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Graeme01 (100 D)
14 Mar 11 UTC
Russia
So, who here has Russia as their favourite country to play? I dislike it a lot but I'd be interested to hear from someone else who likes it.
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MKECharlie (2074 D(G))
14 Mar 11 UTC
Japan disaster and Jquery
Here are some amazing before/after pictures that you can move a slider between to compare: http://5z8.info/worm_fqq
It's an amazing view of the damage nature can unleash on us, and also an example of how cool the jquery library really is.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
This Time On Philosophy Weekly: "What A Piece Of Work Is A Man!" (Well...Wha IS He?)
I've been asking everyone I can all week, partly because I'm starting a new part of the book I'm trying to write, partly because I'm listening to an old lecture series based partly on it, and partly because it's a FUN question--what MAKES a "human being," and what makes you..."you?" Is it just a physical aspect, or is there a soul--and since we change every day, are we the same "person" we were the day before? Are we eternal in any way? What are WE?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
I've dodged a question, on how many Shakespeare plays I've read?

Since it was never really relevant to EITHER post's topic, saying I'm dodging is a bit like not answering some random person shouting in the back, periodically, asking if you've ever contracted an STD when the topic was "On the Relationship of Subatomic Particles."

But if it will stop the trolling--I know it won't, but at tthis point I'm content to give you an answer and the answer you want so you can make your penultimate point that you've read more than me or whatever it is--NO, mapleleaf, I have NOT read the entire works of Shakespeare down to every line.

I have read, seen performed, and/or have been involved involved in productions of:

Hamlet
Macbeth
King Lear
Othello
Richard III
Titus Andronicus
The Taming of the Shrew
Romeo and Juliet
A Midsummer Night's Dream
The Merchant of Venice
Julius Caesar
The Merry Wives of Windsor
Twelfth Night
Much Ado About Nothing
The Tempest
The Comedy of Errors (In parts, will be seeing that May 1st)
Henry IV, Part 1 (In parts, will be doing in full this semester)
Henry IV, Part 2 (See part 1)
Henry V (See Henry IV)

So that's 19 of the 37--38 if you count The Two Nonle Kinsmen--plays generally credited to Shakespeare, about half, nearly all of the Tragedies are there except for Coriolanus the only notable one missing, but I can't find a version of it to watch first, and coming from a theatre background and knowing the plays were meant to be seen at least ifrst if not even only seen, I don't like to read a new one without watching it first--unless you count Timon of Athens, which I wouldn't as its...well, it's a Problem Play, hard to fit in here or there.

Comedies--Slightly newer to them, I think I have a good many of the bigger/more well-known plays up there...

And then there are the Histories, which frankly interest me FAR less, as...well, I know this might come as a shock, maple, though I've said multiple times I'm a Californian, but I'm not an Englishman, and so it's not my History--or at least "based" on my history, there's certainly plenty of propoganda and playing with facts in the works--and so, with the exception of Richard III, which I love because of the titular character--I'd say he and Iago are the best of Shakespeare's Villains, and I'd place both in a Top 10 of All-Time Literary Villians, just my opinion, even we Shylocks are allowed those, you know--I honestly haven't cared enough to watch the Histories and read them all too much.

As for the Sonnets...how many out of the 154...not too many, maybe 30...I'm more interested in the plays than the poetry, again, coming from a theatre background, and the same goes for his other poetic, non-play works.

I can change that quickly and just go rifling through all his poems--I DO OWN the Complete Works of Shakespeare in a Four-Volume Set for both class and my own personal use and enjoyment, Tragedies, Comedies, Histories, and Romances and sonnets, each volume with scholar's essays and comments as well as background and whatnor and then the works themselves--but I prefer to just savor the Sonnets slowly and, agian, I prefer the plays as it is.

I own Kenneth Branagh's uncut, 4-hour, 2 minute version of Hamlet...

And that's it.

I'm sorry that's all I know...19 Shakespeae plays is, I admit, not as many known as the whole corpus, maple, but on the upside, I have decades and decades in front of me to watch them and read them and do so again and again...

