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brainbomb (290 D)
28 Jun 17 UTC
GATORS ARE NATIONAL CHAMPS
Hell yes. Florida just won the CWS for the first time in school history.
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bakay_ilya (100 D)
28 Jun 17 UTC
hey
Let's play blitz the game ,missing 1 man
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AngrySeas (346 D)
28 Jun 17 UTC
Home Game
Is there a way to run a game from one computer? In a face to face game, players would submit their orders to the moderator who logs them into the program for resolution, afterwards updating the public board. Does anyone know how to make this work?
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Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
Limited Libertarian Location
Thread for Libertarians to be selfish and greedy without the chiding from those on the left and right. It's our ball and we're taking it home!
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Fluminator (1500 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
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Safe space for right wing Conservatives
This is a thread for conservatives to talk away from the judging eyes of liberal progressives.
Please come in and share your feelings. This thread is going to be our home.
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Spitnaz (496 D)
27 Jun 17 UTC
Convoy question
If an army is being convoyed into territory A by a fleet in sea B and is supported into A by another unit, what happens if a fleet in Territory A is supported into Sea B?

Do they bounce because of equal force, or does the fleet from A dislodge the fleet in B before the convoy is successful?
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CAPT Brad (40 DX)
18 Jun 17 UTC
In ‘Megan Leavey,’ a Marine, Her Dog and a Bond Forged in War
i saw it today, great movie. it even gives Sen Schumer some props.
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michael_b (192 D)
27 Jun 17 UTC
New Live Game!!
Hoping to create a live game for Modern map for a change. Please join! We need 10 players!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=201108
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wpfieps (442 D)
25 Jun 17 UTC
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A new metric
I am (humorously only) proposing a new metric for judging users via their profiles, the "Likeability Metric (LM)"
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swordsman3003 (14048 D(G))
23 Jun 17 UTC
high-level gunboat - any interest?
I'd like to play a game with, say, folks who are in the top 50 gunboat players according to the ghostratings. Would we be able to put a game together?
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swagdaddy69 (100 D)
26 Jun 17 UTC
Live Game Tonight!
Bumping a live game full press.

Here is the game ID: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=201073
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slypups (1889 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
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New team-play game - PAIRS
I'm looking to set up a new team-play game on the Modern Diplomacy II map for five pairs of players to work as teams.
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Jacob63831 (160 D)
24 Jun 17 UTC
Best song
If anyone has an even better one please post it
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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
21 Jun 17 UTC
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British Safe Space
This is a thread for actual English-speakers to show their true colours, away from those bloody Americans.

If you happen to live on the first floor and need take a lift down to the pavement and fetch some aluminium foil from your car boot, this is the thread for you!
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
23 Jun 17 UTC
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Peterwiggin is in my room
what do
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Waustin (0 DX)
19 Jun 17 UTC
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A prealliance WW1 mock?
Does this sound balanced or does it need work? Obviously it doesn't require actual diplomacy but I just wanted to think about the map and how well it correlates to WW1.
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peterwiggin (15158 D)
27 Mar 17 UTC
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Spring 2017 School of War thread
This thread is for commentary and discussion on the spring 2017 School of War Game: gameID=194759
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brainbomb (290 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
Is the devil real?
Does anyone have evidence of the existence of the devil.
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Jacob63831 (160 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Why does my leg hurt?
Can someone help me?
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bakay_ilya (100 D)
23 Jun 17 UTC
hello
hi all,I came from Russian community
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Smokey Gem (154 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
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Do any females ( real ones) play dip ?
Do any women play diplomacy at F2F events or online ??

I think not..
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Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
14 Jun 17 UTC
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Why?
Discuss...
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
19 Jun 17 UTC
I hate to be that guy

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CAPT Brad (40 DX)
22 Jun 17 UTC
I can't think of anyone more backward than a modern 'progressive'.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
22 Jun 17 UTC
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"Liberals often demand we reduce/ eliminate subsidies for fossil fuels. I haven't heard of a liberal willing to compromise there. Example if a republican proposed a bill that would commit the US to reducing carbon emissions by 50% in 30 years; but protected coal subsidies would that bill pass? No."

