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Sago (101 D)
25 Jan 16 UTC
Seeking player for Argentina in UN roleplaying game!!
You want a different dip? You like the diplomatic part of diplomacy? Argentina's president is sleeping, and if he/she doesn't wake up there'll be a spot open. Then maybe this game is or you. The main thing is to be active in he global forum in a very slow world game.

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spyman (424 D(G))
24 Jan 16 UTC
JDip on Windows 10
I tried to install JDip the other day but I couldn't get it to work on Windows 10. It used to work on Windows 7 I think (unless I am thinking of XP).
Anybody had any luck getting JDip to work on Windows 10?
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JimTheGrey (968 D(S))
24 Jan 16 UTC
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2016 World Diplomacy Championship
The 2016 World Diplomacy Championship at Weasel Moot X kicks off exactly five months from today, and we in Chicago can’t wait.
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spyman (424 D(G))
23 Jan 16 UTC
vDiplomacy Features
I have just started playing Diplomacy at vDiplomacy, and I must say I have been pleasantly surprised by a number of vDiplomacy innovations that don't appear to be available on webdiplomacy. Are there plans to introduce some of the same features here?
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
19 Jan 16 UTC
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Best Musical Act Tournament Redux
See inside for details.
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brainbomb (290 D)
20 Jan 16 UTC
How do I get webdip points @ Zultar and Point peoples
I keep playing and losing. Can I get like 300 D since this is sort of like texas holdem anyway? the points dont matter...
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yoak (1497 D)
23 Jan 16 UTC
Points in play calculation
All,