And I have the additional benefit of not being someone who needs to call out others and either pretend to be racist--I'm SORRY, maple, your Anmti-Semite performance just wasn't...convincing, I wasn't drawn in, didn't beleive your character for a SECOND...maybe a bit more viceral hate next time, or at least less forced, foolish words?--or else ARE just that stupid.

I'd end with a quote, normally, maybe a Merchant of Venice quote, to have fun with your failed-racist remarks, but frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

(See, I like OTHER THINGS besides Shakespeare and trolling too, maple, maybe you should branch out as well...)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
@Putin:

Don't worry about derailing the thread...

I think we're past that point, lol. ;)
Tolstoy (1962 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
@obi, I'm not a huge Shakespeare fan, but I would recommend the Henry VI plays. They are full of MacBethian intrigue and betrayal (and bear at least a slight reflection of the actual history); I thought them as good as Richard III (their immediate sequel) when I read them, although of course I've never seen them played.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
13 Mar 11 UTC
Soooo, I was FAR beyond you, Shakespeare-wise at least, at 15 years of age.

I'm not surprised.

Despite that, I was only THIRD in class(believe it or not) in my U of T Shakespeare course(half credit) in third year(1983).

Too busy getting laid, I suppose........
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
I'm very happy for you, maple--and even happier for me.

for it seems so CLEAR that I'm UNWORTHY of the presence of such a Shakespeare genius, who can read so many of the palys at 15 and then get laid and have the crowning achievement of all that be a troll session with some idiot from Southern California, that I turn away from you...

I am not worthy of your name and greatness!

(And, hopefully, will never get to the point where I will be worthy of such a sad mantle--now unless you have some further reason to troll, go and read Cymbaline or tap a lady or, hell, given your name, a tree, for all I care--perhaps the only way you can still get any wood?--and just leave well enough alone...well, it's not well enough, but I suppose if you were to leave and stop making an ass of yourself and annoying most everyone here, we could all at least say that All's Well That Ends Well...

Granted I haven't read it, but I HAVE read A Midsummer Night's Drean and acted in it--

So go before you Bottom out, ass head and all.)
damian (675 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
Tolstoy, are you suggesting that because he is a supporter of Marxism he must also tailor his beliefs to everything Marx's ever believed?

But onto the topic on hand, because I find it quite fascinating.

What makes a person? It's an interesting question, one that I'm going to answer quite literally. We are a specific species of animal that has organized into a series of collectives, that share a common base of DNA. I don't think that there is really a better definition for what a human is.

Simply because I strongly believe that while animals may never have developed the same collective intelligence/society that humanity has it doesn't prevent them from being just as intelligent, but in a different way. I imagine they they most likely communicate with one another was well, in a way that is unintelligible to us.

Onto the matter of souls however and this is where I thing things start to get really interesting; on the one paw I'm inclined to say that the soul is quite simply a construction made by humans based on the idea of the importance of the earth. The idea that all life on earth must be recycled back into it/go somewhere. This idea of the soul I'm not particularly sure about. It seems rather flaky to me.

However I think if we start looking at what makes human being self aware, an conscious individuals things begin to get interesting. For example a human being is capable of free thought.

There are far as I can tell three levels of thought within humans.

Primal thoughts - These are the thoughts like, I need to breathe, I need to eat, I'm cold, I need to mate*. They mostly revolve around, what your body is craving and direct stimuli, including the chemical urge to reproduce. These all occur within the brain

Emotive/Social thoughts - Thoughts that are based on our feelings or experiences. They are often similar to Primal thoughts, but they function more on memory, and social experiences. This would be, avoid talking to this person because they make me feel bad, don't speak up because it makes me uncomfortable, don't eat this food because last time I did I got a stomach ache, crack a joke because then people thing I'm cool. It often reinforces social connections, or existing experiences. I'm less sure at which level these occur, I think to some degree they function both within the brain and beyond it, as avoiding painful feelings is a natural thing, however the societal construction and our ego (which we try and feed, and avoid insults too.) Functions as a separate construct.

