At least I was trying to help by posting a count. I won't bother again.

I don't see why anyone is advocating for a day 1 vig shot, even in jest.

Don't bother jamiet, no one cares.

https://youtu.be/jHgOvf7710k

Gonna have to agree with Chaqa. Only arsonist would do that in hopes a newb would actually listen. Vig is arso's kryptonite

"ghug - I get the feel from him that he sits there, looks at the whole situation, thinks things through and then give a good comment into the game."\

lmao

I'm almost caught up but I have class in ten minutes, so probably nothing for an hour. Cliff notes up to the Kaka (heh) post I quoted are that brain is really stupid but I'm not ready to pass judgement yet, zorclex's play is bleh but the activity makes me lean town, and ND usually puts up with my abuse while not reciprocating my disdain for him as a player (he fearkilled me over confirmed town last time he was scum, for example), so perpetuating a narrative that I'm shitty to players that might not have played with me as much is a bit odd.

A monster 'bout to come alive again.

On sight.

Why am I really stupid?

Seems totally uncalled for.

##GMNote:
Unofficial Vote Count:
Approximately 20 votes havery been cast so far. Though some have changed.

Trying to catch up with the thread.

I don´t like the idea of lynching a newbie (zorclex, kaka, me, lol ). I helped to lynch zorclez D1 last game and it was a really big mistake that lead to other myslinchs.

A lot of people are lurking even more then me, would like to hear more from krellin, Glen, Ezio, Warden, Guak, to list some I don´t even remember posting.

Looking the vote count, I don´t get why xorxes has two votes, other then meta. He is usually a great asset for town. DemonOverlord and Jamiet seems to be exchanging votes, but I still don´t read any of them as scum, but Jamiet vote on DO really seems reactionary.

I don´t like Vecna´s play, but I confess it could still be related to last game, seems too much like the way he played there, only without the pics.

"Looking the vote count, I don´t get why xorxes has two votes, other then meta. He is usually a great asset for town. "
Yea agreed. NORMALLY he is.

You cant use meta to defend someone while also discredit meta simultaneously either. You should lnow better than that.

Jamiet can you explain to me how you voted for me, and then did your vote count nearly immediately after, where you misplaced your own vote on me?

Did you just suggest im the arsonist brainbomb? thats kinky

I know better then that, and that´s why I haven´t voted for Vecna and not even tried to make a case on him. But I can´t avoid what I feel like.

Why do you think xorxes is not playing normally other then meta? He is lurking, but we have worst lurkers.

^^^^
that message/question was to brainbomb.

Dont wowwy rdrivera, itll all be over soon.

Hey heath, lets ditch these suckers and play some civ

id actually be okay with that veccy.

but before I go:

The reason for why I think xorxes is scum I am happy to restate. It goes beyond meta. I noted that he said he was waiting for the joke phase to end.
-Problem: Any town aligned player can interject and offer to redicrect town, ask questions and participate to help steer the game out of the joke phase, the only reason a player avoids the joke phase is to emerge after it is over with a solid scumread.
-Problem 2: when he emerged he stated he was too busy playing a press game also. Well a Press game doesn’t take 16 hours. His vote on kakarroto is very unusual. He didn’t really say he actually scumread kakarroto he just tells us “this is good enough for now”. (we decide what is and isn’t good enough).
-Problem 3: he follows it up by ignoring my counter points. He never replies to them instead he goes after floodgates, the only other person on his wagon. This is hacksawing.
Problem 4: his questions are spitballs. He doesn’t even really ask teacon a question if you reread. He says “teacon usually lurks, this means teacon might be scum”. This is so absurdly lazy for a player like xorxes, I actually thought he was vash for a moment.



(For reference the case on xorxes the case was on Page 13)
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1. “@ND. what do you mean by "information farming"? It seems that a quick succession of votes can be used as a way to be on the record for voting for one of your scum buddies without actually putting any pressure on them, but I don't see how it helps for collecting information. And if it was information farming somehow, wouldn't that be a town tell rather than a scum tell?”

2. “@teacon, are you going to be lurking this game? You always end up being scum when you lurk.”

3. “@Floodgates, can you explain why my vote for kakarroto was abnormal behavior from me? What would be my normal day 1 voting pattern behavior?”

So here in point 1. he is trying to defend zorclex saying that rapid voting and 37 posts in 8 pages is a town tell.
In point 2 he tells us that if teacon lurks, teacon is always scum. This is an incredibly half assed question for what we usually see from town aligned xorxes.
In point three he hacksaws floodgates and tries to redirect attention back to kakarroto.
“

@DemonOvercoat: I explained that already.

@Brainbomb: So it looks like you are making a detailed case against Xorxes. Part of it based on Xorxes' comment to me (which he has yet to respond to my response to him).

However, part of your first point hinges on Zorclex being scum. I think Zorclex is scum. So, what do you think of Ezio heavily defending Zorclex and even being 'honored' to be townread?

It doesnt have to mean zorclex is scum, but zorclex wasnt information farming. He was voting erratically without much purpose.

You explained how you specifically fucked up *your own* vote?

@BB, you're completely off on what Xorxes said in his first point. Please re-read it. He's saying "I think it's a scummy move for this reason, but I don't think it's the reason ND said. In fact, he went so far as to say the reason ND used would actually be a town tell. At the same time, I think his vote on KAK is lazy and to me indicates scum trying to get an easy d1 mis-lynch as Teacon (and I believe you) suggested. I don't heavily think Xorxes is scum, and I think your first argument is terrible.

Vote tracker is up to date as of me starting this post.

There was an odd jump of votes onto Jamiet just now, from Vecna, Maniac, and DO. Not sure it means anything, but it's odd.

The xorxes votes are extremely suspicious to me. Are they there to pressure him to talk?


And most importantly, where are guak and krellin?

##Vote guak

##unvote. Nice to see you around Chaqa.

Implying I haven't been reasonably active despite work.

Hey guys, I got called in to work and I have classes from now until 9 Pm EST. I'll do my besy to contribute, yes anchoring I know, but I don't want to be called out for lurking after getting pressured from WD and BB

Out of interest does anyone think Vecna is right about the Arsonist? It's interesting that he accused a specific person of being the Arsonist and no-one had any interest in discussing it.

Who did he accuse? I missed it.

"Out of interest does anyone think Vecna is right"

No