First of all, this is a joke of an analogy, and you clearly don't actually understand how environmental protection works on an economic scale (something that many, many liberals are clueless about as well), because reducing subsidies for fossil fuels is paramount to reducing emissions. Other than major regulations, which nobody ever ends up happy with and never sticks beyond 8 years, the only way this happens is if the free market is able to dictate what sorts of energy production and what sort of energy standards are the best for consumers. That means that whatever part of the energy market is blended best with cheap products and service, reliability, accessibility, and whatever other qualities consumers want is going to be the part of the energy market that takes over. It has been shown time and time again that renewable energy sources like solar and wind can compete with fossil fuels, natural gas, coal, and other non-renewable, damaging energy sources and that the capabilities of batteries as far as storing energy goes could meet the standards of the largest buildings, the biggest warehouses, and whatever other challenge you want to throw their way. The reason that we haven't turned a corner in our energy standards and therefore cut our carbon emissions, or even committed to cutting our carbon emissions, is because the fossil fuel industry is heavily subsidized the point where it has an inherent economic advantage over its newer competitors. This will never change so long as corporate interests are walking all over our government officials, ruining the sort of connectivity with the local community that you see as so important by pushing the interests of corporate conglomerates over the interests of those communities like those in WV that would benefit hugely from reducing their financial dependence on a dying industry.

These issues are tied together in ways that so-called moderates in the USA (the rest of the world that isn't Russia calls you right-wing, by the way) do not understand. You seem to think that we can solve the problems that we have by compromising and by working together, which is so true! You forget, though, that the government is corrupted, and you forget that there are interests that are way, way above your - or my - head that are getting in the way of restoring a free market economy and allowing a socio-capitalist system to work as it is intended: free, elastic, though at times regulated with the best interests of the greatest number in mind, and widely beneficial, whether you're a low-wage worker, a CEO, or somewhere in between.

Look at the race that just took place in Georgia. The two candidates spent something like $60,000,000 on campaigning, advertisements, and whatever else - for a single spot in the House! There is absolutely no fucking way in hell that all of that money came from within that district. The mass of outside influences that worked to sway that election, from corporate interests that supported Handel to the Democratic Party for some reason thinking that a Jon Ossoff win was just the momentum they needed going into midterms in 1.5 years (why?????), made that race what it was, not the people in that community. I don't know if the people of the 6th District in Georgia wanted such a high-profile race, but it is pretty clear that in a race where Ossoff spent 6 times more than Handel, he stood a chance in a district heavily gerrymandered by Republicans to never go left again. That's what money does, and it's not coming from you and me; it's coming from people who have interests beyond the norm in mind.

There are plenty of liberals who don't acknowledge this as well, and they fuel the manipulated left-right dichotomy that you rightly believe plagues politics. If there were a large enough group of liberals and a group of conservatives that were willing to put corrupt politics aside and have discussions amongst one another, listening skeptically to the other side but listening all the same, then politics as you seem to envision could actually happen in the United States. Those people, though, in the system that exists now, would be shortly run out of power by the money that flows in every single election campaign by interests that meet behind closed doors and don't talk to constituents, or care about constituents, or even have a vested interest in the district vote they are pumping money into other than the specific person running for the seat. If you want to change that, you have to attack a different c-word: corruption. Compromise won't come until that is dealt with.
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
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I dare say Bo sox, you're sounding like a libertarian.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
22 Jun 17 UTC
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I dare say Manwe, if all it takes nowadays to be a libertarian is to say the word "free market" once in a four-paragraph response, you all could actually win an election.
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
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I was talking more about the part where you spoke of the corrupt Republican and Democrat parties being run completely by special interests with no concern for the average person and the need to free the government from their corrupting influence.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
22 Jun 17 UTC
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That's not libertarian; that's logical. There are a lot of people who aren't and never would consider themselves libertarian who would agree with that stance, and those that don't are deluding themselves. The people in DC are more concerned with keeping themselves in power, even if that takes bribery and letting special interests rule their worlds like sponsors do in NASCAR, than fixing real problems in this country. The GOP has been proving it already for decades (though the 2001-2009 Republicans look downright admirable compared to the Republicans now), and if the Democratic Party hadn't proven it before, they certainly did this past election cycle. How someone could isolate themselves onto one side of the political spectrum and blindly follow on all issues as if their political party is a religion is beyond me.
Ogion (3882 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
Are you kidding? A 50% reduction in carbon emissions in 30 years but keep coal subsidies? I would absolutely snatch that deal in a heartbeat.


