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pitirre (0 DX)
12 Dec 07 UTC
last minute to play at turquoise days!!!
register...fast!!

i hope to see you all tomorrow and play this game that soon will become a classic. Now i will prepare because im going to see The Police at concert!!

yes!!!!
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james3838 (184 D)
12 Dec 07 UTC
Is this a bug? Cut supportting army?
Spring 1908, Diplomacy: Your army at Ukraine was attacked by the army at Sevastopol, but your army at Ukraine was supporting an attack against the army at Sevastopol and the army at Sevastopol has no support, so the army at Sevastopol failed.

MOS - SEV
UKR S MOS - SEV
SEV - MOS

MOS - SEV failed - very clearly 2 v 1
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
Right: final showdown!
So, after a long thread that got nowhere in establishing the best diplomacy player of all time, one last go. Everyone may have one vote, just a single positive vote for your favourite. The votes will be checked through for double voting, or for multiple accounts voting. For anyone who wasn't following, the options are:
Kahn
Bismarck
Alexander
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Kahn for me (started with nothing, got loads then when he died it died showing he was the reason it built up)
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Locke (1846 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
+ Bismark Gobbledygook has all my arguements already down and i want to vote for the last true diplomat now machiavelli and talleyrand are out.

13 Khan
6 Bismarck
3 Alexander
fastspawn (1625 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
when is the due date for this particular vote?
Noodlebug (1812 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
When the thread runs out of steam because everyone's voted. If there are no new votes in any 48-hour period, whoever is in the lead at the time can be declared the winner.
aoe3rules (949 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Bismarck

Khan never even stabbed anyone. he just said, "Okay, these are my enemies, and i'll kill them one at a time in some random order that makes no sense at all."
Salmaneser (6160 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
If ZeroZero_Peras voted for Khan, then it is

14 Khan
6 Bismarck
3 Alexander

now, since he forgot to count his vote.

Another vote for Khan here, for obvious reasons.

15 Khan
6 Bismarck
3 Alexander
Noodlebug (1812 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
He voted earlier Salamaneser. And somewhere along the way, someone knocked off a couple of Bismarck votes! Here is the complete list of who has voted so far (multi-accounters not taken into account).

Khan 14
figlesquidge, Noodlebug, ZeroZero_Peras, Chrispminis, Wombat, fastspawn, flashman, Nick Douglas, SJC-howard, Sorakan, maggotjoe, Chairman Mao, the dictator, Salamaneser


Bismarck 8
bihary, rexx78, Lynius, Gobbledydook, El_Perro_Artero, The Kaiser, Locke, aeo3rules

Alexander 4
TOgilvie, cgwhite32, Evilduck, Labond
Noodlebug (1812 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
No, if one of Chairman Mao's other accounts votes, it will not be counted. But he is allowed one vote as an individual.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
Is that the 'real' Chairman Mao or the Jason one?
thewonderllama (100 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
+1 for Khan

he had it all, alliances, threats, getting people to do what he wanted without *necessarily* forcing them outright (not that he didn't fight a mean battle though).

oh, and i don't imagine he'd ever play for second.

Khan 15
Bismarck 8
Alexander 4
fwancophile (164 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
bismark
mingle (347 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
Another for Bismark. I think Uniting Germany and fighting and defeating a stronger enemy in France.

Khan 15
Bismarck 10
Alexander 4
Evilduck (322 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
@ flashman

I agree that Khan's conquest did encourage the Chinese to add a lot to their already existing wall, so in a way he is responsible. But what you said is also a fallacy, because you make it sound like he was solely responsible for it being there.
Sorakan (126 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
Umm, Chairman Mao is the real one (who voted). SmartJason one doesn't have a space (your going to accuse him, better double check).
Vampiero (3525 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
in my opinion, khan used his diplomatic skills to manipulate his family members and other leaders. his military genius is well documented and doesnt need my explanation. and the fact that it all happened soo long before alexander and bismarck counts for something in my book.

