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Durga (3609 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
Need replacement
gameID=194126 if you're willing to replace me in this and/or in the study group game please message me. It's a solid position if you can get past the meta that's totally not happening.
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CptMike (4457 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
Elo in 1v1
I tried to understand but it was hard. In 1v1, is the following correct ?
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brainbomb (290 D)
01 Apr 17 UTC
Is Joel Osteen secretly evil?
Ive been wondering if hidden behind his smiles and sermons if this man is actually an evil homophobe. He very quietly was against the LGBT laws. And has never mentioned those views in his sermons.
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jwalters93 (288 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
I haven't been active on this site since 2014
lol here goes

I don't even know why I'm posting
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
31 Mar 17 UTC
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What are the good things about other sites?
With the ODC, we have a lot of players playing at PlayDiplomacy. And, I'm sure many of our membership play on other sites as well as webdip.

What are the features you really like from those sites that you wish webdiplomacy had?
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Claesar (4660 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
Please comment on my decision(s)
Gunboat last night.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=195502
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
05 Apr 17 UTC
CHALLENGE
I am challenging anyone sorry enough to want to take me on to classic dip game. Bet is 50. If you got what it takes the password is my favorite disease all lowercase. gameID=195406 (please don't give away PW)
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
05 Apr 17 UTC
Should Murica do anything in Syria to stop gas attacks?
So many armed groups exist in Syria. Is it too risky for America to get involved?
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Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
No. That's the U.N.'s responsibility.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
05 Apr 17 UTC
Nobody would be talking about overthrowing Assad if it weren't for the use of chemical weapons. Unless he feels totally safe in his castle or whatever, why would he continually use them? It has happened so often that it hardly counts as psychological anymore.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
05 Apr 17 UTC
The UN is funded heavily by the US, Manwe. Other nations need to pull their weight in the UN funding game before they start acting like the world's police force.
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
I agree.
Hauta (1618 D(S))
05 Apr 17 UTC
Would you change your mind if Assad created death camps?
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
No.
Ogion (3882 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
So much for the duty to protect. Yes, the UN is the worlds police force but it is

And the US contributes 22% of the UN budget but makes up 25% of global GDP. It'd be nice if the auS started pulling its weight
Hauta (1618 D(S))
05 Apr 17 UTC
@manwe, what's the difference between a death camp run by Assad and one run by Hitler?
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
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If you know that your neighbor down the street is participating in human trafficking and probably has a poor woman locked up in his basement, do you have the right to go into his house, arrest him, and enforce punishment on him? No. What you can do is call the police though and have them handle the situation. Acting beyond our jurisdiction is a large part of the reason why America has obtained such a bad rep in many parts of the world. It'a not that we don't do enough, it's that we do too much.

We contribute 22% to the global peacekeeping organization yet only have 4.4% of the world's population living in our country. Sounds like it's time to slash U.N. contributions by 80%.
Hauta (1618 D(S))
05 Apr 17 UTC
A better analogy would be, "Can someone use deadly force to protect another, if he reasonably and honestly believes that the third party is in immediate danger of serious bodily harm or death and that deadly force is the only way to protect them from danger". The answer to this is generally, yes. The distinction, I believe, is the immediacy of the danger.
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
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I'm not disagreeing with protecting those being oppressed and threatened by their own government. I'' disagreeing about the avenue you take to do that though. The U.N. has the authority to enter a sovereign nation to carry out this task. One country acting unilaterally does not. If you are going to allow individual counties to decide on their own when the citizens of another country are being "oppressed" and in need of "liberation", what is to stop a country like Russia from "liberating" a part of a country like Crimea from an "oppressive" government like Ukraine? This is the whole purpose of he U.N., and so it is is the conduit you must go through when situations like these arise.
JamesYanik (548 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
@Hauta

but then the problem is it turns out the old lady in the basement actually is also a psychopath and she starts tying up new people in the basement at a much faster rate than the first guy.
JamesYanik (548 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
there's only one solution

https://d1sui4xqepm0ps.cloudfront.net/is-this-meme-racist-full.jpg?image=cdn
Hauta (1618 D(S))
05 Apr 17 UTC
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Haven't you heard, the Russians have a veto on the security council so the chances of U.N. intervention are pretty much nil. Also, I don't know if your opinion is different if Assad builds extermination camps. Will you still cling to your legalistic rationale for non-intervention?
Hauta (1618 D(S))
05 Apr 17 UTC
@James, sounds like you saw "Get Out!"
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
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The world is currently operating how I think you believe it should, not how I believe it should. Currently, countries are unilaterally invading each other willy nilly with no restraints. The reasons espoused for the invasions are widespread and a great many fall under the category of doing it to free the oppressed people of the lands. This is a dangerous way to legislate peace, though, as it has allowed for nothing but vacuums to spring up and power hungry nations to justify land grabs.