Conscious thought - This is the area of thought were you bypass the natural inhibition, for example choosing not to eat by going on a hunger strike; picking fights you know your going to lose; Standing up and talking to a big group of people; hanging out with the uncool kid. These can go against the basic hardwiring of the brain, as well as the ego so I suggest they are thing separate from the both of them. Your consciousness or soul. It's what allows you to make choices.

I'm not exactly sure how I think it links to the body, if it's eternal or mortal. But I think it definitely exists separate from the brain. I also think that all creatures have these three levels of thought to some extent and souls.

In a way being eternal is all about the legacy a person leaves, since we are unsure of the eternity of the soul, or of an afterlife. It is the people you effect and those who remember you when you are dead and gone.

On the concept of change, I think that we are physically, and spiritually the same person no matter how many changes we may go through, however our consciousness/soul is able to grow, learn and change. It's not infinitely wise, and perhaps not even eternal. However we are always the same person because our memories remain and the experiences that shaped us do as well.

But then you have stuff like lobotomies, which completely alter the way a person acts, at that point perhaps they are a different person? Perhaps there is no soul and it is all stored within the brain. Or perhaps by damaging the brain in such a manner they damage the consciousnesses connection to the physical body.

The other thing to consider is where intuition comes from. There are a number of theories, pheromones, body language and the inherent wisdom of your consciousness. I personally think there is no reason it can't be all three, which would mean gut feeling is a thought process on all three levels at once.

Just my few cents.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
@Tolstoy:

First--interesting you'd recommend a paly when your namesake famously said he'd read Shakespeae over and over at various points in his life and found his works raning from lewd to boring, said so in an essay, which then prompted Orwell to write and essay in response (Tolstoy vs. Orwell over Shakespeare...quite a bit of literariness there!) :)

But in any case, I'm taking four English classes, one being Honors Shakespeare: Tragedies and Histories (all the plays covered are on my list, read in full or, in the Henry's case, in part) and then I'm trying to tutor and get another job and write...

So Shakespeare's a fun utility, but I don't have time now to enter into that 3-part monster...but I'll keep it in mind. :)
Putin33 (111 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
I see, so Von Mises & Rothbard being Jewish absolves them of the anti-Semitic ramblings of those in the Von Mises Institute and also of the anti-Semitic ramblings of Lew Rockwell. Got it. Not to mention that Rothbard could well be considered a 'self-hating Jew', by his writings. But Marx is 'self-loathing', I see. Glad to see cognitive dissonance is still your strong suit.

Here is Rothbard (posted on LewRockwell.com defending the notorious anti-Semite, Pat Buchanan, while raising the spectre of so-called "anti-anti-semitism". He adds the wonderful comment that Elie Wiesel is a 'professional Holocaust survivor'.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch6.html

Of course we know that there is no Nazi Buchanan won't defend, and Buchanan has expressed doubts about the validity of aspects of the Holocaust.

http://www.tnr.com/article/the-heresies-pat-buchanan?page=0,1

Here we have Rothbard, putting the blame for *evils* like child labor law and women's voting rights on Jewish women (who are obviously all lesbians) who had the backing of Jewish financiers.

http://mises.org/journals/jls/12_2/12_2_1.pdf

And we know also know that Rothbard was an ardent supporter of professional anti-Semite, David Duke.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html

We also know that Rothbard and Rockwell wrote Rand's virulently racist newsletters.

For those interested again, here are those.

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-pauls-racist-newsletters-revealed/

And no one would deny that Rothbard was a firm believer in "scientific" racism, and a admirer of Nazi apologist/Holocaust denier Elmer Barnes.

http://murrayrothbard.com/harry-elmer-barnes-rip/

But hey, nevermind. He's Jewish, so obviously all of this is absolved. But Marx, who you selectively quote from On the Jewish Question, without citing a source, was speaking against Bruno Bauer, who was saying that Jews shouldn't be granted political rights in Prussia. He signed a petition on behalf of Jews who wanted just that. So much for self-loathing.