I have read the FAQ, but it seems to state that your points in play are the sum of point that you *bet*. Mine seem to exceed that, but may be correct if they are the "current value" rather than the "bet." I could do some tedious counting, but I imagine that most of the people here know, so please pardon the "lazy ask" of someone new to this site, but a long-term Dip player.
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Hastati (100 D)
24 Jan 16 UTC
Anyone here tried Subterfuge?
Its an iOS/Droid game similar to Neptune's Pride somewhat. Slow Realtime where movement takes hours to days to resolve, no RNG, and based on the Diplomacy tradition of deception and alliances. The key difference to Pride is a toroidal map and a different win condition. Anyone else given it a go?
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
23 Jan 16 UTC
Snowpocalypse Redux
How's life south of the Masspike? Only a dusting here in Boston but looks like NYC and DC are getting nailed.
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brainbomb (290 D)
22 Jan 16 UTC
I just got back from Azerbaijian
And boy are my _____________ Tired.
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jarrodlombardo (100 D)
22 Jan 16 UTC
Simple rule question I'm unsure of.
Country 1: A sup B move C; B move C;
Country 2: C sup D move A; D move A;
My thinking is everyone bounces because both supports are broken. Is that right?
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
23 Jan 16 UTC
Not a Live Game Thread
This thread is not intended to promote any particular game! Please discuss!
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
23 Jan 16 UTC
Press Celtic Britain Game?
Anyone up for a FP Live Celtic Britain Game tonight on VDip?
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flash2015 (1447 D(G))
22 Jan 16 UTC
When Does A Draw Occur?
When does a draw occur? As soon as all players vote for draw...or when all players have voted for draw and the next turn is adjudicated? I ask because I am in a game where the draw votes are hidden.
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Gocki (50 D)
22 Jan 16 UTC
How to join
Dear Diplomaten,
I´m form Germany and I am wondering about why by many games I can look at but not join them. By games with a Password I understood but not by the others. Ist it because im unknown on this side, or why. Thanks for an Information. BR Gocki
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
20 Jan 16 UTC
Sarah Fucking Palin
http://newsthump.com/2016/01/20/raving-lunatic-receives-republican-endorsement-from-pouting-simpleton/
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GOD (389 D)
22 Jan 16 UTC
RL Diplomacy Runde in Hamburg morgen
Does anyone here live around Hamburg and would like to play a live round of Diplomacy? We have the location and six people, but the seventh jumped off today :/
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MonsieurJavert (214 D)
22 Jan 16 UTC
Sum-of-Squares
I can't find the descriptor for Sum-of-Squares Scoring. Could someone link to it or describe it here? Thanks.
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c0dyz (100 D)
22 Jan 16 UTC
Question about centers
If a nation has two territories, one with a center and one without, and they lose the one with the center, are they defeated? or do they get more chances to gain it back?
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jmdingess (1034 D)
21 Jan 16 UTC
Rules question I couldn't find on FAQ.
I know support is cut when the supporting unit is dislodged, but what would happen in the following scenario:
Country 1: A->D; B Support A->D
Country 2: C->B; D Support C->B
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Captain Tomorrow (438 D)
19 Jan 16 UTC
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My suggestion for a major addition to the game mechanics - something to reflect upon.
What if the game had a concept o fortification?
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EvilKanevil (0 DX)
20 Jan 16 UTC
Spectate?
I'm sorry I am new here. When I click on a game to spectate it have i joined the game? Or is there another step I have to do?
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reedeer1 (100 D)
20 Jan 16 UTC
spectating games
Is there a way to see the global chat in a game your not in? it wouldn't make it so that you could tell someone something they wouldn't have known otherwise like showing private messages would do. I'm just wondering if there is a specific reason why you can't.
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KingCyrus (511 D)
21 Jan 16 UTC
Removing from game?
I joined a special game, but it quickly lost any sort of extra rules. I wouldn't mind, but it is a 10 day phase world map. Is it possible for a mod to remove me without taking a hit to my record?
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ssorenn (0 DX)
21 Jan 16 UTC
Anyone have a WSJ acccount?
If so, could you get this whole article and post it here?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trouble-brews-for-imported-beers-madein-america-1435188835
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
20 Jan 16 UTC
Curiosity.
Mods can cancel games but can mods force draw? for example 3 players have played for weeks and a one player breaks a site rule implying the game should be cancelled but if the 2 remaining players agree to draw then can the mods force draw?
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
24 Dec 15 UTC
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SRG: On the Offensive
I had an idea for an SRG, and with unraked games I think it's time to try it out.
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
08 Jan 14 UTC
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Daily Bible Verses
"You have the words that lead to eternal life." This thread includes selected excerpts from the Bible.
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
18 Nov 15 UTC
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2 Peter 3 is the Bible reading for Wednesday November 18, 2015.
New Living Translation (NLT)

The Day of the Lord Is Coming

1 This is my second letter to you, dear friends, and in both of them I have tried to stimulate your wholesome thinking and refresh your memory. 2 I want you to remember what the holy prophets said long ago and what our Lord and Savior commanded through your apostles.

3 Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires. 4 They will say, “What happened to the promise that Jesus is coming again? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created.”

5 They deliberately forget that God made the heavens long ago by the word of his command, and he brought the earth out from the water and surrounded it with water. 6 Then he used the water to destroy the ancient world with a mighty flood. 7 And by the same word, the present heavens and earth have been stored up for fire. They are being kept for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed.

8 But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. 9 The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment.[a]

11 Since everything around us is going to be destroyed like this, what holy and godly lives you should live, 12 looking forward to the day of God and hurrying it along. On that day, he will set the heavens on fire, and the elements will melt away in the flames. 13 But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has promised, a world filled with God’s righteousness.

14 And so, dear friends, while you are waiting for these things to happen, make every effort to be found living peaceful lives that are pure and blameless in his sight.

15 And remember, our Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him— 16 speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction.

Peter’s Final Words

17 You already know these things, dear friends. So be on guard; then you will not be carried away by the errors of these wicked people and lose your own secure footing. 18 Rather, you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

All glory to him, both now and forever! Amen.