If I could wave a magic wand and change things, tthe U.N. would be much stronger in terms of what it could do, an unanimous vote would not be required to take an action, every country would be required to send contributions in relation to the size of their population, and any other modifications would be enacted so that the body could properly function and promote peace and stability like it is supposed to.
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
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I don't hold a non-interventionist approach. I hold a non-unilateral action approach. If something is to be done, it should be through the U.N.. This is true no matter what the offense is.
Ogion (3882 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
"We contribute 22% to the global peacekeeping organization yet only have 4.4% of the world's population living in our country. Sounds like it's time to slash U.N. contributions by 80%. "
Wow. your privilege is showing. Definitely, starving kids in Africa should contribute exactly the same as Zuckerberg. Yeah, gotta love that inerring American moral judgment
JamesYanik (548 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
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i don't even like Trump but this is still one of my favorite responses to pretty much anything

https://d1sui4xqepm0ps.cloudfront.net/is-this-meme-racist-full.jpg?image=cdn
Hauta (1618 D(S))
05 Apr 17 UTC
@Manwe, your final solution pretty much binds the hands of the virtuous (as they wait for UN approval that will never happen) and leaves them free for the evil (who don't ask permission and don't ask forgiveness). Your views are truly disappointing as you seem to have learned nothing from the Holocaust, or even worse, don't care.
Hauta (1618 D(S))
05 Apr 17 UTC
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@James, 2 times with that link? You got that thing monetized?
JamesYanik (548 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
he says referring to the one topic that is always demonetized
JamesYanik (548 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
at least Trump isn't happy with Assad

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/trump-syria-unacceptable-us-military-response
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
Just saw on the news that the U.N. Security council is conducting meetings right now about this very topic.
Hauta (1618 D(S))
05 Apr 17 UTC
No consensus. Surprise surprise... and you still haven't clarified whether you would have taken unilateral action to stop the holocaust.
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
06 Apr 17 UTC
I would have first tried to go through the league of nations. It was also too weak and shouldn't have allowed the axis powers to leave it in the 1930s. Because of the ineffectiveness of the league, I would have considered unilaterally entering into Germany to stop its atrocious government. But, that is declaring a war against a country that has not done anything to yours, so it is not an act to take lightly.

The U.N. should be the primary path to take to solve humanitarian crises, when/if it proves to be completely incapable of doing so, I could consider unilateral action.

I dislike one government enforcing its will against another with no checks or balances because it can lead to atrocities where none previously existed, but I can see justifications for it when the latter government is violating the natural rights of its citizens.
As much as I'd like to do something, I don't think the Bozo-in-Chief is up to the task.
Ogion (3882 D)
06 Apr 17 UTC
In principle, you're right, Manwe, but we also live in a political reality where realtively minor dictatorships have a veto, while major democracies do not, entirely for historical reasons. Given that structure, we need to take account of that in deciding when to act.
stefanodangello (315 D)
06 Apr 17 UTC
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@Ogion '[...]but the Assad regime has always been a brutal regime with a history of massacring whole villages and torturing and murdering tens of thousands of political opponents.' I beg to disagree. His father's regime was precisely what you describe, and his uncle, who oversaw the massacre at Hama in 1982, is a psychopath.

Even though Bashar al-Assad did upset those hopeful of changing times, after the surpsingly open first year of his presidency (called back then Damascus Spring), these words are way too harsh to describe his government, at least up until 2011.

Now, two other things should be considered. As has been lengthly exposed around here years ago, the Western liberal democracy is not a Heaven-sent institution. It took centuries for feudal loyalties and levy armies to be replaced by a standing state bureaucracy and armies, and it was after the notion of the modern state was firmly established that we eventually developed the modern democracy.

On the other hand, tribal loyalties were one of the main political forces in action in Middle Eastern territories ruled by the Ottomans in the beginning of the last century, and the concept of a standing state bureaucracy was at best being presented to them by the time the Great War was over.