Rightwingers, quoting Marx out of context, don't have the foggiest grasp of Marx and couldn't tell Marxism from their own rearend, so I guess we can forgive them for misunderstanding.

obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
@damian:

Interesting take, we can get more into that down the line...

You require three kinds of thought for human beings, which might be boiled down--hopefully correctly, correct me if I understood wrong--to Primal, Social, and then more Abstract thought processes.

If THAT'S the case...suppose one or more was taken away, say that, for instance, someone is brain-damaged, and are no longer able to really comprehend the idea of a human society or societal laws or customs...are they no longer a person? If they understood it before, are they the same person as they were when they understood and had all three modes of thought or are they a different being now that they have a different qualia of ideological capabilities?

What if someone's braindead and not able to think at all--are they no longer a person? Are they a different person than they were before the accident which rendered them braindead?

But most of all...

It seems to me as if ALL THREE of those ideas aren't exclusive to human beings--animals certainly have Primal and Social thought processes, and greater Apes are definitely conscious to a degree...

How do these three make man different and define him?

You mention change and state that we're the same spiritually, if we grant a soul, no matter what. I'd again ask what this "soul" thing is, that can withstand anything, and, as you also acknowledge, if we have no soul, and all we have is the body, and THAT is altered, how can it not follow that WE ahve been altered, and thus are different? But as we're losing molecules here and there every second, losing hair, growing nails, losing teeth, gaining weight, etc., what stops that from making us become different every second? If it's because these things are non-essential to our being...what is?

(And hooray! Someone responded to the actual thread! Hail damian!) :D
damian (675 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
@Obi (Well I like the topic. It's something I've spent a good deal of time thinking about. =) )

Ah, I'm just going to cut this off here at your first point. I don't consider them to be a defining characteristic of a human being but instead of life. Your simplified break down is close to correct, I'd define it as, Primal, Social and Free Thought. Just because the last one isn't tied to a direct stimuli.

Now it's an interesting idea the idea of being brain dead or having a single school of thought closed to them. They are still a person, or at least in the second case they are, when a single train of thought becomes incomprehensible, in the the person doesn't understand social structure, they can still feel rejection, pride and shame. Which are all constructs of the ego. I personally am of the opinion that none of the three schools of thought can be completely severed. Without the person being brain dead.

Which brings me to the topic of a person being brain dead. At that point I'm inclined to suggest they are no longer a person, additionally no longer an animal, they have become something more similar to a poorly evolved form of vegetation.

In both cases I think the person has changed dramatically. However in the first case I'm inclined to suggest that they are still to an extent the same person. Even if they undergo a complete personality shift, they will still bear certain marks and memories that effect them.


As I said they are not what defines a human being, I think that all creatures have souls, and all three layers of thinking.

See in my mind when I say spiritually we say the same, I mean the consciousness that makes up a person remains the same. They are still possessed by the same, "soul" or third school of thought. No matter how much they change or mutate, this soul will change with it. However the underlying memories that make it up, and caused it to grow remain the same.

We are more certainly different every second. We are constantly changing and growing as humans however. I think that our past experiences and biases don't change. We may choose to look at them in a new light but the underlying experience is still there. Making us the same person.
Putin33 (111 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
Here's Buchanan's apologism of Nazi Germany, posted on Tolstoy's hero's website.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan87.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan80.html

Here's Rothbard blaming all the Middle East wars on Israel

http://mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/3_3/3_3_4.pdf

Rockwell also believes the Rothschilds killed JFK



He posted this wacky anti-Semitic conspiracy theory article by Katherine Smith.

http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010/07/ron-paul-chief-aide-rothschilds-killed.html
http://derhonigmannsagt.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/the-1961-speech-that-got-jfk-killed/

