I think he is a Cultist. Because he has shown that he is no traitor and is particularly interested in focusing all his efforts on trying to find the vig

@Mr A, while we waste time with the Vig, the masons are reproducing. It's more important to keep their numbers down, potentially even completely preventing their growth.

@Jamie: I have already explained repeatedly why traitor efforts should be focused on finding cultists/masons. Go read my previous analysis.

@ xorxes you make it sound like the masons meet up at night and vote on who to have sex with. Eww.

@guak: Once again, if we have a good read on the vig. It's best to kill them simply because they aren't mafia. Also, you do realize by lynching not a traitor but not a town PR we have a 50% chance to kill mafia. Which is an insanely high risk. Also, it isn't "trading a mafia PR for a mason" as you say, it's killing them using an idiotic method.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be great to kill a mason. I'm fine with this, but a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. And we have a bird in hand with bo, or a reasonable estimate on the vig's identity.

Still, feel free to search for masons, but don't also discourage looking for town PRs when we actually have a viable method for doing so.

guak, don't you think lynching a mason should have higher priority than lynching a cultist? The cult leaders don't reproduce, so even if he is one, killing him tomorrow won't make much difference. Killing a mason now is much more valuable than killing him tomorrow, because it gives them more opportunity to reproduce, as it's much less likely they will both be killed tonight.

Oh cross-page corrections.

That we should try to lynch mason over other town PRs, I agree. But neither my suspicion of Balki or the situation with bo are strong enough to warrant a lynch over delarosa IMO. If we come to the point where I believe one of them is more likely to be mason then delarosa the vig, I will switch my vote.

Until and if Bo deigns to explain himself, he is basically admitting being town, so he has a very good chance of being a mason.

@Brainbomb I have your case on "track" and "community." I see little of use in it. It is understandable confusion from the game set-up. But I do see use in your request, and used the reread to collect some of your own more curious comments on this game's scum. I may release them later on. Note: Some of the quotes are more worthless than the others.

Balki's (shockingly) still full of shit.

"Let's all be conscious of when people argue by offering strong logic, versus when they argue by flinging strong adjectives."
He quotes three theses I followed with evidence as if I didn't follow them with evidence. Add misleading rhetoric to the list of offenses.

"I have expounded at length about why I think this game (and in particular, this Day 1) is very different. You have not responded to my arguments, you've just asserted that Balki knows it's really the same. I don't know it's the same. I don't agree that it's the same."
Balki *does* know it's the same. Or maybe he's just not as smart as I thought he was, but I don't think that's the case. The purpose of day one has never been to catch scum. That's just a nice bonus if it happens. The purpose of day one is to give us things to look back on and analyze as we gain more information elsewhere. There are people collaborating in this game as much as there are in any other. Wasting day one just delays the starting of the clock and puts the game more heavily in favor of the other teams.

"No it doesn't. Not if I'm a halfway decent player. The smart move as Cult Leader/Mason is to stay in the shadows. That is how to avoid getting lynched when playing Webdip Mafia. It's a sad indictment of the meta on this site, but it's true."
There's a fecal trend in these arguments. Staying in the shadows is a good way to not get yourself lynched in the short term, but the game needs accurate influence or they will lose. This is just as much a part of our meta. Good players don't just shut up when they're scum, and for good reason. The game is more complex than that, and the only reason that Balki's claiming it's not is because it fits his narrative.

"That is false. I absolutely never said that. I said and implied that I have been contrarian and outspoken, not that I have 'allowed plenty of information to be exposed about' myself."
I never said I was quoting Balki, so it's pretty disingenuous of him to act as if I was. I'll quote him now though:
"I think it's fair to say that I have been vocal in explaining my unique and controversial understanding of this setup and correct strategy. Is that not a data point that flies in the face of your unsupported assertion about me: 'everything else he's said has been about limiting information and protecting himself to the detriment of that information'?" p15
This is pretty clearly him arguing that he hasn't been trying to limit information about himself. As I explained before, discussing process doesn't reveal information about you, unless, as it is in this case, you're coupling it with attempts to actively push people into that bad strategy with end votes and faux-random lynch suggestions and using it to avoid doing any actual scumhunting.

Get on this damn wagon, people.

There were few mentions of directly tracking the game or the Tracker. There were no direct mentions of "community."

ghug: “I gotta shower and then I'll actually read the thread.”
Flum: “I have never done a game like this before, I feel like a newcomer.”
Y2k: “i don't like this setup, i don't even know what to base a vote on, what does it even mean to sound scummy right now?”
OBG: “I am having trouble wrapping my head around changing player alignments.”
Guak: “Can we shut up brainbomb? This game is confusing enough without his ramblings and and crazy commentaries.”
Delarosa: “lurkers are so powerful here, there is 19 people, its hard to TRACK who is active and who is not. Lurking will just keep prying eyes away. Thats why we must dig them out”
“my puny brain can't comprehend this funny arguement :P”
Jamie: “I do not understand brainbomb's vote for Chaqa” (neither do I)
Brain: On scumreads “1. Chaqa - anchored to bo and vanished. could be a bus, and/or a coordinated plan by masons to remove TRACKER from relevance. as tracker could actually be harmful to them.”
Claeser: “I have no experience playing Mafia with any of you, but it seems some of you like randomness.”
Xorxes: “@brainbomb: but none of those were at risk, were they?”
Honorable Mention: OBG’s cookie metaphor. CIFOM. Haha.