khan 16
bismarck 10
alexander 4
Noodlebug (1812 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
actually about 1,500 years after Alexander, but never mind..!
Noodlebug (1812 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
we are talking about Alexander the Great, not Douglas Alexander!
fastspawn (1625 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
who is douglas alexander
Kilinari (100 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
1 for Bismarck.
dangermouse (5551 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
1 for the greatest diplomat of all: Chuck Norris
Sirither (100 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Bismarck
-1 Norris
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
PLEASE! Think about it- who was most successful, who's achievements are more recognized by the world? FAlexander and Khan both had large Empires, are legendary figures, are quite possibly the best two military leaders of all-time. Alexander's Empire laid the foundations for a Hellenistic West- combine that with Roman law and politics and Judeo-Christian morals, and you have the Western Hemisphere today. Khan built the eastern version of Alexander's empire 1,500 years after the Great One (easier opponents and more technology, but more land), and helped shape the borders of modern day world power China and introduced tactics that bear a striking resemblence to the Bitzkrieg in many ways (large amounts of troops rush in, cavalry for Khan over Hitler's Panzers, total war). And both were tolerant men- Alexander bowed before the Jewish High Priest and showed respect to his God (even if he did not necessarily agree with the montheistic themes), and so "Alexander" is a popular Jewish name today. Khan was smart enough keep a good thing when he saw it, and so kept the Chinese beuracracy alive after his conquest.

And what did BISMARK do?

True, he helped stabilize the German nation, but was only one (albeit a significant one) of many to slowly unite the Prussian-Germanic States. But he is not in the category of Alexander, Caesar, Khan, Washington, or even Napoleon, whose presence, abilities and charisma united a people (the Hellenistic peoples for Alexander and the Mongol Clans for Khan), forged a radical and important new regime (Caesar in effect began Imperial Rome, while Napoleon's Empire temporarily destroyed the French Monarchy and gave peasants and Jews freedom), or BOTH- Washington united the American ethnicities AND played a key role in uniting the Colonies themselves.

In my opinion, WASHINGTON would have played a mean game of diplomacy, but, alas, he was not on the list...................

Alexander and Khan were both men whose names are spoken whith reverence by even commen men. Bismark is of note, but mostly to scholars, as Wilhelm and then Hitler were the ones who came closest to achieving his dreams (of German power, this is not to say he was an Anti-Semite.)

So- Khan or Alexander? It can be argues that Alexander came first and therefore set the template, or that Khan ruled more than Alexander in as such is supreme. If the two had been in the same cultural region, East or West, these might be valid, but because the two Hemispheres were sperated (not counting India for Alexander or the Middle East for Khan), neither arguement works. So the only true measure is what GREW from the ashes. Who took on the mantle and ideals of the two, who carried on their legacy? Certainly Rome was profoundly infuenced by Alexander's stlye of fighting- a Legion is really an upgraded, more manuverabvle and organized phalanx. And just as Alexander tolerated the Jews, so two did Rome tolerate, for the most part, tolerate other religions- the Egyptian, Greek, and Briton cultures all were respected, some even with "cult" fillowings in Rome itself. The Jews were intially enslaved, but were released nearly a century later, as was the case with the Christians, persecution then acceptance. From Rome springs Europe and the Western World, and from Alexander's Empire springs Roman inspiration. Khan infuenced the world more by destroying and reshaping than by inspiration. The Mongols gave us the miltary examples ofmhow cavalry, and later on tanks, could be used to overwhelm swarms of infantry and citizenry. The siege operations of the Mongols are also regarded as some of the most successful in the world. Certainly China owes him a certain debt- his methods and dynasty established their borders and would prove to serve as a precursor of what was to come. But still, Khan's major achievement is the destruction of the Chinese Dynasty in rule at the time, the Islamic Empires of the time, the early Russia steppe warlords, the Southeast Asians- essentially the entire East's governments destroyed at the time, with the exception being Japan. And so, though Khan ruled more, he did less to "fertilize the ashes" of his empire, so to speak, and so while the Mongols fell apart with limited long-term infuence, Alexander's led to another, longer lasting empire- The fabled Roman Empire, whose laws and ways would go on to shape America, Napoleonic France, and, unfortunately, Nazi Germany to a degree. These three regimes have shaped the world in measures so extreme they go without saying, and all trace back to Rome- immensly infuential itself, and itself inspired by Alexander the Great.

And so, I vote, and urge you to do the same:

+1 Alexander the Great
-1 Bismark
Noodlebug (1812 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
^^ fabulous post, well thought out and well argued.