Evidently Rockwell's friend Katherine Smith thinks the Holocaust was orchestrated by the Rothchilds.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_cia04.htm
Putin33 (111 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
And the Von Mises Institute, among its other notorious activities, propagates and peddles Holocaust denial. But hey, that's ok everybody, Von Mises was Jewish.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/01/mises-daily-columnist-is-holocaust.html

damian (675 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
Hey Putin, I know you tend to be more interested in the politics side of things. I tend to agree with you in terms of most of the political view points and I'd be curious what your opinion is about the topic of this thread. What makes a human being? and so forth (Soul, Do we change and so forth). It would be interesting to see how your views are different or similar when compared to mine. Any chance of you posting them? I'm curious as to if there is any relation between social/semi-spiritual beliefs and political beliefs.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
"interesting you'd recommend a paly when your namesake famously said he'd read Shakespeae over and over at various points in his life and found his works raning from lewd to boring, said so in an essay, which then prompted Orwell to write and essay in response "

Like I said, I'm not a huge Shakespeare fan - but he's not irredeemable. I'm just defending some of his histories that get dismissed while his other comparable works are praised far more than they deserve. As for lewdness, I'm not sure how anyone could defend The Bard on that charge...
Putin33 (111 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
Human life activity is an object of human will. It is not so for animals. What makes a human is its ability to consciously produce its environment. Animals may produce their environment in order to meet their needs. However, humans do not produce just to meet needs, and often (and usually produce) when free from needs. Animals do not *consciously* produce their environment. In other words, they do not *plan* their production. All human production is planned.

Now the question becomes, what produces consciousness? There is no answer to that question yet. It is being studied extensively by neuroscientists and psychologists. Perhaps there's a quantum dimension to it although it's unlikely.

As for the change question, yes humans change as a result of their ability to consciously produce and expand the forces of production. In other words, humans change their environment, and this changed environment changes humans. New modes of thought result from changed environmental conditions, which themselves are the product of the human will. So for example - religion in the particular form of the Abrahamic faiths - was a consequence of the economic conditions of feudalism. Similarly liberal/Enlightenment ideas, were the result of the economic conditions of capitalism.

Putin33 (111 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
And change in thought can happen on an individual level - ie 'class consciousness'. People's views tend to be a reflection of their relationship to the means of production.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
"Here is Rothbard (posted on LewRockwell.com defending the notorious anti-Semite, Pat Buchanan, while raising the spectre of so-called "anti-anti-semitism". He adds the wonderful comment that Elie Wiesel is a 'professional Holocaust survivor'."

This article is about the misuse of anti-semitism accusations as a way of silencing critics, much as you are trying to do here. I'd recommend people read it; here is the link again:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch6.html

Norman Finkelstein wrote a whole book on this subject, as you know.

"Of course we know that there is no Nazi Buchanan won't defend"

Buchanan is a paleoconservative, and while he is occasionally published at lewrockwell.com, so are lots of other people. Here's a list, which includes a large number of people with a broad range of views (some of which Rockwell disagrees with on many issues; some are even outright socialists):

http://www.lewrockwell.com/columnists.html

"And we know also know that Rothbard was an ardent supporter of professional anti-Semite, David Duke."

If anyone is interested, here is Rockwell's overview on Buchanan, Duke, and the fleeting and nose-holding alliance between the Rothbardists and the paleo-conservatives: http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/paleoism.html

"But Marx, who you selectively quote from On the Jewish Question, without citing a source"

Silly me. I thought you'd be acquainted with the writings of Karl Marx and not need me to point you to the source. If my quotes are too selective, I encourage you to read the whole thing. Here's that link you needed:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/
I admit I've never read it until now. Wow! This is strong stuff. Hitler himself would be impressed, and I note with amusement that this is republished in its entirety on Stormfront! This has me questioning why the Nazis were so opposed to Marxism, since Marxism and Judaism (more exactly, the adherence of a group of people to any minority religious identity - a sentiment you have expressed recently) are apparently, according to Marx, incompatible. You should take care of that mote in thine eye, Putin.

"And the Von Mises Institute, among its other notorious activities, propagates and peddles Holocaust denial. But hey, that's ok everybody, Von Mises was Jewish."