And you're wrong about the longevity of regulations. Many have been around for decades and work quite well. For example most of the clean air act clean water act etc have been around decades. Yes with tweaks but changing regulations is a
Huge lift.
JamesYanik (548 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
@Ogion

the hilarious thing is conservatives who WANT subsidies for coal are still hypocrite on principle. there's very little reason to keep coal subsidies, or for ANY fossil fuels on that matter
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
22 Jun 17 UTC
Ogion, a commitment to 50% reduction in carbon emissions in 30 years but keeping fossil fuel and coal subsidies would be kind of like the UN Millennium Goals - they wrote them, they put them online, they made everyone feel all fuzzy and good inside, and literally none of them happened, nor was there any expectation from the outset that any of them would happen. A commitment is absofuckinglutely nothing if there isn't action to back it up.

The longevity of regulation varies based on the effectiveness of the regulation. Some of the more antiquated ones are simply so well ingrained in the public mindset that there's no getting rid of them, and for the most part that's a good thing.
Ogion (3882 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
Oh and the market based solutions is another good example of republicans hating republican ideas. The whole reason we have cap and trade is as a free market method to get reductions. Naturally, Democrats picked that over the more liberal option of tax and dividend precisely to appeal to conservatives because they invented it. Dumb idea. Now Republiacns hate cap and trade because Democrats agreed with them on it.
Ogion (3882 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
i presume a commitment means actions.

And some regulations have been around a long time that the public doesn't even know exist and are ineffective. Take the registry rules under TSCA. Fucking terrible and ineffective, but that's what we have
ND (879 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
Yeah no one needs coal. Let's all just pay 5k a month in electric bills. Geez.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
22 Jun 17 UTC
"i presume a commitment means actions."

https://media.giphy.com/media/y7kvOYLzas6Ag/giphy.gif
Ogion (3882 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
No, I mean a wishy washy resolution isn't a commitment, it's an aspiration. By "commitment" I assume CB meant to indicate a binding commitment. Of course a meaningless nothing isn't going to get anyone to the table.
Ogion (3882 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
For example, California has committed to a certain fraction of renewables in its electricity supply. That commitment was binding and successful so far.
Ogion (3882 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
(by the way, you can subsidize coal at current levels. It is still going to die anyway because it is expensive and terrible.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
I'm the type of guy that picks her up from work early
Takes her to breakfast, lunch, dinner, and breakfast.
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
22 Jun 17 UTC
Okay so I'm done with my piece on unity and compromise. I want to clarify my actual stance; what I'd ideally wish to see but that I'm willing to compromise on to get parts of.
-subsidize green energy
-incentivize corporations / home owners to switch to green energy through tax breaks
-slowly reduce fossil fuel subsidies except for oil.
-allocate 10% minimum of the DARPA budget to research how to make our armed forces green
-offer to subsidize car manufacturers who build and sell fully electric vehicles as long as the vehicle cost stays below a certain level. Making electric vehicles affordable.
-offer 2 years of tax breaks for gas stations, and other businesses to install charging station.


