Why don't you make a distinction? Do you seriously think words like this are useful as a sign of growing up or a rite of passage?
The more I think about, the more silly the concept sounds.

I think you're just mental masturbating at this point, and just arguing for the giggles.

@James - which is what? You, soren and co being absolute assholes for no real reason?

I don't share MM's hangup with this particular word.

However, this thread serves as an excellent demonstration of how any proposed standard of behavior on a website will immediately lead cynical keyboard warriors to make a big show of flouting that standard and insulting people for having standards. Any earnest objection will be smothered in smoke and mirrors; any emotional backlash will be taken as sinking to their level and therefore nullifying any claim to the moral high ground; muting only allows the monkeys to fling shit unopposed.

I don't mind shit; I wouldn't ban it. It has its uses. But those who make shit an end in itself end up full of it.

@SD

"Alright, quickly jy, even though I feel this is all beyond you:"

ok

"you did not need to say that you were right because i was a hypocrite, there just needs to be the intent to discredit the validity of my argument. it doesn't even say conscious intent."

so you KNOW my SUBCONSCIOUS intent??? alright, that's stretching FAR beyond your capabilities. Until you know more about my other views in life, I'd say you could hardly scratch the surface on my subconscious intent. that seems like a cop out.

"being an ass v being pretentious are likely comparable, and they both probably have different norms of conduct relating to appropriate responses."

once again, norms of conduct. how things are perceived. not objectively comparable, only within a set code.

"ok, so you think that murder is not objectively wrong? got it. or, sadistic cruel murder just done for one's pleasure? that's not objectively wrong. I wish I was surprised, but given your conduct it makes sense that you would think that."

don't put words into my mouth. I believe that there is some purpose in life, though i have no idea where to look. now if there is no purpose, then nothing matters, and therefore looking for purpose won't harm anyone. but if there is purpose, i could win! Pascal's wager works for me for once... anyways, I can assume if life does have a purpose, then life must exist for the purpose to exist along with it. therefore, don't kill myself. secondly, it'd be easier to look for purpose with multiple viewpoints: i.e. don't kill other people.

AND i refuted your argument, and i didn't have to be objective: only skeptical. skeptical of things CLAIMING to be 'objective.' I have further interpretations of this way of thinking, which deal with freedom and restrictions on freedom, but that is for another time. if you have a problem with my logic above, please address the part you contend specifically.

"Okay, so you've made a fallacy again, but that's fine. There is also some false equivocation here, but that's fine. Still, with god as well, whether or not you think god is real or not doesn't change the fact whether there is a god or not."

The logic equivocates perfectly. "the idea will affect you regardless of whether or not you should believe in it, so you should believe in it." this is what YOU did.

"You may *think* that something is right or wrong - you may have your own set of values. That doesn't change the fact that there is an objective moral standard that you are failing."

YOU MAY THINK THAT IT IS RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE IS
YOU MAY THINK IT EXISTS OR NOT, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE IS

each logical strings has the same conclusion: believe in my moral objectivity, believe in my god. that is NOT false equivocation of the base logic.

what i believe doesn't affect the truth, but without CERTAINTY about the truth, i will not allow it to be the final factor in what i believe.

"There can be facts without evidence too. We may not know the facts without evidence, but that's not to say there are no facts."

TRUE! but until said facts are discovered, i will not base my life around the presumption of their existence.

"As it is there is plenty of evidence for certain moral facts. I can recommend you a ton of books if you want to learn."

I've done plenty of studying, and from what i've seen the idea of free speech is so basically moral in terms of essential freedom (According to objectivists) that i should be allowed to exercise it regardless of one's sensibilities.

Thus i proposed that in this thread, to MM's dismay. his dismay turned to arrogance. and thus we are here.

Yes sweetypie James, most if us do learn to swear, blaspheme etc as children and teenagers. Guess what, we also learn about social context at the same time, well most if us. Eg little boys swearing away in the playground & but they are usually taught not to swear away in the same way at the dinner table by Mum and Dad, or in the classroom by the teachers. Most children learn this very quickly, almost instinctively imho. So if you are using social behaviour to argue that there are no differing standards of accepted behaviour influenced by an awareness of differing social settings, eg in a playground, in a classroom, in a church, in a brothel, then you defy mountains of evidence that is clearly observable across many different cultures.

Pointless to debate sjws who want to ban and censor speech.

Thanks for your two cents ND. Really contributed a lot here.

It's true. It's a symptom of our decaying culture.

ND, since I've joined in, I think the debate has been about whether or not MM is arrogant or not. (?)
Not about free speech.

Don't you have another thread for that bs? We certainly don't need more in this one.

@Flum

"Why don't you make a distinction? Do you seriously think words like this are useful as a sign of growing up or a rite of passage?
The more I think about, the more silly the concept sounds."