First off, von Mises wasn't just a Jew - he was a Holocaust survivor, and his stepdaughter (that is, the daughter of Magit von Mises, the founder of the von Mises institute) is the same Gitta Sereny whom David Irving sued for Libel. So much for the von Mises Institute being a secret neo-Nazi front. Second, your link does not say what you claim, but I think we're all used to that by now. This is what it actually says: "The [Mises] Daily and its subscribers are clearly unaware that Potts has begun a parallel Internet career as a Holocaust denier." They posted something written by someone who - completely unbeknownst to the Mises Daily - has written elsewhere something objectionable. That's quite a loose thread you have there.

"He posted this wacky anti-Semitic conspiracy theory article by Katherine Smith."
"Evidently Rockwell's friend Katherine Smith thinks the Holocaust was orchestrated by the Rothchilds."

A google search for '"Katherine Smith" site:lewrockwell.com' returns precisely one hit. Given the number of authors LRC provides a platform for from various viewpoints, it should not be a surprise that one of them has some views generally considered objectionable. As for this Katherine Smith's writings you linked to, while I don't really agree with her claims as laid out in the links you posted, I find it rather amusing to hear you condemn ther while at the same time denouncing the "Monopoly Capitalist" class (which sounds an awful lot like a code word for "Jews" after reading some Marx here, and certainly includes the very same Rothschild family) and calling for their deaths.

"Here's Rothbard blaming all the Middle East wars on Israel"

That is a belief shared by a great many people, including I daresay a majority of your fellow Marxists and many other people, some of whom you've claimed to be familiar with (Finkelstein, for instance). So I'm left wondering what your point is, unless it's the same old "Anyone who criticizes Israel is an Anti-Semite" baloney.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
@Tolstoy:

Oh, I'm not saying he wasn't lewd in his plays--he's probably one of if not the single dirtiest writer in the English language, which when you think about it says something interesting about mankind to think that we've held such palys as being so "beautiful" for so long--but Tolstoy, as well as 18th century critics such as Samuel Johnson, seem to use "lewd" to mean "lewd for the sake of lewdness," whereas most of the time--not all, especially in the comedies, the Bard wasn't above a quick, easy laugh sometimes--Shakespeare's lewd or gortesque for at least some reason.

@Putin:

"What makes a human is its ability to consciously produce its environment."

Do you mean that what makes human beings what they are is their ability to conceive of and thus construc their own sense of reality, ie, believing an heriloom to be of some magnificent importance or beauty or power when it is, in all relative fact, just an old, antiquated thing, and possibly could be seen by others as junk, but to YOU, since you construct this idea of importance around the object, it BECOMES important?

Something like that?

Because if that's where you're going I totally agree, that was going to be part of my response, that and I think another defining characteristic of human beings is their ability to project themselves through space and time via influence, or what I'd call an "artistic influence," taking that "create a sense of importance" idea above and extending it through works that act upon and influence others, the fruits of which works influence others, which influences others, and so on, all the while keeping the essence of the original "art" and "artist" intact.

For example, if I write a book that inspires millions, and one of those millions is in turn inspired to write a book that features some of the themes of my book, and someone, in turn, is inspired by THAT and takes up the mantle and writes their own book based off of THAT previous work, it would seem to follow that since Work A influenced Work B, and Work B has some elements of Work A, and Work C was influenced by Work B, Work C would have been influenced by Work A and, if it carries the influence of Work B, chances are it also carries, inadvertently or not, the influence of Work A.

In this way, every time we philosophize, then, Plato is recalled, or Socrates, or some other figure, as even if I cite someone else, Nioetzsche or Locke or even--God forbid--Rand, that Plato influenced nearly all philosophy in the West to follow, and that all philosophy is built upon that foundation, agreeing or disagreeing or ammending or suppressing or otherwise dealing with so many of the ideas presented by Plato, if artistic influence works in the manner I describe, Plato's very much immortal and projected through space and time via artistic influence, which is a construct of human creativity and our ability to, as you said, assign importance to this and that and conceive, which animals do not...Monkey X probably doesn't care about a Monkey A that lived 2,500 years ago, and can assign him no importance, and so monkeys die off in a way that human beings, in a sense, perhaps don't.

