https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdAOeS7NJWs
GUNBOAT - WORLD - CAT - LOVE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdAOeS7NJWs
GUNBOAT - WORLD - CAT - LOVE
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gameID=168726 (1/17)
gameID=168728 (1/17)
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got it sorry for all of that

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YOU CAN NOT HANDLE this world map game. Do not even try to join it. The sheer magnitude of genius that it would take to play against the players in this game is far beyond your feeble wits.

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CLASSIC Three players needed full press anon WTA 80%RR 24 hrs 20pts
Starts tonight! (Tuesday)

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Gunboat

bump

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Introducing some people to the game, but I need extra players. The password is Keaton. WTA, anonymous, 2 days per phase. 50 pts to join.

What is the point of a passworded game where the password is in the title of the game? Why not just go for a non-passworded game?

Because people that know each other are supposed to only play in password protected games.

Yeah but if the password is so clearly advertised then that rule becomes pointless.

You are missing the point of the rule. The point is that any time you join a non-password protected game, you should feel assured you are not playing with folks that know each other in real life. In these cases, the password is not to keep people out, it is to forewarn anyone about to casually join the game that there might be people in that game that know each other.

I feel a little strange explaining this to you when you've been a member since 2009 and I just joined this year. Perhaps I'm wrong. Never mind.

But lots of passworded games *don't* have RL friends in them.

Can a mod advise please?

I think it's talked about in rule two, which I've never actually read before either. It looks to be one of those rules that could inspire hours of debate about what the implications are if people knew about it, so on that happy note I'm off :p.

I love pedantic debates about rules.

WHERE ARE THE MODS?

I DEMAND JUSTICE

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=169198

JUSTICE IS IN SHORT SUPPLY

The mods deafening silence indicates agreement with me.

Deinodon is correct.

In this case, iRidePigs mentioned that he is introducing some players to the game, so a reasonable player can assume that the game was:

1) Originally created with the intention of keeping the password private
2) Contains two or more people who know each other
3) Is a teaching game, so players can expect a somewhat low level of play

However, assuming that ALL password protected games contain players who know each other is incorrect. For example, see "every game in the gunboat tournament, ODC tournament, the Leagues, Masters, etc."

Also, despite our best efforts on the mod side, it is also technically incorrect to assume that all NON-passworded games DO NOT contain players who know each other in real life. Public games can always contain cheaters. Public games can also contain real life friends at any given time. However, since metagaming only becomes metagaming if that friendship is used as a pretense for an alliance or in-game action, plenty of public games can, again, technically contain real life friends. Admittedly, this is a grey area, but mods can pretty easily spot metagaming in all its forms.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=169198

Yes, 2WL, that is exactly as I understood it.

"Because people that know each other are supposed to only play in password protected games."

True. On the other hand, I personally know several players on the site, but it doesn't affect how I play the game if I'm in a public game with them. I rarely play public games anyway, and I play poorly either way. This is the grey area inherent in the metagaming rule. For sake of simplicity, its much easier to tell players to not play publicly with other friends.

Players on this site also get to know each other to a certain extent after years of playing. I don't know someone like President Eden, for example, personally, but I've played enough and spoken enough with him to basically say that I do.

On the other hand, jamiet does raise a good point - if a password exists but is made public, is it a truly private game? If so, does the advertising player need to disclose any in-game relationships? We don't detail this in the rule, but again, a reasonable player might assume that there are a group of friends in this game. Although, to be fair, the password could also be a means of publicizing the game but adding the most simple filter possible to who joins.

I think what the password does is it prevents a casual browser from joining the game when looking under the "new games" tab without having any hint that there might be close friends playing in that game.

Also, when I am talking about people that know each other, I'm talking about family, and friends from work or school or other aspects of your everyday life. I'm not talking about someone you have struck up an acquaintance with from playing diplomacy online.

We're considering adding a "friends" game mode, which would more clearly make the distinction between games that are passworded for practical reasons and games that are passworded because of the site rules where people who know each other off-site aren't permitted to play in public games together.

Such games could also be exempt from ratings calculations, which would be nice.

I definitely support that, but it should just be called "unranked". There are plenty of reasons why some people wouldn't want specific games to be ranked, like practice, or experiments.

"Such games could also be exempt from ratings calculations, which would be nice."

this should be a option in the games creation menu anyway, for every type of game