Footnote:
a. 3:10 Other manuscripts read will be burned up; still others read will be found destroyed.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+peter+3&version=NLT
Mujus (1495 D(B))
19 Nov 15 UTC
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Revelation 3:14-22 is the Bible reading for Thursday November 19, 2015.
New Living Translation (NLT)

The Message to the Church in Laodicea

14 “Write this letter to the angel of the church in Laodicea. This is the message from the one who is the Amen—the faithful and true witness, the beginning[a] of God’s new creation:

15 “I know all the things you do, that you are neither hot nor cold. I wish that you were one or the other! 16 But since you are like lukewarm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth! 17 You say, ‘I am rich. I have everything I want. I don’t need a thing!’ And you don’t realize that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked. 18 So I advise you to buy gold from me—gold that has been purified by fire. Then you will be rich. Also buy white garments from me so you will not be shamed by your nakedness, and ointment for your eyes so you will be able to see. 19 I correct and discipline everyone I love. So be diligent and turn from your indifference.

20 “Look! I stand at the door and knock. If you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in, and we will share a meal together as friends. 21 Those who are victorious will sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat with my Father on his throne.

22 “Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches.”

Footnote:
a. 3:14 Or the ruler, or the source.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+3%3A14-22&version=NLT
Mujus (1495 D(B))
22 Nov 15 UTC
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John 3:1-21is the Bible reading for Sunday, November 22.
New Living Translation (NLT)

1 There was a man named Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader who was a Pharisee. 2 After dark one evening, he came to speak with Jesus. “Rabbi,” he said, “we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you.”

3 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again,[a] you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

4 “What do you mean?” exclaimed Nicodemus. “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?”

5 Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.[b] 6 Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.[c] 7 So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.”

9 “How are these things possible?” Nicodemus asked.

10 Jesus replied, “You are a respected Jewish teacher, and yet you don’t understand these things? 11 I assure you, we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won’t believe our testimony. 12 But if you don’t believe me when I tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man[e] has come down from heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.[f]

16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave[g] his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.

18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21 But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.[h]”

Footnotes:
a. 3:3 Or born from above; also in 3:7.
b. 3:5 Or and spirit. The Greek word for Spirit can also be translated wind; see 3:8.
c. 3:6 Greek what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
d. 3:7 The Greek word for you is plural; also in 3:12.
e. 3:13 Some manuscripts add who lives in heaven. “Son of Man” is a title Jesus used for himself.
f. 3:15 Or everyone who believes will have eternal life in him.
g. 3:16 Or For God loved the world so much that he gave.
h. 3:21 Or can see God at work in what he is doing.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john+3%3A1-21&version=NLT
Mujus (1495 D(B))
23 Nov 15 UTC
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1 John 3:16-24 is the Bible reading for Monday November 23, 2015.
New Living Translation (NLT)

16 We know what real love is because Jesus gave up his life for us. So we also ought to give up our lives for our brothers and sisters. 17 If someone has enough money to live well and sees a brother or sister[a] in need but shows no compassion—how can God’s love be in that person?

18 Dear children, let’s not merely say that we love each other; let us show the truth by our actions. 19 Our actions will show that we belong to the truth, so we will be confident when we stand before God. 20 Even if we feel guilty, God is greater than our feelings, and he knows everything.

21 Dear friends, if we don’t feel guilty, we can come to God with bold confidence. 22 And we will receive from him whatever we ask because we obey him and do the things that please him.

23 And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us. 24 Those who obey God’s commandments remain in fellowship with him, and he with them. And we know he lives in us because the Spirit he gave us lives in us.

Footnote:
a. 3:17 Greek sees his brother.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+3%3A16-24&version=NLT
Mujus (1495 D(B))
25 Nov 15 UTC
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Psalm 139 verses 1-6 is the Bible reading for Wednesday November 25, 2015.

For the choir director: A psalm of David.