Furthermore, while many have used this as an unreasonable justification for their acts, such as Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait, it can't be denied these countries did not exist prior to the League of Nations mandates and thus had no previous national identity. For instance, to deal with this problem, King Idris as-Senussi (King of Libya from independence, in 1951, to 1969) resorted to fostering loyalty to his person and to the institution of monarchy.

He was well aware that Libya had never been ruled as a single country (the Italians, like the Ottomans before them, administered Tripolitania and Cyrenaica as separate things), and was virtually oblivious to the very concept of a modern state, relying instead on its ancient tribal institutions (https://www.amazon.com/History-Modern-Libya-Dirk-Vandewalle/dp/1107615747 excellent book, by the way).

Gaddafi, in spite of all his oddities and abhorrent actions (namely, for instance, Lockerbie), realized this as well. No one with meaningful knowledge of Lybia is surprised by its collapse as a state after his demise.

While Syria is somewhat different, one who is not a professional scholar about Syria can't say the exact number of coups, cabinets and constitutions the country had from 1945 to 1967, when the Baath party took power.

Is the rule of Hafez al-Assad to be celebrated? Certainly not. But one can't expect poverty-stricken former colonies of European powers, whose frontiers were drafted in London and Paris, whose cultural identities as countries simply did not exist, with no previous experience whatsoever with the core concepts and principles of liberal western democracies and/or the very concept of a state bureaucracy to suddenly become modern and stable countries.

To add to this already unrealistic expectation, it should be considered that these nations were in the centre of heated disputes in the Cold War and both the US and the Soviet Unions were heavy players in the region, in a time of globalization as never seen before. Not even the Lebanese democracy survived, and its collapse was certainly very unpleasant to those around.


Now, to the matter at hand. Admittedly, I didn't read about recent developments. However, I do recall Obama trying to argue his case for American intervention claiming Assad had used chemical weapons, and having the UN report state that they could not be sure of who had used these weapons. Conventional logic, considering this would be the only single thing to justify an american intervention and that the military gain of the limited use of such weapons back them was irrelevant, leads one to question whether or not the government was the one to blame.

Still, I find it absolutely amusing how you consistently blame the Assad administration for the whole chaos that developed and turn a blind eye to the fact that NATO did provide a considerable amount of weapons to the rebels, and that Saudi Arabia, while being virtually shielded from criticism by its powerful Western allies, sponsors a large number of radical groups in the region.

Also, the toppling of Mohammed Mossadegh's government, in 1953, in a CIA-lead coup in which media manipulation and a few bribes manage to create a general uprising against a previously popular and respected leader, despite the fact that he did truly represent the interests of the Iranian people, seems to me a clear indication that not all insurrections are legitimate. The CIA had to declassify these documents in 2013. There is virtually no doubt that the CIA managed to orchestrate that. It would be ludicrously naïve, at best, to assume they've abandoned this successful strategy.

Lastly, though, I wonder how the Western media-lead public opinion was taught to fear religious Muslim groups ruling countries, and yet applauds Western successful efforts to oust their secular political opponents. Like when the Muslim Brotherhood won the elections in Egypt. Well, Mubarak represented a secular government, just as Saddam Hussein or Assad.

What exactly do you expect to happen when you shatter the non-religious anti-Western (no longer Mubarak's case, by the way) alternative? Pro-Western secular governments such as Farouk's, Idris' or (the particularly bloody) Mohammed Reza Pahlavi's are clearly not trendy, for very understandable reasons.
Also, for those of you arguing for an intervention regardless of what can be reached within the UN (I'm still baffled, as I was a child back then, at how the US got away with the outrageous invasion of Iraq. Legally speaking, that was simply an absurd. In practical terms, I'm confident you realize that the present overall instability in the Middle East has its roots in the said invasion), I strongly suggest reading the UN Charter: http://www.un.org/en/charter-united-nations/index.html

I'd pinpoint relevant articles, as I've read it countless times (MUN's can be useful!), but not in the mood. Still, Chapters 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 and 8 can be very useful.