The goal is to make the US the leader in renewable energy and renewable energy tech. I want to make the US the first country with a competitively priced electric vehicle. I want to make the US military thinner and more nimble and reduce the countries overall carbon emissions by half in 10 years. I want to encourage companies like Tessa to keep making renewables sexy. (I mean did anyone else see the new roofing tiles tesla announced?) I want to make sure that areas impacted by the loss of fossil fuel jobs (gas stations, coal industry, and others) receives some support in the transition to help them navigate their changing market. I want to continue oil subsidies as so we can stay competitive on the global market, and so that the price of plastics doesn't skyrocket seperate from the green energy push.
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
22 Jun 17 UTC
The inevitability of green energy dominance is so apparent. I want to e thinking ahead and making the decisions that will keep people employed and keep the US on top.
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
Coal is not subsidized. You people that keep touting how superior renewables are to fossil fuels need to get the word out or something. I've been invested in solar companies for years, still waiting for a return.
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
22 Jun 17 UTC
It's not that renewables are superior energy. It's that coal and oil and other fossil fuels do have limited supply. They may have more energy output by weight than solar or wind. But wind and solar power are in near endless supply. So the transition is inevitable. Eventually technology will get to a point where solar and wind are comparable in energy output to coal and oil. At that point when the energy is comparable in both volume and price coal and other fossils will die. You have major companies researching and making regular gains in the area of solar power.

Remember fossil fuels are atvmax efficiency in terms of technological advancement. Solar, wind, and other renewables are no where close, but are capable of powering buildings with little noticeable differences to the occupants. So with time the world will change and the US needs to be on the fore front of that industry.
Ogion (3882 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
As and...

We see why people get tired of trying to "debate" conservatives. Step 1: cut therough the bullshit

In fact coal is subsidized by some 250 different mechanisms to the tune of a half a billion a year
. In a July 2011 EIA report on federal fossil fuel subsidies, coal was estimated to have tax expenditures (provisions in the federal tax code that reduce the tax liability of firms) with an estimated value of $561 million in FY 2010, down from $3.3 billion in FY 2007.[2]". http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Federal_coal_subsidies

Actually, CB pretty much every measure you describe has already been done )"(but why would we subsidize oil? They're the most profitable companies in history. They don't need taxpayer cash).

And actually, EVs are already cost competitive and have been for a long time. Remember you have to add in the costs of gas (about ten time the cost per mile of running an EV) and repairs (vastly higher with gas cars).

If you drive anywhere near an average amount and have a car out of warranty, eVs are cheaper than your gas car.


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Ogion (3882 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
And solar companies aren't profitable the way Amazon wasn't for a long no time. They're grabbing market share. Most tech companies do this. That's only surprising to people who don't understand startups.
Ogion (3882 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
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And the US wil not stay on top (or get to the top, since the Us is considerably behind) because Americans fetishize 19th century technologies while Germany and China are intelligently investing in the industries of th future rather than the past. The future will be won by the smart and the strongest teams. Neither is a strength of Americans
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
23 Jun 17 UTC
I got no gun, I have solar panels and a battery back up. I have two priuses, one plug in, a Honda pilot I use for vacations. I use so little electricity that the solar company wondered why I wanted panels. I have no cable or satellite. I have a paper subscription to the new York times. I babysit my grandson so my daughter can finish school. But I live in a state so off the rail that I am considered right wing. I believe in Catholic values that favor all stages of life that I adopted foster care teens, and do not believe in gay marriage; But I am considered misogynistic and sexist. This is a crazy world made worse because of the Internet and smart phones.
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
23 Jun 17 UTC
And I have always been and always will be a republican.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
23 Jun 17 UTC
@Brad …

“I believe in Catholic values that favor all stages of life that I adopted foster care teens, and do not believe in gay marriage; But I am considered misogynistic and sexist.”

Someone on this site once told me that rather than considering someone crazy or stupid or whatever for calling me certain things, I should try and understand why they’re calling me that, and not do that anymore. That doesn’t mean that people can’t crazily or stupidly call you things, but after two people, or five people, or ten people, or however many people it takes to be significant in your mind call you something, it might have substance, and you might be wrong.

@Manwe …

“Coal is not subsidized.”

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Federal_coal_subsidies

Those don’t all qualify as subsidies under my understanding of a subsidy, nor are all that would necessarily unfair or corrupt subsidies, but please check yourself.

“I've been invested in solar companies for years, still waiting for a return.”