The only point I would argue is that establishing a lasting legacy isn't necessarily an attribute of a great Diplomacy player. In fact the opposite may be true, in very close games the measures needed to tip you over that 18 SC winning post may be legacy-destroying - backstabbing your allies, overextending your troops just to get a SC for one turn, leaving key areas undefended - the key is all in the timing. I think Khan's ruthlessness would trump Alexander's bridge-building in such circumstances, assuming the hypothetical game between them would go to the wire..!
Noodlebug (1812 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
In fact, in the end Alexander was the victim of a backstab by an ally, wasn't he..? Bismarck too, but emphatically not Khan!
Kilinari (100 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
No minuses!
Alexander probably wasn't backstabbed -- all we know is that he got sick after a party in Babylon in 323 BCE and died shortly after.
While some people claim he was poisoned, it could easily have been malaria or some other disease that killed him.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
I don't recall ALEXANDER being stabbed .......... unless you suggest poison? I think it was just a fever and a lifefime of living like a modern rockstar. :)

Khan WAS ruthless, which is why he would NOT make as good a player as others. Too aggresive- he'd just attack! He never needed alliances, he just attacked and attacked and won through superior training, numbers, and sometimes technology. Alexander was almost always outnumbered, and tech-wise the Persians and such were on par. I still hold to what I said- the best players are already gone or not on the ballot; I think both Washington and Napoleon would be better than any of these three at negotiation, and though Alexander and Khan could contest on military grounds, Bismark certianly can't.

Come on, Alexander!
flashman (2274 D(G))
07 Dec 07 UTC
Some very good posts to up the quality of these threads now that the butt-heads have disappeared (please).

I take issue with three details of the above though:

a) Genghis's empire did not crumble soon after his death, not at all. It was passed on, according to Mongol tradition, to his sons and went on to their sons also etc... ever heard of Kublai? The empire was actually larger after Genghis died. For Alexander, problems set in very soon after his demise and it seems to be something of sophistry to claim that the Roman Empire should be viewed as the next stage of Alexander's... I doubt whether the Romans would accept that role for themselves. It is a bit like arguing that the United States is the British Empire in new clothes... "We gave them language, common law, baseball (ask Derby County fans), golf, tennis..."

b) The Mongols are being represented in here, again and again, of having overwhelmingly larger armies. Absolutely not so. Many of their battles saw them with the smaller force. It was tactics, mobility and a lot of deception that won them their victories. I pointed to this much earlier (a previous incarnation of this thread) and the fact that some asian cities at the time exceeded one million people, even two million. In this, Genghis and Alexander share the same genius for overcoming great odds.

c) This point goes to some rather earlier but persistent ideas. I believe your humble servant set the ball rolling with the history question regarding the best ever Diplomacy player. We have since advanced to a vote. This vote though is still about the best Diplomacy player. Those of you who argue that we should ignore military conquests are way off: Diplomacy is all about conquests, that's why the winner is the player to get his armies and navies into 18 SCs. No SC is won by simply agreeing to a pact. And, the life of a man like Genghis reflects the development of the game very closely. His great victories on the battlefields came later in his life, just as in the game where the player with 12+ SCs starts to push his weight around and often stops talking altogether to one or more of the others, concentrating his efforts on those who still remain useful or a threat. The early game is where most of the Diplomacy is set out and that is exactly what Genghis did. His life before he rode across the plains at the head of a fearsome army was text-book diplomacy. Staring from absolutely nothing and uniting the almost ununitable...

My main reason for not choosing the superb Alexander is exactly this: he started with his dad's very decent army and allies. There is no doubting what he went on to do with it.

So where is our man to hold up Bismark?
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
07 Dec 07 UTC
you can't -1 somebody...
flashman (2274 D(G))
07 Dec 07 UTC
I thought you were 'banned' from the computer young man?

bihary (2782 D(S))
07 Dec 07 UTC
I play civ 4. All three: Khan, Alexander, Bismarck are playable leaders. Who was the best in terms of civ? Either Khan or Alex.
But here, we are voting for diplomacy players.
Interesting to see how many people perceive diplomacy as a war game. I think it is not, and that is why I am supporting Bismarck.
Noodlebug (1812 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
It's impossible to reach 18 supply centres without war. Russia could theoretically reach 17, but cannot win the game without taking someone else's home supply centre.

