am really curious what to do about my company, should I close it? What would a good communist do in such a situation?
Putin33 (111 D)
12 May 11 UTC
""From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!" - look ten posts up. It was your words, not mine, so don't blame if it's wrong."

That's the second stage of communism, a stage that has not been achieved by any country yet since capitalism and classes haven't been eradicated. I explicitly explained what conditions are necessary to reach that point many times. All you and anyone else has been doing is taunting me about the second stage of communism. It's really really really tiring. But fuck, I'll explain this again, slowly, so the slow crowd can understand.

The state will be able to wither away completely when society adopts the rule: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", i.e., when people have become so accustomed to observing the fundamental rules of social intercourse and when their labor has become so productive that they will voluntarily work according to their ability. There will then be no need for society, in distributing the products, to regulate the quantity to be received by each; each will take freely "according to his needs".

From the bourgeois point of view, it is easy to declare that such a social order is "sheer utopia" and to sneer at the socialists for promising everyone the right to receive from society, without any control over the labor of the individual citizen, any quantity of truffles, cars, pianos, etc. Even to this day, most bourgeois “savants” confine themselves to sneering in this way, thereby betraying both their ignorance and their selfish defence of capitalism.

Ignorance--for it has never entered the head of any socialist to “promise” that the higher phase of the development of communism will arrive; as for the greatest socialists' forecast that it will arrive, it presupposes not the present ordinary run of people, who, like the seminary students in Pomyalovsky's stories,[2] are capable of damaging the stocks of public wealth "just for fun", and of demanding the impossible."

Is it clear yet? The rule you are describing is the rule of the end stage of communism. It happens when there is no need for a state, when people are completely socialized into the social norms of communism, and when there are no classes. It occurs when labor is so productive there are conditions of overabundance, so that people will voluntarily work according to their own ability, and take according to their needs. Will this stage ever occur? Lenin says no such promises can be made. You evidently read this one line and neglected to bother to read the whole passage.
fulhamish (4134 D)
12 May 11 UTC
Please do correct me if I am wrong, but wern't there special shops, only to be used by the party elite, in Soviet Russia?
fulhamish (4134 D)
12 May 11 UTC
I think to reference feudal times in support of communism is a mistake. Surely wealth distribution was at least as inequitable then as it is now.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
12 May 11 UTC
I know all this. Guess you were wrong about the quote then.

As for the utopia - well, you're saying that when we all have enough of everything to satisfy all needs, noone will really have to work, unless if they feel like it... Im not going to argue on this one :)

Still, I didn't get the most important part - wha should I do to become a part of the working class and a good communist while we wait for the second coming of ... whichever your God/ ideology is? Can you give me something like a check-list? :)
Putin33 (111 D)
12 May 11 UTC
"If you want others to understand your ideas you have to be able to explain them - and I have really simple questions for you but you never answer."

No you haven't, you've engaged in nothing but taunts, strawmen and insults. You're supposedly this brilliant businessman and diplomacy player, surely you should be able to get it by now.

" I was under the impression you're quoting Marx. Are you now correcting him? Is this allowed? :)"

I'm not correcting anything, which you'd have known had you bothered to seriously engage Marx and read what I posted above, instead of reducing his ideas to a caricature.

"What do I have to do to be a part of the working class? Who actually makes this selection?"

Does someone "make selections" about who is part of what class under capitalism? I mean have we lost the ability to understand how people relate to the means of production? I wish I could find Spyman's thread where I posted a long post about class distinctions. Anyway, do you own the means of production - land, factories, resources etc used to produce wealth? Do you exploit labor for private profit? Then yes you're a member of the bourgeoisie. Do you sell your labor power to others for private profit? Then you're a member of the proletariat. How would you commit class suicide? By ceasing to own the means of production and by selling your labor power to others for private profit. Pretty simple. Class is an ancient concept and class distinctions exist in every society, not sure why you think it's difficult to figure out.
AlexNesta (239 D)
12 May 11 UTC
Putin, you are stuck in the industrial age. What is a means of production in the information age? Even CEOs sell their labor to a corporation, does that make them part of the working class?
Putin33 (111 D)
12 May 11 UTC
"I think to reference feudal times in support of communism is a mistake. Surely wealth distribution was at least as inequitable then as it is now."

I'm not referencing feudal times to support communism, I'm saying feudal societies were not "individualistic". The claim was that we are hardwired to be individualistic, and have always been this way. This is a bogus and unhistorical claim.

"when we all have enough of everything to satisfy all needs, noone will really have to work, unless if they feel like it... Im not going to argue on this one :)"

Of course you're not going to argue, because you're just making stuff up.

"Only in communist society, when the resistance of the capitalists have disappeared, when there are no classes (i.e., when there is no distinction between the members of society as regards their relation to the social means of production), only then "the state... ceases to exist", and "it becomes possible to speak of freedom". Only then will a truly complete democracy become possible and be realized, a democracy without any exceptions whatever. And only then will democracy begin to wither away, owing to the simple fact that, freed from capitalist slavery, from the untold horrors, savagery, absurdities, and infamies of capitalist exploitation, people will gradually become accustomed to observing the elementary rules of social intercourse that have been known for centuries and repeated for thousands of years in all copy-book maxims. They will become accustomed to observing them without force, without coercion, without subordination, without the special apparatus for coercion called the state.