Seems like you have a vested interest in establishing a free market for renewables. Why deny that the market is twisted? The actual effectiveness of renewables versus non-renewables is irrelevant. If you’re a libertarian, the free market, when it exists, will make that grand determination.
Ogion (3882 D)
23 Jun 17 UTC
Bo,

Setting aside that those who adopt sexist and homophobic ideologies might be vulnerable of accusations of being, well, sexist and homophobic, I'm not sure what "unfair or corrupt" has to do with the subsidies, although i'll point out that 1) Coal is heavily subsidized, however you characterize those. and 2) those subsidies in fact do tremendous harm, if only because coal cause tremendous environmental damage, causes vast health damage on innocent people, and 3) creates global catastrophic risks, so ANY subsidy of something so damaging could well be characterized as unfair (certainly to those who bear the harms but derive no benefits from them).

Of course, libertarians wouldn't oppose free markets for child sex slaves either, since the market can determine whether it is profitable and the moral consequences are irrelevant.

Of course, a "free market" is short for "free of distortions" and so long as fossil fuels do not include the total social costs (i.e., as long as the industry isn't paying for all health bills from affected people, complete restoration of all environmental harms and the full costs of climate impacts), then it isn't a free market at all.

Also, libertarian models also completely fail to understand the HUGE value of prevention relative to remediation. particularly where we do not have the capacity to remediate (e.g., species extinctions cannot be remediated, period).

Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
23 Jun 17 UTC
I've debunked this before. There are no subsidies to coal companies. Tax deductions are something everyone takes (even you and me) and is nothing unique or special. I won't consider those subsidies. Tax free loans are also not subsidies, and aren't given to coal companies anyway. The link you provided says that UTILITY companies can get these for coal plants, but that is entirely different from the coal companies getting them. But, so that this isn't even brought up anymore, you can see from the government itself that the vast majority of energy tax deductions and special loans go to renewables, so even in this manner, coal has no net advantage from the government - https://www.cbo.gov/publication/43040. If you look on Wikipedia, they separate subsidy into direct subsidies (cash grants, interest free loans)and indirect subsidies (tax incentives, low interest loans). The agriculture industry is subsidized because it receives cash grants. Only these so called indirect subsidies that aren't really subsidies in the traditional sense of the word are at play when it comes to coal companies, and they are at a net disadvantage wen you consider how many more of these their competitors get.

I have a vested interest in the companies I own making a profit. Eventually, I know these solar companies will, so I've bought into the while they are still cheap. But, all they've done is gone down since I bought them years ago, because everyone knows that we are still years away from solar being competitive with coal and natural gas.

That all being said, I agree that the tax code should be simplified so there are no deductions and credits, allowing everyone to pay the same percentage in tax. The loans are kinda necessary because the government basically runs the utility companies, but that system could probably be improved also.
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
23 Jun 17 UTC
I am not wrong

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SerbijaJeBosna (0 DX)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Foreigners
Any other Non Americans here?
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bakay_ilya (100 D)
23 Jun 17 UTC
go blitz classic
hello,boys and girls,go play blitz game
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
23 Jun 17 UTC
#BLM
Black or blue?

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/white-st-louis-cop-shot-black-off-duty-officer-then-claimed-it-was-a-friendly-fire-incident/
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CptMike (4457 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
Fair play :-)
Hello guys. I just wanted to congratulate Dagabs0 for his fairplay here agreeing to reroll after a misorder of his opponent... Fairplay.

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orathaic (1009 D(B))
21 Jun 17 UTC
Are question of morality.
Reading about anti-fa and communist resistance in Auschwitz.

Were they culpulable collavorators who didn't do enough to save the many executed? Or did they do as much as anyone could be expected to do in resisting Nazi power and surviving the camp? https://libcom.org/history/life-centurys-midnight
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
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Unsafe space
This is a thread for vile insults, vicious personal attacks, and hurtful, hurtful remarks of all kinds.
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
21 Jun 17 UTC
Who is ready to take the challenge?
I'll boycott liberal media and read only right wing shit if one of y'all agree to read only left wing media. The challenge is only for a week. Anyone accept?
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