I'm very antisocial, you can ask TrPrado, he's known me for a few years. I never had many friends, I was close to 5 feet tall freshman year, and desperately looking for friends. This was after my epilepsy had for the most part subsided in symptoms. I joined cross country, and i'm trying to find friends anywhere i can. I was always quiet, i was shit at my runs first year as a sophomore, but i did what i was told. My older brother was a god on the XC team and i always wanted to be as fast as him (he's in the Marine corps now)

when offseason came we still had to do a 2 mile jog across a bridge and back, and then we could do other workouts until the bell. On some of these runs we'd joke around, but i'd almost never speak up. the first time i ever told a joke it was something awful and stupid but hilarious. I've made a lot of lifelong friends with those boys.

for some, you don't have to use cussing or the like to get noticed. but a single dirty joke, you are saying is SO despicable.... if i hadn't made friends by the end of that year i'd probably have quit the team. not everyone is super social, and this moral abhorrence to cussing you guys have, i've never experienced in my life. it is 100% of your own creation.

so goodnight motherfuckers

ND, if I can think up an example where you would be okay with censoring, would you give me a cookie.

True sorry I am not contributing to the current debate.

@MM

"So if you are using social behaviour to argue that there are no differing standards of accepted behaviour influenced by an awareness of differing social settings, eg in a playground, in a classroom, in a church, in a brothel, then you defy mountains of evidence that is clearly observable across many different cultures."

evidence of mass subjectivity does not mean evidence of mass objectivity.

the obviousness of this statement should have occurred to you, but somehow it's slipped by

What the hell is this? A thread about to push Mafia off the top page? Something must be wrong here.

Yanik you got triggered by MM's thread because telling a dirty joke got you friends? What am I reading.

Can I come clean yoyo? I actually have only been commenting this entire time because I'm sad I missed the Mafia sign up - I wanted to continue my 100% win rate. Bitterly I'm just trying to sabotage the game for everyone else.

p.s. ignore the sample size.

I was rather hoping we could get there by consensus, agreement to voluntarily adopt. Yes in my very first posts I did discuss penalties, compulsion, as a question to be considered, I did not demand compulsion and censorship in a dictatorial way. And I clearly stated my preference for consensus leading to agreement. Carumba, it's in the bloody title of this thread, "can we please agree to NOT use..."
So I don't know where you are getting this censorship wanted by me assertion from ND, unless it's driven by your need to misrepresent your philosophical opponents statements because you are intellectually lazy.

I'm glad you made friends Yanik.
Either way, context is everything. What's appropriate with a group of close friends might not be appropriate in a public forum.
I don't think many people think you're more grown up here when you cuss. Just a guess.

Typo, by a need to misrepresent, not by your need

@ND

yeah he's not wanting bans

@DO

actually from a subconscious standpoint that might be true... but my initial problem with the thread was with MM. nonetheless, it's been fun to get dragged into. it's also 2:00 AM. REALLY testing how invested i am now...

Well.I imagine we've knocked a few of those Trump threads down the popularity rankings, and if we can beat the Mafia into a cocked hat, Hoorah, lol, thanks Yoyoyozo.

So I was right that this debate was whether MM was arrogant?

Hey that's my mafia game MM :( and Soc if you wanted to play you know I would have found a way to get you in there ;).

@Flum

thanks bud, but i don't need to cuss to sound grown up. i understand that was a middle school rite of passage

another thing that doesn't sound grown up (and perhaps depending on the viewer is even worse) is complaining about someone cussing when we ARE grown ups.

like right now.

FUCK

guys i just said fuck, should i start the thread complaining about how fucking is often used in an aggressive manner, which subconsciously will sex and violence which is bad for society, so we shouldn't say it anymore...

.... or will MM beat me to it ?

damn that grammar/syntax was bad. shit i just used damnit. f-

oh never mind

@SD
still waiting on your reply on objectivity... anytime now bud

Being kind, polite and considerate, is considered a reasonably achievable moral standard. Being a gamer, or a contributor to a forum doesn't release you from the standards which civilised societies regard as being the corollary to free speech.

In particular, you are asked as a prerequisite to "Use common sense and respect other players."

"It's true. It's a symptom of our decaying culture."

Accidentally correct, ND. In places with strong cultures where people observe community norms for the sake of those around them, there is often little need for explicit rules or safeguards. It's when malicious, stupid, or otherwise uncultured people abuse community space for their own amusement that the community has to start carefully weighing the freedom of that space against their desire to preserve *some* norms within that space.

You might be familiar with this dynamic. It's commonly known as "This is why we can't have nice things."

@JY, don't take this the wrong way man, but i've already engaged with you some, and you're not someone I regard as a friend. I'm not going to talk/teach you about logic/objectivity/metaphysics/epistemology/metaethics/ethics/philosophy generally, for free. If you were nicer than sure we could have great chats. As it is this is something I'ld need to get paid for. $$$