1 O Lord, you have examined my heart
and know everything about me.
2 You know when I sit down or stand up.
You know my thoughts even when I’m far away.
3 You see me when I travel
and when I rest at home.
You know everything I do.
4 You know what I am going to say
even before I say it, Lord.
5 You go before me and follow me.
You place your hand of blessing on my head.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
too great for me to understand!

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm+139%3A1-6&version=NLT
Mujus (1495 D(B))
26 Nov 15 UTC
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Psalm 139:7-12 is the Bible reading for Thanksgiving Day, Thursday November 26, 2015. New Living Translation (NLT)

7 I can never escape from your Spirit!
I can never get away from your presence!
8 If I go up to heaven, you are there;
if I go down to the grave,[a] you are there.
9 If I ride the wings of the morning,
if I dwell by the farthest oceans,
10 even there your hand will guide me,
and your strength will support me.
11 I could ask the darkness to hide me
and the light around me to become night—
12 but even in darkness I cannot hide from you.
To you the night shines as bright as day.
Darkness and light are the same to you.

Footnote:
a. 139:8 Hebrew to Sheol.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm+139%3A7-12&version=NLT
Mujus (1495 D(B))
27 Nov 15 UTC
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Psalm 139:13-18 is the Bible reading for Friday November 7, 2015.
New Living Translation (NLT)

13 You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body
and knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex!
Your workmanship is marvelous—how well I know it.
15 You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,
as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.
16 You saw me before I was born.
Every day of my life was recorded in your book.
Every moment was laid out
before a single day had passed.

17 How precious are your thoughts about me,[a] O God.
They cannot be numbered!
18 I can’t even count them;
they outnumber the grains of sand!
And when I wake up,
you are still with me!

Footnote:
a. 139:17 Or How precious to me are your thoughts.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+139%3A13-18&version=NLT
Mujus (1495 D(B))
28 Nov 15 UTC
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Psalm 139:19-24 is the Bible reading for Saturday November 28, 2015.
New Living Translation (NLT)

19 O God, if only you would destroy the wicked!
Get out of my life, you murderers!
20 They blaspheme you;
your enemies misuse your name.
21 O Lord, shouldn’t I hate those who hate you?
Shouldn’t I despise those who oppose you?
22 Yes, I hate them with total hatred,
for your enemies are my enemies.
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart;
test me and know my anxious thoughts.
24 Point out anything in me that offends you,
and lead me along the path of everlasting life.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm+139%3A19-24&version=NLT
Mujus (1495 D(B))
29 Nov 15 UTC
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Isaiah 9:1-7 is the Bible reading for November 29, 2015.
New Living Translation (NLT)

Hope in the Messiah
9:1 [a]Nevertheless, that time of darkness and despair will not go on forever. The land of Zebulun and Naphtali will be humbled, but there will be a time in the future when Galilee of the Gentiles, which lies along the road that runs between the Jordan and the sea, will be filled with glory.

2 [b]The people who walk in darkness
will see a great light.
For those who live in a land of deep darkness,[c]
a light will shine.
3 You will enlarge the nation of Israel,
and its people will rejoice.
They will rejoice before you
as people rejoice at the harvest
and like warriors dividing the plunder.
4 For you will break the yoke of their slavery
and lift the heavy burden from their shoulders.
You will break the oppressor’s rod,
just as you did when you destroyed the army of Midian.
5 The boots of the warrior
and the uniforms bloodstained by war
will all be burned.
They will be fuel for the fire.

6 For a child is born to us,
a son is given to us.
The government will rest on his shoulders.
And he will be called:
Wonderful Counselor,[d] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 His government and its peace
will never end.
He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of his ancestor David
for all eternity.
The passionate commitment of the Lord of Heaven’s Armies
will make this happen!