Or at least I find that an optimistic, religion-free way of thinking that there's something after death, maybe not consciously and a real life and everything else, but at least influence menas that, if you attempt to extend yourself, you stand a chance of lasting through time, at least to some extent; most will never approach the influence and reach of Plato, perhaps, but still, if you're a slave in Ancient Egypt and you're building the Pyramids, we may say that every stone, in so0me way, grants a sort of immortality and rememberance to the efforts and even the trevails of those slaves--anonymous people, lowly in their own time, and yet we can remember then extended trhough time because we can assign importance not only to their work, but to the difficulty and triumphant completion and even the tragedy and suffering and enslavement of their work.
how pathetic is this mapleleaf character, by the time he was 15 indeed, only third in his class!!!!!!
not to mention pushing 40 and using epithets to get a rise out of someone over the internet.
excuse me, pushing 50, keeps getting better
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
He's not worth the ire, SantaClausowitz...and dafter all, he provides a vital service:

Namley, his trolling existence reminds me I'm not yet THAT far gone! ;) (Do you have an opinion on the whole "What makes a person/change/souls discussion?)
The question of what makes a person is a question that depends on variables of time an space. It is in essence historical and even evolutionary in the personal history of a single person. An understanding of a "person" was different in 17th century Virginia (more akin to what we have today, taking more into account patriarchal relationships and family) than late 18th and early 19th century Virginia ("personhood" defined by the color of skin) than late 19th century and today. "Personhood" is not a fact of nature, it is different today than it was 20 years ago and it will be different 20 years from now.

My two cents

And btw, if the essence of Humanity is making a reasoned argument as one of the early posters said I am afraid several of my students are waiting to make the evolutionary jump ;)
would take back 17th century personhood is more like today, it was very different, i was thinking more about the race aspect
mapleleaf (0 DX)
13 Mar 11 UTC
Great.

Clauso-jew is pulling a Fag-Naur and spamming my PM.

We need some sort of "Iggy"(I assume this means "ignore") function, as Fag-Naur so elegantly put it.



we need a ban function for 50 year olds who act like 16 year olds and post antisemitic epithets
mapleleaf (0 DX)
13 Mar 11 UTC
This fucking goof just WILL NOT STOP.

It's knocking EVERYTHING off of my PM.

Fucking last-word junkie, but that's typical of the "merchant class".
you are 45-50 dude. Seriously.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
13 Mar 11 UTC
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This idiot has gone right off the reservation, and needs a spanking......

Maple leafs world view

spewing racial epithets = OK
breaking forum etiquette= not

I wouldn't be surprised if most folks sided with you.around here.

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The Situation (100 D)
14 Mar 11 UTC
Asking for Sitter
I'm taking a break from diplomacy. I request a sitter who does not resign.
3 replies
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IronChancellor19 (0 DX)
14 Mar 11 UTC
Sitter
Hey, I need a sitter, but only for one game. I'm in a live game right now, as Italy, and I'm in a fairly good position. I need to leave really soon, so if anyone could finish that game for me, just let me know in the next few minutes and i'll give you my password.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=53398
0 replies
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thatonekid (0 DX)
13 Mar 11 UTC
Italy and Austria working together too well for a gunboat?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=53362