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MyxIsMe (511 D)
06 Apr 17 UTC
Is this variant in beta?
It looks awesome and I'd like to try it.

gameID=187517
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
03 Apr 17 UTC
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US not all about Trump
Congress sellin out your privacy: http://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-to-keep-your-internet-history-private
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brainbomb (290 D)
06 Apr 17 UTC
Meat-Gamey
Can someone explain to me what this is because I don't understand it. Is not wanting to eat meat because you've had bad experiences with its flavour in other time periods a reason to be investigated by the FDA? If so, aren't all meats fucked?
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Presbyter7787 (95 D)
06 Apr 17 UTC
How Does the Website Assign Nations to Players?
It seems like when I join a number of games at nearly the same time, I get the same country if I'm playing the same variant.Is this because the game assign your country by when you join if noone else has that country, or is it simple coincidence? Thanks!
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Ogion (3882 D)
01 Apr 17 UTC
Block player feature
I was wondering about a "block player feature" so that people can avoid particularly unpleasant players. Should you block a player, you can't join a game with them in it and they can't join with you in it. I'd imagine that'd last for that game as long as the player is in it to prevent fishing for identities
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Durga (3609 D)
06 Apr 17 UTC
Meta-gaming
Can someone explain to me what this is because I don't understand it. Is not wanting to ally with a player because you've had bad experiences with their stability in other games a reason to be investigated for meta? If so, aren't all non-anon games fucked?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
06 Apr 17 UTC
Not black and white
Abortion rights and right to life (in America) http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2017/04/when_does_life_begin_outside_the_christian_right_the_answer_is_over_time.html

Only shades of grey...
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Durga (3609 D)
03 Apr 17 UTC
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7 day phase game
Hey guys I'm looking to run a game with a 7 day phase length. I understand this isn't everyone's cup of tea but if you're interested I'd love to play with you.
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Omni1776 (100 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
Newbie question about phases
I'm just learning about this game, but it sounds great. I'm trying to set up a game with some friends, but I'm not sure about all of the settings. If I set the phase length to one day, does that mean we have a day for diplomacy before all the moves occur, then another day to set retreats, and another day for build, so that there could be three days between attacks?
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Benjamin Franklin (712 D(G))
05 Apr 17 UTC
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How ti search the forum?
I cant find instructions in the help area... so....what am i missing?
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Egathetos (207 D)
31 Mar 17 UTC
Rap comms
Are we allowed to advertise new games? If so, I have just created a game called Rap Comms only.
It does what it says on the tin. Whatever you post on the board has to be in some kind of Rhyme.
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
04 Apr 17 UTC
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April GR Published
Run Wild, young padawans

https://sites.google.com/site/phpdiplomacytournaments/theghost-ratingslist
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Matticus13 (2844 D)
04 Apr 17 UTC
Colonial Diplomacy: The first official variant
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30277 (you have to use the entire link)
Just completed​ my first match of Colonial Diplomacy. What are your thoughts on the first official variant?
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Octavious (2701 D)
04 Apr 17 UTC
Meanwhile, in the British Labour Party...
...the party of opposition is doing what it does best. Oppose itself.
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David E. Cohen (100 D)
29 Mar 17 UTC
Calhamer Estate Sale
See below.
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
03 Apr 17 UTC
8 hour challenge
Anyone interested in a game with 8-hour phase? I played a 4 hour game by accident and it was a brutal 3 days, submitting moves in the dead of night (when only Devin Nunes was awake)! I was thinking that 8 hours is challenging but not insane. Any takers?
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brainbomb (290 D)
02 Apr 17 UTC
People from Liechtenstein
So would people from here be referred to as Liechtensteinians? That seems like a horrendously long slang. Anyone from central europe have an insight on this? Same question applies to Luxembourg (luxembourgians?).
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
01 Apr 17 UTC
Racism in America
How does America perpetuate White economic dominance? Affirmative action seems to work against it and there seem to be plenty of rules about fair housing, etc. What needs to be done to truly level the playing field?
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
03 Apr 17 UTC
why does it say for me that there are no joinable games?
sometimes I see that there are 6 pages of joinable games but I am unable to page forward or actually see more than 2-3. wazzup with that?
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
01 Apr 17 UTC
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Zultar is Retiring from webDip
See inside.
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Peregrine Falcon (9010 D(S))
30 Mar 17 UTC
New Anon, Full Press game
gameID=194961
A player asked us to have their anonymous game advertised on the forum in order to keep the game fully anon. The details are below.
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brainbomb (290 D)
02 Apr 17 UTC
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How do you feel about anal
Retentive people?
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