Footnotes:
a. 9:1 Verse 9:1 is numbered 8:23 in Hebrew text.
b. 9:2a Verses 9:2-21 are numbered 9:1-20 in Hebrew text.
c. 9:2b Greek version reads a land where death casts its shadow. Compare Matt 4:16.
d. 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+9%3A1-7&version=NLT
Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
30 Nov 15 UTC
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First Sunday of Advent! Thanks, Mujus.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
30 Nov 15 UTC
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Matthew 16:13-20
New Living Translation (NLT)

My commentary: In this reading, Simon Peter says that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah. Jesus replies that Peter is a rock (Greek Petros), and on this rock (Greek Petra) he would build his church. Some interpret this to mean that the church would be built on Peter, and others that it would be built on Peter's confession of faith in Jesus as the promised Messiah (Christ, in Greek), the Savior of Israel and the world.

Peter’s Declaration about Jesus

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”[a]

14 “Well,” they replied, “some say John the Baptist, some say Elijah, and others say Jeremiah or one of the other prophets.”

15 Then he asked them, “But who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah,[b] the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “You are blessed, Simon son of John,[c] because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being. 18 Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’),[d] and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell[e] will not conquer it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you forbid[f] on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit[g] on earth will be permitted in heaven.”

20 Then he sternly warned the disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

Footnotes:
a. 16:13 “Son of Man” is a title Jesus used for himself.
b. 16:16 Or the Christ. Messiah (a Hebrew term) and Christ (a Greek term) both mean “anointed one.”
c. 16:17 Greek Simon bar-Jonah; see John 1:42; 21:15-17.
d. 16:18a Greek that you are Peter.
e. 16:18b Greek and the gates of Hades.
f. 16:19a Or bind, or lock.
g. 16:19b Or loose, or open.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16%3A13-20&version=NLT
Mujus (1495 D(B))
01 Dec 15 UTC
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Revelation Chapter 5 is the Bible reading for Tuesday, December 1, 2015.
New Living Translation (NLT)

The Lamb Opens the Scroll
5:1 Then I saw a scroll[a] in the right hand of the one who was sitting on the throne. There was writing on the inside and the outside of the scroll, and it was sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel, who shouted with a loud voice: “Who is worthy to break the seals on this scroll and open it?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it.

4 Then I began to weep bitterly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll and read it. 5 But one of the twenty-four elders said to me, “Stop weeping! Look, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the heir to David’s throne,[b] has won the victory. He is worthy to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

6 Then I saw a Lamb that looked as if it had been slaughtered, but it was now standing between the throne and the four living beings and among the twenty-four elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which represent the sevenfold Spirit[c] of God that is sent out into every part of the earth. 7 He stepped forward and took the scroll from the right hand of the one sitting on the throne. 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living beings and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp, and they held gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9 And they sang a new song with these words:

“You are worthy to take the scroll
and break its seals and open it.
For you were slaughtered, and your blood has ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 And you have caused them to become
a Kingdom of priests for our God.
And they will reign[d] on the earth.”

11 Then I looked again, and I heard the voices of thousands and millions of angels around the throne and of the living beings and the elders. 12 And they sang in a mighty chorus:

“Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered—
to receive power and riches
and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and blessing.”
13 And then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea. They sang:

“Blessing and honor and glory and power
belong to the one sitting on the throne
and to the Lamb forever and ever.”

14 And the four living beings said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped the Lamb.

Footnotes:
a. 5:1 Or book; also in 5:2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9.
b. 5:5 Greek the root of David. See Isa 11:10.
c. 5:6 Greek which are the seven spirits.
d. 5:10 Some manuscripts read they are reigning.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelations+5&version=NLT
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
02 Dec 15 UTC
Dear Mujus,
Why nitpick with regard to the origins of the name IshmuleG (don't the Bible say these chaps are all children of Abraham ) but make no comment about a slur that implies some member of our community is a nazi ?
By making no comment on the nazi slur it could be said that you give it your de facto approval, and I think you're a better person than that.
Remember, evil prospers when good men remain silent.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
02 Dec 15 UTC
MajorMitchell, I think you crossed threads here, but I'll reply anyway. First, no one was implying that Kestas is a Nazi in that thread. It was quite obvious from the context that this was a use of hyperbole and in no way derogatory. Second, Ishmael, the first son of Abraham, is widely considered the father of the Arabs, by them especially. Jews trace their origins to Jacob, son of Isaac, the second son of Abraham, who was the father of the founders of the tribes of Israel. Calling Ishmael Jewish was historically incorrect. By doing so you are calling all Arabs Jewish just because they trace their descent to Abraham. I don't think it's nitpicking to correct an error of that magnitude.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
02 Dec 15 UTC
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Mark 10:17-31
New Living Translation (NLT)