I would like to emphasize Guak's quote. It is particularly revealing of this game at the moment.

Yes.

@ghug I agree with you. Balki has mostly dismissed the arguments against him, because there can't be sufficient evidence to be sure. If no one ends up on delarosa, I will switch back to Balki.

@Mr. Asimov,

Out of curiosity, you agree with what exactly? You think I am what role and for what reason?

From your post, it seems like you think I am X because I was dismissive of arguments against me?

That seems odd. Dismissive how? I feel like I've spent an awful lot of time to respond directly to "cases" against me. You think I am dismissive? Okay, how am I dismissive? And if I am dismissive, how is that alignment indicative in this format?

Very curious to hear your thinking on this, as I truly do not understand your point.

Balki, your rebuttal to all of those pointing the FOS at you is "that's not alignment indicative". When in these games is anything short of a hard claim or unambiguous caught-in-a-lie moment alignment probative? We have to go on small indicators that are alignment irregular. If you were aligned with mafia (i.e. traitors) you would not sincerely advocate a last-poster lynch with a hammer chaser. It's that simple.

It was a sincere proposal you made right?

@xorxes: killing off one of the reproductive parties is what I want. I do not agree that masons are necessarily more dangerous than cultists. I am happier going after someone who I think has a very strong chance of being cultist than after someone who has a very low chance of being a mason. I do not think Bo is a mason. Also, your push for masons but not for cultist is making me think you may be a cultist youself

@Balki

"Out of curiosity, you agree with what exactly?"
If I could refer you to his first and last two line of his most recent post. It is a clear way to put it, though I don't like cursing.

"You think I am what role and for what reason?"
Don't know. Scum. The sum of your posts has left me with that. I could not name a specific role, but I don't believe any of your other accusers has done so either.

"Dismissive how?"
Yes, you have spent a great amount of time addressing the "cases" against you. By your own admission, we do not have cases against you, but reason and experience (of others) have led us to suspect you on this day when there is close to no evidence for any case to be crafted.
By dismissive, it may be more poor word choice since that is what caught your attention. I merely meant that your tone seems to look down on the fact that anyone can suspect you with no hard evidence. This is understandable, but not what I meant to emphasize. I do read and consider your responses.

Yes, it was a sincere proposal. As I've explained, I don't think this format allows us to make meaningful distinctions on Day 1, as everyone's motives are basically the same. So I was interested in a reason for votes to coalesce around one player other than me. So why not last to post?

Then Bo did something unexpected. He made a mistake that a Townie PR or Mason is more likely than anyone else to make. I have advocated for his lynch ever since.

Of course I agree that we must make decisions based on imperfect information, and an argument that behavior has a slight tendency to suggest alignment is good support for a lynch. But when I say "is not alignment indicative," I mean "has zero privatize value and is consistent with all alignments."

I have not seen any action, or heard any argument about any action that is actually alignment indicative except for the Bo statement that he is trying to lynch Mafia PRs. Part of that is a function of a fact that I think we all have almost the same perceptible motives on this first day, and so there's not much that should set someone apart.

Yo Isaac, what's your mafia experience?

Chaqa, please do something useful please or I'm not moving my vote.

I also need to start making mental images of all the new players soon so they stick out more.

@ghug I've played once with some younger cousins. FTF. I've thoroughly read and followed the past few games and related QT's.
@Flum I'm 17, and a brown-hair, blue-eyed Adonis. I really like Rubik's cubes. I'm studying to be a meteorologist. Tolkein is my favorite author.

bo, where are you? If you are actually online you may want to put on some defense.

Ok.
Xorxes is the resistance player who spent a long time at the beginning worrying about helping mafia because he may get recruited. At this point he seems fine with helping mafia.
Did something change your mind Xorxes?

Isaac is someone who hasn't posted much, but is a fan of Tolkein so he's probably an alright guy.
You said, "It is clear to many of us that y2k's shooter is one of us new folks."
Really? Can you expand on that?

Claesar is someone who had a page of notes by page 6? Wow. He seems to speak as if he knows what he's doing. Have you played mafia on other sites before Claesar?

He's also doing a bizarre strategy of defending himself from hypothetical arguments.

Have to go now.
Don't worry delarosa, I'll read you too. ;)