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the dictator (65 D)
09 Dec 07 UTC
Greatest diplomacy player ever final 3
Khan
Bismarck
Alexander the great

everybody is aloud to vote once and there is a new rule dont give a reason to why the person you are voting for is good but why he is better then the other two. And you give 2 pionts to your fav 1 to your second
first person to 200 wins

I will start by voting for Khan, he united all of mongalia, which is just as good as bismarck uniting germany, he conquered more land with fewer troops than alex the great did and bismarck was never a ruler, alex was an alcholic and died of alchol poising at 32 wich is why he did not conquer as much as khan but that was his fault. i think that is enough reasons on why khan is the greatest of the 3 and alex was greater than bismarck so...

Khan 2
Alex 1
bismarck 0
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Tman401 (126 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
Ciil Disorder
Does any one know how long it takes for some one to go to civil disorder? I was just curious, waiting for some of the players in my games.
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Wolf Of Fenris (100 D)
11 Dec 07 UTC
Is there a way to leave a game?
I was just fooling around with this site, joined a friends game then decided to change my account name... so I created a new account, joined with that account, and was going to leave the game with the original account. Now I can't figure out how to leave the game with my original account and I have two players in the game...
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pitirre (0 DX)
11 Dec 07 UTC
hurry up; turqouise days!!
register to play at turquoise days; a game considered to be a classic among the experts!!

register...now!!
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Zxylon (0 DX)
09 Dec 07 UTC
World War XVIII is in Due Now Phase
Kestas. Please fix our game
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dangermouse (5551 D)
26 Nov 07 UTC
No Press Game completed
Well, the no-press (i.e. Gunboat) game has ended. It went about as I expected. With no talking and no real way to infer what other players were thinking (seeing as how most moves could not be seen) there was basically no working together. We did have several apparent non-aggression pacts going on. For example there was little to no fighting between myself (Italy) and France or Germany.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2022
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pitirre (0 DX)
11 Dec 07 UTC
new great game created; Turquoise Days
not for the weak of mind; play at turquoise days!!!

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Thucydides (864 D(B))
11 Dec 07 UTC
What happens when (if) you run out of points?
I see people with zero points and I'm wondering: Can you even take part in games anymore or are you effectively booted off the site?
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knottybynature (100 D)
11 Dec 07 UTC
new game
I need noobs to come and play in the I need new players room.
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bihary (2782 D(S))
06 Dec 07 UTC
misunderstanding with dip points
There are many top 100 players whose dip points I do not understand. Take, for example, Seedling (I do not want to pick on him, this is just an example):
Seedling's profile:
Points: 492
Position: 96
Games won: 1

No active games, let us look at his results from finished games. I am listing game name, pot size, Seedling's result, and the dip points he should have earned. I calculate it as: Pot * (Units at end)/34. It is not exact, but should be a good estimate, right?

Finished games:
Diplomacy... Autumn 1915
Pot: 165
Seedling (492) as England: 9 units
Earned: 44 DP

FoC Diplo Game! Autumn 1914
Pot: 154
Seedling (492) as England: 15 units
Earned: 68 DP

Light and Dark Autumn 1909
Pot: 154
Seedling (492) as France: 12 units
Earned: 54 DP

FOC 6 Autumn 1909
Pot: 132
Seedling (492) as Italy: 9 units
Earned: 35 DP

FOC 3 Autumn 1907
Game won by Seedling (492)
Pot: 110
Seedling (492) as Turkey: 18 units
Earned: 58 DP

So altogether he earned 259 DP points. OK, he started from 100 DP, so he may have 359 DP. But I did not even count his investments he had to pay to join those games!
How on earth does he have 492 DP points? Do I misunderstand something here? I see the same too high points typically for players who are not active any more... An other example is mate.
Something fishy is going on...
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gameover (619 D)
11 Dec 07 UTC
new game
recyle please! is up and open
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sean (3490 D(B))
09 Dec 07 UTC
treaty etiquette
i wanted to ask some of the players , especially the more successful ones among you about game etiquette, first..is there any? one makes a deal (say an agreed upon DMZ for example)... is it consider bad form to break that deal that turn? i should imagine so but it seems not. one should follow the letter of the law ( deal)but the spirit of the law is more ..shall we say flexibly followed? or do we live in a hobbesian dog eat dog world? on a more practicable note..do you lie directly to your fellow countries or fob them off with civil but meaningless phrases? or pretend you didn't sign in and was therefor unaware of their offer? just like to here some general thoughts on the subject.
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keeper0018 (100 D)
01 Dec 07 UTC
name games...
i know that the leader of germany is the kaiser, the leader of turkey is the sultan, the leader of russia is the czar, the leader of italy is il duce, and the leader of england is the prime minister. but what do you call the leaders of austria and france?
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Stephen V (345 D)
09 Dec 07 UTC
Too many in Civil Disorder
What the heck people? I mean really. I was a member of this site before and there were a few games with people in civil disorder but not all that often. Now look. It seems EVERY game I'm in there is someone in civil disorder. If you look through the join-able games there is a whole page of civilly disordered countries you can join! If you're going to play, PLAY! don't ruin games for people. This site is for fun. I know it's not serious, but it's not fun when you expect a proper game and from the start it's not. It's just not worth playing after that. And if you're losing, tough it out. Win on another game. You can't win them all.