you tell me.
43 replies
Open
gman314 (100 D)
14 Mar 11 UTC
vdiplomacy game
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=795
7 more players needed in 36 hours for a 35 player gunboat on vdiplomacy.net
Make sure to copy the whole link, not just the ID.
0 replies
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☺ (1304 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
I know there's a bug...
... in the alphabetical disbanding of units that are tied for length away from home SCs. They are supposed to disband in alphabetical order, but I don't believe they do. Does anyone know exactly what the protocol is, not what it should be?
18 replies
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principians (881 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
I need some barbarians to replace me
need a replacement inthis game http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=345#gamePanel I'm barbarians
5 replies
Open
airborne (154 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
Dragon Age II EOG
May contain spoilers which you could of googled anyways
1 reply
Open
mrlentz (0 DX)
13 Mar 11 UTC
EOG--live boat WTA
1 reply
Open
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
12 Mar 11 UTC
Let's Move Some Pieces EOG
See Inside
69 replies
Open
HughesPerreault (101 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
civil disorder
Hi,
If I want to stop playing in a game, is it possible to put my country in civil disorder? And how? I haven't saw that the FAQ...
Thank you
5 replies
Open
Putin33 (111 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
Sick of Wenger and Arsenal
All they do is whine, whine, whine.
6 replies
Open
Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Mar 11 UTC
Melons
If life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic!
18 replies
Open
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
11 Mar 11 UTC
Mod Backlog
Please see inside.
64 replies
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aoe3rules (949 D)
13 Mar 11 UTC
Daylight Saving Time
Wouldn't it be really awesome if this site had a glitch where you got messages from the future?
16 replies
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
I hate gunboat anonymous games
Because i cant tell someone how stupid their move was that ruined the whole goddamned game
45 replies
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Jean d'Arc (236 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
Join the third Punic war
JOIN THE TH3RD PUNIC WAR!!!!
Sure to be epic!
2 replies
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Draugnar (0 DX)
11 Mar 11 UTC
Idea for a variant to try tonight.
I'm on my phone so no pretyping. Just say it is a time restricted game from 7:30 to 10:30 and I'll lay it out in more detail in a bit.
10 replies
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☺ (1304 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
Let’s Play a Game Man-5 EoG
gameID=53196 (It’s Autumn 1905 as I’m beginning to write this)
13 replies
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
10 Mar 11 UTC
Union Joke
So a bank CEO, a member of a conservative party, and a union worker go into a donut shop together, and walk out with a dozen donuts. The bank CEO takes 11 of the donuts, and then tells the conservative party member, "Watch out, or the union guy is going to get half of your donut."
29 replies
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Svidettali (145 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
15 Min Turn, World Game
Its hard to get these started and if you can, join, its a world game that has 15 min turns, starts in 7 hours
gameID=52551
0 replies
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hthefourth (516 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
To Mods/Experienced players
I am currently engaged in the following world dip game - gameID=49579 . I, India, have just succeeded in defeating Pac-Russia. In the fall before he was defeated, he had one unit in his last supply center, Bangladesh. He then tried, in the fall move, to take Calcutta.
7 replies
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Onar (131 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
Just out of curiosity
What happens if a game is paused, but all players finalise?
9 replies
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The Situation (100 D)
11 Mar 11 UTC
Anglo-French Alliance
Let me start off by saying that this idea was not based on any current game that I'm in. Generally speaking, France and England will have a hard time cooperating as allies for an extended period of time. Now it was mentioned to me that an English fleet in Brest would be a good solution to this problem/dilemma. What are your thoughts?
19 replies
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
11 Mar 11 UTC
The NFL Owners/Players Negotiations Break Down: Lawsuits Pending, Possibly A Lockout
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/report-nfl-players-association-applies-for-decertification/1
It doesn't look good for the NFL right now...according to ESPN, lawsuits and lawsuits OVER lawsuits are one the way as the Players and Owners fail to come to terms...it's still early, but this could draw on for a LONG time...my 49ers might be sitting on that 7-9 record for longer than I thought...
19 replies
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joey1 (198 D)
11 Mar 11 UTC
Should we send in the Marines to the 'Shores of Tripoli'
The US Marine corps hymn says that they fight to the 'shores or Tripoli' is it time for them to return or do we (as western nations) avoid any military involvement in Libya?
130 replies
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Le Masticateur (119 D)
11 Mar 11 UTC
Attacking lands with two coasts
Hello, I was wondering if it was possible (my guess is that it is) to attack Spain from the Mid Atlantic ocean and support from west mediterranean or gulf of Lyon since it has two coasts (I'm guessing it's only to prevent boats from moving from one to the other...).
2 replies
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gnib (100 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
Mow em down ww
plz join http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=53024 we need 4 more players
0 replies
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