Maybe for them, "payment" is some recycled pizza crusts or a lecture on why they should free themselves.

we dont buy prostitues. you'll have to ask her to elaborate I'm um.. not well versed on sex worker respect...

native as in american indian

I'm certainly no pro at being respectful to sex workers either since I've never actually spoken to one. Although the ones who have spoken to me have been VERY disrespectful.

I'll thank you not to misuse language so grossly. As a Native American, I do not appreciate being lumped in with so-called "american indians". I'm not being sarcastic.

this pc bullshit is driving me insane man.

are you saying you're a skin? or are you saying that you were born in america, so are native to it

I don't know what a skin is. I'm not the one supporting PC terms, I simply want words that make sense. I was born in America, I am native to America (the land where my nativity occurred). Therefore, I am a Native American.

I realize that the term "Native American" was conceived by racists who wish to bless only my darker-skinned "superiors" with the honor of being born on this continent. But I reject this. I am as native as anyone else, regardless of their skin color.

french girls have a good sense of style, italians tan well, spanish girls have a certain wildness to hem i found intriguing. russians are haughty and cold...i like that too. thais have slim builds, cambodians great skin tone, vietnamase are supermodels...shrunk down to child size and Indonesians have the best bodies.
irish girls have nice accents, japanese have novel ideas about fashion and are overly impressionable, koreans are fire and ice and will bite.
ah i like 'em all

ok well I happen to be such a dark-skinned 'superior'

so sorry I offended you

ass

I like seans view.

Me too

Who said I was offended? Stop projecting...

I'll thank you not to misuse language so grossly. As a Native American, I do not appreciate being lumped in with so-called "american indians". I'm not being sarcastic.


you sounded offended.

One word on this: koinophilia

The difference between Sicarius and you Jerkface is that if you follow his ancestry back millions of years all of his family will have been born on and had there culture developed on the continent. Your cultural and genetic influence was European (I'm assuming) until about 300 years or so ago.

Native American is the accepted term used to separate the genetic and cultural heritage of "American Indians" from that of European/African/Asian Americans. Although you both have equal citizenship and rights in the post-modern world his genetic and cultural history is native to America - yours is the evolution of a medley of European and colonial cultures.

You are the one who applied it as racial classification and not Sicarius. You racist son off a bitch.

That last line was mocking the argument if the tone was unclear.

how does a thread on prostitutes get turned into a argument about race/racism i think people should lighten up and i love your view sean.

Just nitpicking here Archonix, but it's not really "million of years back". Native Americans were homo-sepians (spelling?) who crossed the pacific from Asia to North Amercia on that solid ice bridge which forms at winter (Not sure what the english term for that).
So, they are only native to America since some 20000 years or so.

but that is a hell of a lot longer than the 400/500 years ago that americans/europeans have been there.

Realisticly though - the British and French were both in the new world since Elizibethan times (About 400 years ago). 'Real' waves of immigration didn't happen until a couple hundred years later. The majority of the current population's ancestors have immigrated within the past 200 years. A Spanish influx did occur heavily before that, but being in the south I assume that doesn't really count towards our conversation :P

Was the ice bridge 20,000 years ago? I can't remember exactly when myself so you're probably completely right. My point still stands as trim said though.

But honestly, Native American is more appropriate than American Indian. Being that American Indian was applied when it was realized that the Indians they found weren't actually from India and had no connection to India. It simply makes no sense to label them Indian in any way. The only wholly appropriate terms would probably be to label each individual tribe differently.

Exactly, just another reason to reffer them as natives, is that there are other American Indians and they are really from India..

i think they should rename "native americans" american and rename everyone ese who calls themselves american, immigrant americans.that would be far more accurate.

Thank you. you made my day again.

I'm glad that there are in fact reasonable people here.

thanks for not all being douchebags

20,000? I thought it was 50,000.
idk that particular date is always in flux, cant really be trusted.

but either way they were here thousands and thousands and thousands of lifetimes before say, the egyptians rose, or the greeks or the romans or anything.

the earliest history is still way after, so it's like they've always been here

and that should be properly acknowledged, they should have the main name (if you see what im trying to say).

I try to stay away from these debates. I have alot of native in me, but I wasnt raised in that culture, so I dont really feel like I belong. sicarius was however, so he would be the one to ask on this kind of thing

Why keep using the word native, as opposed to native american? Since not everyone here is from North America, it seems a strange term to use. Any Australianians on the site think you are an aboriginal, and any Antarcticans think you are a penguin.

its your call, but if you want to help clarify your ancestry by objection to the term 'indian', then calling yourself a 'native' does little to clear it up.

Sorry I missed out on some of the more recent developments of this discussion. But my point is essentially that one's ancestry should not matter much beyond a mere curiousity. My ancestors became Americans a few generations back and I am American. If my ancestors had become Americans a few HUNDRED generations back, I don't believe that would make me a few hundred times more American. Basically, those who wish to discriminate between Native Americans whose ancestors became americans hundreds of generations ago and Native Americans whose ancestors became Americans a couple of generations ago are the racists of our day and I disagree with them. Therefore, my claim to Native American-ness is equal to the claim of anyone else who shares nativity on this continent.

I also happen to disagree with those who use the term "American" to mean "US American." Leave it to a bunch of selfish colonists to come up with a country name as crappy as the United States of America. A good alternative then, for those who wish to talk about their nationality, is to refer to themselves as "US Americans". I think this is what our contemporaries in Europe and elsewhere do to refer to people from the USA. Is that right?

Anyway, I still think that it's backwards and downright conservative to keep trying to artificially distinguish between Native Americans and Native Americans. Why can't we all just be Americans (or US Americans)?

Maybe we should get back to the prostitutes and start a new thread about the debate of "Native" Americans.