The Rich Man

17 As Jesus was starting out on his way to Jerusalem, a man came running up to him, knelt down, and asked, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked. “Only God is truly good. 19 But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone. Honor your father and mother.’[a]”

20 “Teacher,” the man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”

21 Looking at the man, Jesus felt genuine love for him. “There is still one thing you haven’t done,” he told him. “Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell, and he went away sad, for he had many possessions.

23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God!” 24 This amazed them. But Jesus said again, “Dear children, it is very hard[b] to enter the Kingdom of God. 25 In fact, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”

26 The disciples were astounded. “Then who in the world can be saved?” they asked.

27 Jesus looked at them intently and said, “Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But not with God. Everything is possible with God.”

28 Then Peter began to speak up. “We’ve given up everything to follow you,” he said.

29 “Yes,” Jesus replied, “and I assure you that everyone who has given up house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or property, for my sake and for the Good News, 30 will receive now in return a hundred times as many houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and property—along with persecution. And in the world to come that person will have eternal life. 31 But many who are the greatest now will be least important then, and those who seem least important now will be the greatest then.[c]”

Footnotes:
a. 10:19 Exod 20:12-16; Deut 5:16-20.
b. 10:24 Some manuscripts read very hard for those who trust in riches.
c. 10:31 Greek But many who are first will be last; and the last, first.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark+10%3A17-31&version=NLT
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
02 Dec 15 UTC
So, implying someone is a nazi is OK if it's amusing and probably hyperbole.
I'll disagree and remind you that Jesus loves all the little children, irrespective of racial origin
KingCyrus (511 D)
02 Dec 15 UTC
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MM, eat a snickers.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 Dec 15 UTC
What we really need is a Daily Mein Kampf
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
02 Dec 15 UTC
Hey I've got this absolutely hilarious joke about the Christian God and Jesus joining the Nazi party, and as Hitler pins the Nazi emblem on God's SS uniform he says....
Laughing already guys, but I haven't got to the punch line..