The expression "the state withers away" is very well-chosen, for it indicates both the gradual and the spontaneous nature of the process. Only habit can, and undoubtedly will, have such an effect; for we see around us on millions of occassions how readily people become accustomed to observing the necessary rules of social intercourse when there is no exploitation, when there is nothing that arouses indignation, evokes protest and revolt, and creates the need for suppression."

So what you are mocking, Lenin says will take centuries to accomplish. I don't know why you people continue to harp needlessly about the so-called "utopian" impracticality of something that Lenin doesn't even guarantee will occur, and if it will occur will only happen after a very long period of socialization.
Draugnar (0 DX)
12 May 11 UTC
But "to each according to his contribution" is a socialist (and, as it happens, capitalist) view, not a communist statement. "To each according to his need" is the communist version. So don't casll it a strawman argument when you refuse to recognize the difference between socialism and communism, Putin.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
12 May 11 UTC
So, to get back to my question... are you saying that to be a good communist I have to fire all staff, close the company, and then seek a job. Clearly it cannot be a senior position, and god forbid if they decide to offer me a Stock Option Plan, I may have to leave again.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 May 11 UTC
CEOs identify with the owners of the means of production and exercise effective control over how the surplus extracted from the laboring class is used. Ownership should be understood to include control. The means of production includes the ownership of the means to produce and distribute information, so I'm not sure what the information age makes these distinctions/definitions irrelevant.

http://www.mltranslations.org/Britain/Marxclass.htm

"Marxist-Leninists define the bourgeoisie or capitalist class as

"...the class of modern capitalists, owners of the means of social production and employers of wage labour". (Friedrich Engels: Note to: Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels: 'Manifesto of the Communist Party' in: Karl Marx: 'Selected Works', Volume 1; London; 1943; p. 204).

The capitalist class includes persons whose remuneration may come nominally in the form of a salary, but which is in fact due to their position in the capitalist class (e.g., the directors of large companies). It also includes persons who are not employers, but who serve the capitalist class in high administrative positions:

"The latter group contains sections of the population who belong to the big bourgeoisie: all the rentiers (living on the income from capital and real estate...), then part of the intelligentsia, the high military and civil officials, etc. (Vladimir I. Lenin: 'The Development of Capitalism in Russia', in: 'Collected Works', Volume 3; Moscow; 1960; p. 504)."
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
12 May 11 UTC
Btw, I would suggest that we leave the second stage/utopia part out of the discussion for now. It has never been even close to realization and I personally don't see it working with humans, maybe something with a hive intelligence. We're animals and mamals don't fit your description, in terms of behaviour. Insects on the other side...

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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
12 May 11 UTC
Obi-Wan Kenobi Is Dead, Vader Says...
http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html
Seems similar to something I have heard about recently... Ah well, it will come to me eventually.
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basvanopheusden (2176 D)
12 May 11 UTC
Minor 'bug'
I stumbled on a very minor bug yesterday. If I have an army in Ruhr, supporting fleet in Belgium to hold, but I change that to support holding an army in Holland, it says: "Army Ruhr support hold to fleet Holland". Should this be fixed?
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joey1 (198 D)
10 May 11 UTC
Forum press game
Hello, I have an idea for a game. The gameID=58416 is set up with No messaging and anon players. Normally the rule is not to discuss ongoing games in the forum, but here, this will be the point of the game. (I got this idea from the dark press game)
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 May 11 UTC
General - President - Ambassador - (Diplomat) - (Spy)
ok, so this is a 3-5 player (sorry, 21-35 player) team variant.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
12 May 11 UTC
Please join our game? Newton's 3rd Law: countervail
Newton's 3rd law: countervail
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=58596
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Ridcully (100 D)
12 May 11 UTC
Copy-Button for your saved Orders. Would it be awesome?
Pretty much that's it. A Button that copys you actual orders to the clipboard as plain text so you can post it in your chats.
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
12 May 11 UTC
"Most Dangerous city in the world"
A friend of mine just came back from a pub quiz, which they won. The prize of £150 all came to the final question, "If Baghdad is the most dangerous city in the world, where is second?"
What answers would you have given and why?
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gigantor (404 D)
12 May 11 UTC
Diploholics Anonymous
My name is Gigantor, and I'm a Diploholic. (HI, GIGANTOR!) I'm going away for two months this summer, and as a consequence I have told myself not to start any new games until September. I'm down to my last one, and even that will be over soon. Somebody console me. *breaks down in tears*
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Crazyter (1335 D(G))
10 Apr 11 UTC
BOSTON F2F UPDATE
New venue booked with balcony and river view. See inside for details.
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Riphen (198 D)
12 May 11 UTC
1 Day Phase Game PPSC
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taos (281 D)
11 May 11 UTC
i hate playing england
i just dont know what to do with england
how to start or how to continue
does any player have some tips?
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Morandini (137 D)
12 May 11 UTC
CHEATERS!! can the GMs verify?
I am not confident that France and England are different players in "The Return of the Conqueror" game
Can a fleet in English Channel that belongs to England support a french army in Bel if they do not talk to each other or "is" the same player?
This makes the confidence in this site VERY LOW!
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gigantor (404 D)
09 May 11 UTC
Forum issue: timestamps
I've just noticed that there's (something that's potentially) an error in the timestamps on the forum. The stamps shouldn't specify the day/date/month when that date is not *today*, but in fact they don't specify when the post was created within the last 24 hours. Perhaps this was intentional, but when I see a timestamp reading 03:00 PM, even if it's actually 2:30 PM, I don't immediately realise that it was yesterday. Issue or not?
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taos (281 D)
11 May 11 UTC
nigth live
join now
gameID=58550
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