"Gobbledydook, that's my point. Under socialism, these two professions would be paid the same despite the vast disparity in effort required."

Wage negotiations don't end under socialism.

He was allotted 3 days stay to observe them in the way they handled child birth so that he could write an article promoting naturalistic over industrial child birth. He was kicked out because he stayed longer and became a center of gravity that distracted others from working. I suggest you reread the article.

What's ironic is that leon's always going on about how the source isn't as important as the facts, but even then he jumbles the facts when they're behind walls of opinionated biased texts, and he uses the opinion worn on the source's sleeve more than the facts.

@bo_sox I would rather work as a videogame tester for $55,000 than an accountant for $60,000.

Whatever job you feel more passionate about. Because that's also part of the real value in finding a job, is getting one you can be passionate about. Like Sanders when he kept going job to job until he found his passion in politics.

You get paid $55k to test video games???

@leon ... then work as a video game tester instead of an accountant.

TrPrado, it's not about your or my own passion. It's about the value created and the demand for your service. There are only so many video game testing jobs.

abgemacht, under a socialist economy, that could very well be the case.

bo_sox, see above.

@TrPrado re: Bernie Sanders, Sander's spirit of revolution is now distracting all of America. Rather than blaming their own incompetence, the scum of society now blames the government and "inequality".

Supply and demand still exist under socialist governments. A CEO is still going to be paid more than a 17-year-old that pays no bills and lives in mom and dad's 8000 square foot house, and a CEO will still be able to negotiate his wage upon being hired while said 17-year-old won't.

"TrPrado, it's not about your or my own passion."
How sad. I'll probably be working for just over 30k out of college in a job in demand everywhere across the country. I'll be doing it because it's fulfilling spiritually. If you're not doing something you love, you'll be pretty miserable. Passion is an important part in what you want to do with the REST OF YOUR LIFE!

Lol, consider yourself lucky if you're making above 20 a year out of college.

Never ever take those last four words lightly.

I have a theory that people that end up as conservative as leon were the ones who completely ignored what they wanted to do and did exactly what the words on the slip of fancy paper they were given out of school told them to do for more money, and as a result, all they care about is money.

OK everyone can calm down. I did some research and it turns out QAing video games is actually not that much fun.

the more you talk bo, the more I realize you are the right kind of human being.

Oh come on brainbomb, I opened this thread again expecting something to put on my profile from you and all I got was a fucking compliment.

I had a parody of this thread, loaded up and ready to go earlier.
I opted not to post it because I think people had enough of those.

Here it is:

"leon1122 kicked out of hippie commune for being conservative
http://freebeacon.com/politics/leon1122-loves-bad-policies-hippie-commune/

Raises the question in my mind of what will be done (if anything) with people who refuse to work in the leon1122 society; leon and his love the rich fuck the poor supporters wish to impose a tax free society where we dont have cops, roads, or firefighters. Forced labor camps, sure, why not, maybe bring back child labor and slavery too? Expulsion from the country, oh yea, leon is all about the country being 40 yr old white men again. Revocation of their EBT card and Section 8 subsidies, sure? Or nothing?"

Aww, you had a great realistic one with "Everyone working jobs they unequivocally hate just because it earns them shit tons of money?"

bo_sox, then they aren't completely socialist yet. It's called creeping socialism. And socialism by definition tampers the free market and thus supply and demand.

TrPrado, congratulations on taking that quote completely out of context. I was saying that we need to look at the broad picture of the human nature rather than you telling me that I need to follow my passions. Sure, people can pursue their passions. Just don't expect equal pay and job opportunities.

bo_sux, Economic conservatives are rational thinkers who see through the idealism and revolutionary fad of communism.

Abgemacht, fine then. How about firefighter.

brainbomb, nice story.

TrPrado, for the last time, it's about supply and demand. Not everyone can be what they want to be in life.

I can. and I did. I choose to be whatever I want and I feel no calling or vocation to be some doctor or police officer or soldier. Those are all boring. I'm here for other things, and if you know who you are; be that.

Dont try to pretend you are someone else. Its stupid. You may think I am crazy, or contrived, but in many ways I am all those things. However, I also am able to be that way because I am quite content with being silly.

Oh, do you think I want pure wage equality or something? I kind of like mild social stratification. Social order rah rah.

I'm fine with showing the rest of the world how amazing America is by letting millions of people die on the streets in poverty and starvation.

that sounds like the kind of America we want...

Uggggghhhhhh, to frame my point of view, I really like the German economic model, the social market economy. I like the idea of a capitalist model being used to grow the economy and serve the interests of everyone. With that in mind, leon's economics hurt me spiritually. When he gets into base-level stuff he makes me want to protect the socialists because, for example, the modern socialist movement began with genuine economic critiques of the capitalist models of the time, using the ideas of supply and demand to argue against capitalism. On the other hand, when he gets into a little deeper stuff, like international trade, he brings out my inner capitalist economist to tell him he really just doesn't get it. He needs to take a lot more history and economics courses from teachers of various views and opinions. He's not going to learn everything he needs in those fields from us, but until he learns, he hurts my head with his entry-level understanding of how these concepts work.

What happened to goldfinger? He's an economist, right?

brainbomb, I do intend to follow my passion, which happens to be in a growing industry. However, I recognize that it will not pay as much as some other jobs might, and I accept that. However, I would not become a hamburger flipper and demand $15 minimum wage or enter an already over-saturated sector and expect employment.

There are only 500,000 homeless people in America, so I don't know how millions of them could be dying on the street. Exaggeration does not help your case.

TrPrado, as I said, creeping socialism. I don't think your definition of mild is the same as mine.

"he makes me want to protect the socialists"

I think webDiplomacy's forums have radicalized both of us. I used to consider myself a moderate Democrat, but I've slowly shifted to the right and then sharply after I entered the political discussions.

"teachers of various views and opinions"

I certainly won't get that where I live. There's probably not a single conservative teacher at my school, and Donald Trump is mocked in class and at school assemblies.