I apologize for doing that but maybe you get the point
KingCyrus (511 D)
02 Dec 15 UTC
HOW DARE YOU /s
Mujus (1495 D(B))
03 Dec 15 UTC
MajorMitchell, this thread is a place for Bible verses and legitimate debate, of which we've had a lot in the past. It's not a place for ridiculing Jesus and the Christian God. You are welcome to engage in dialogue, but try to keep it civil please.
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
03 Dec 15 UTC
You clown, it was not about ridiculing God or Jesus but trying to get you to see the point about the Nazi insult that you think is OK when it's apparently amusing.
Well you obviously have multiple standards, there could never be any way that a nazi insult is acceptable when it's directed to one of your "sacred cows", and I agree (didn't you read the apology, so it was never a genuine insult to your deities )
I just apply a similar standard to players at this website, you obviously don't.
With them it's OK to make the nazi insult as long as it's amusing according to you.
You know why I'm anti the nazi slur maybe if someone who'd married into your family had experienced the murder of most of their cousins, aunts,uncles and grandparents at the hands of those nazi scum you'd have a similar attitude.
So yes I'm absolutely against anything that whitewashes history, trivialises it, and in my opinion you're a bloody sanctimonious hypocrite who chooses to be remakably obtuse on this issue.
And just quietly, language wise, you've got off lightly on this occasion.
I'll leave it at that, provided I don't read anything from you further on this with the exception of a " we agree to disagree on this issue"
Post anymore snivelling dissembling and I'll deliver another broadside
I'm quite disappointed with you, there were far more courageous churchmen who opposed the Nazis and got murdered as well, and it's NOT OK to make an amusing joke about them
Mujus (1495 D(B))
03 Dec 15 UTC
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MajorMitchell, it's not a place for ridiculing Christians either. Also--no one was making an amusing joke about Nazis. The original comment, in a different thread that for some reason you insist on bring up in this thread, was joking that Kestas is our Fuhrer, our Nazi overlord. The thing that's new in this generation is that suddenly a large vocal group thinks it's OK to get all offended about anything that might possibly offend you. People saw it coming for a long time though, as check out this article about C.S. Lewis' book that dealt with it in 1944. https://pjmedia.com/faith/2015/12/1/how-c-s-lewis-predicted-todays-college-campus-craziness-in-1944
Mujus (1495 D(B))
03 Dec 15 UTC
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Here's an outtake:
"Modern education, by contrast, teaches the young to debunk morality and follow their own course. It produces what may be called “Men without Chests,” men and women without the grounding in right response to the reality which makes it possible to live a good life.

Instead, they elevate their feelings of being victimized and offended into claims for illegitimate power. Rather than controlling their feelings and using their minds to understand what others are saying, they claim these words are aggressions and demand apologies. Morality abhors a vacuum, and if children are not taught to discover objective right and wrong they will create their own values -- and more often than not, use those values to grasp for power."
Mujus (1495 D(B))
03 Dec 15 UTC
Another quote from the article: "In response to what Douthat calls “a strange blend of [being] pampered and exploited,” college students present the twisted morality of “vindictive protectiveness” as a way to fill the moral gap in the university. They lash out against perceived injustices, but with a morality that perpetuates injustice and destroys freedom of inquiry.

As David French explained in National Review, “the same secular-progressive movement that fought for free speech in the Sixties wrote the first speech codes in the late Eighties and then raised the Millennial social-justice warriors who are now turning on their parents’ generation as insufficiently faithful to the cause.”
Mujus (1495 D(B))
03 Dec 15 UTC
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The Bible reading for Thursday December 31 consists of the two final verses of Psalm 139, which was recently posted, but these verses seem appropriate today.

Psalm 139:23-24New Living Translation (NLT)

23 Search me, O God, and know my heart;
test me and know my anxious thoughts.
24 Point out anything in me that offends you,
and lead me along the path of everlasting life.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm+139%3A23-24&version=NLT
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
03 Dec 15 UTC
I did tell you Mujus that if you continued to quibble I'd respond
I'm not of that group that gets offended by most reasonable insults
You may call me an idiot,a clown, a bloody fool, a stupid atheist, and I'm not an athiest, etc as often as you like, just don't put a nazi tag in there
I see no humour in anything connected with that evil tyrannyand less in comments that trivialise the horror of what the Nazis inflicted on the world
It's also obvious that you have your own boundaries with regard to your God and fellow adherents and making fun of them or insulting them
I suspect you have less tolerance in that regard than what I'd have with regard to my spiritual beliefs despite your criticism of the "overly sensitive"
You might care to elucidate what religious insults you'll wear and what you won't, but I'll predict you either avoid that or dissemble.
I note for your attention that IshmaelG offered a qualified but in my opinion sincere and generous apology and I have made an apology to him.
Take the offer of "agreeing to disagree" with me on this and quit quibbling and I'll desist from prolonging the "dispute" in this thread
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
03 Dec 15 UTC
Did I express all that in a civil enough way for you ?
Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
04 Dec 15 UTC
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@MM

You seem to be selective in your outrage. Let me point out that the same thread in which Kestas was hailed by some flippant souls as a fuhrer (absolutely a Nazi reference) also contained a reference to Kestas as "Our Almighty Master" (absolutely a reference to the Christian God). Mujus said nothing about either of those references. Since the Almighty Master comment was actually the title of the thread it is entirely unlikely that Mujus would have missed it.