Seriosuly people.
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RepsaJ (100 D)
08 Dec 07 UTC
Bug?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=1954

I clearly got 9 SC's. Why I still got 7 units? Can someone help me out?
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bajeezus (574 D)
09 Dec 07 UTC
Due...well, a while ago
I'm in a game that's been "due" for like two days now. I mean, I wouldn't care if I were like a lot of you, but I'm only in two games total...makes it annoying if you get me.

Anyways, hopefully just by posting this the fates will miraculously change the game to make me look stupid...but, then again, that just means I can keep playing, stupidity is a sacrifice I'm willing to make...oh yeah, if the fates are still bastards, kestas (that's the guy in charge here right?) could you maybe see what the problem is?

Thanks a bunch. I love you all. Except you, yeah you reading this. Everyone else is cool but you...unless your Kestas...way to go man, you rock!!! Wow I'm gonna stop typing now...
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Vampiero (3525 D)
04 Dec 07 UTC
Player Demographics
I was just curious at what type of people play diplomacy in general, so i thought id ask here. if you guys want, just write some info about yourself such as:
-what country you live in
-gender and age
-married or not
-profession
-hobbies
some of these questions might be personal so feel more than free to omit any of them. no names please.

California, USA
male, 18
college student
martial arts, racing, philosophy, and of course DIPLOMACY!
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
08 Dec 07 UTC
Suggestion: Gamemaster link
On games stuck in 'Run Now' please could we have a link to set them as unprocessed. Currently, if for some reason the Gamemaster does not run correctly, the game is left as processed, and so does not get processed next time, even though it needs to be. Another option would be in the bottom of the help page to have a 'clear Blocked games' link. Thus only players who had intentionally gone to find the link would click it - you wouldn't have people just running the gamemaster again and again wasting resources
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alamothe (3367 D(B))
07 Dec 07 UTC
trtrttrtrtrtr
kestas, we broke the game: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2267
please fix it
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ice point (55 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
brother
Chairman Mao and arthurmklo are brother?
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Gengis (100 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
Further bug
last round it was indicated that Turkey had not yet finalized its orders by the deadline, yet when they were evaluated it turns out they had been. very annoying.
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amathur2k (100 D)
08 Dec 07 UTC
advertise phpdiplomacy on google
Hi Guys,
I have an experimental google adwords account.
and am planning to advertise phpdiplomacy

just wanted to find out if its legal and if you guys can come up with good punch lines.
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El_Perro_Artero (707 D)
08 Dec 07 UTC
Compromise
I've heard a lot of arguing over whether the pot should be split by SC's or a winner-take-all kind of deal. Why don't we just make this an option when creating games? I'd like to hear some other suggestions though.
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
04 Dec 07 UTC
Greatest Diplomacy Player - last 3 (cont.)
17 Alexander
19 Bismarck
14 Khan
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Still going, and I must admit I'm surprised. Please, when voting, everyone give a reason!
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jasperleeabc (100 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
Bug?
Somehow I don't receive notification for messages from other player, why? Is it a bug? It happened in the game "tusker".
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daniele (197 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
bugs...
i think recently there are many bugs in the game

look at this situation for example

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2195

why can't i retreat from s.petersburg since bothnia is free, as finland, and bar.sea!!! i can't understand it
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Otto Von Bismark (653 D)
30 Nov 07 UTC
Greatest Diplomacy Player
I am Honored that you all agree that I am the greatest Diplomacy player of all time :) I will add a +1 to myself if that is legal and -1 to Genghis.
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