Since Mujus has started many threads about Bible passages and it is well known that he takes his religion very seriously, I only see two possibilities.

1) He (as you surmise) cares nothing for Nazi references and is some low form of human who tolerates jokes about the Nazi atrocities AND cares nothing about blasphemy (Which we all know is patently false since he has spoken up against blasphemy in the past)


OR

2) We can draw the very reasonable conclusion that Mujus didn't think of the Nazi or the blasphemy remarks as anything other than errant nonsense. Deciding instead to comment on a point of history that could actually have garnered some actual discussion above the typical melodramatic tripe.


Really? From his choice to ignore not one but TWO "attacks" (Kestas as Nazi & Kestas as God) you chose to come into this thread completely ignoring his silence on one issue, but insinuating that his silence on the other is due to some moral defect? I don't think the guy owes you an apology at all. You're the one who is smearing him. The most you have is that he chose not to fall to the lowest common denominator of the first discussion and then made an attempt to defend himself when you followed along to troll him.
I don't buy your reasoning on that at all.
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
04 Dec 15 UTC
Dearest Dopey Crazy Anglican
Twice I've made the offer to Mujus who wants me to quit discussing this in this thread that I would do that if he desisted from quibbling and simply agree to disagree. A reasonable offer I would have thought.
You say you want the same, but you buy into it here, not in a personal message to me but in a way where you can be a show pony in front of your pals. First example of your inconsistency /hypocrisy

The phrase " The almighty master" you claim is a reference to the Christian God, it might be a reference to any number of God's, deities or even a webdip Moderator. I've certainly used the terms "Mighty Mods" and Almighty Mods" in the past in forum comments.

You are (yet again ) incorrect in your self serving assumptions when you state that I have surmised that Mujus cares nothing for Nazi references.
I have clearly recognised Mujus's position as "its OK if it's hyperbole, a joke,amusing"
That, you cork brained clown, recognises that Mujus, if logic applies to his thinking, also thinks Nazi comments can be unacceptable, that is when they are NOT hyperbole, a joke, amusing.

Where have I said Mujus cafes nothing about blasphemy, produce the quote(s) from me.
Obviously Mujus cares about blasphemy, but he's also criticised the "right to get offended over anything / too thin skinned" brigade, so he would, if he is logical and consistent be prepared to allow some mild blasphemy and mild epithets, or he may be illogical and inconsistent.

Where have I asked or demanded an apology from Mujus ? Again, produce the quote you imbecilic cleric.

I simply noted for the attention of Mujus that IshmaelG and I had exchanged apologies, and probably did so in close proximity to my repeated offer that Mujus and I can shut down this discussion in this thread if he simply "agreed to disagree" with me and kept his sweet mouth or texting finger quiet instead of continuing to nitpick and quibble. Consider the blindingly obvious possibility that I was using the news that IshmaelG and I had exchanged apologies and that IshmaelG had generously initiated the apology exchange, recognising him for making that key first step in conciliation as a WAY OF ENCOURAGING Mujus to accept the "olive branch" I was offering with the "Mujus, just say we agree to disagree, and NO more" suggestion of mine.
I don't see any request or demand from me for an apology from Mujus
Produce my statement where I request or demand an apology from Mujus. If you cannot, you might consider withdrawing your misrepresentation of my comments and consider offering an apology yourself
Please note that I make no request or demand for an apology I simply suggest that you consider that action.

In closing I make to you the same offer that is there for Mujus,
Reply with a simple "mm and CA agree to disagree" and leave it at that and I stop discussing this in this thread.
If you want to respond with more, do that in the other thread, or if I may use a metaphor, practice what you preach, whisky priest.




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