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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
03 Oct 16 UTC
Tempest in a Teapot 2016
It's that time of year for D.C.'s annual tournament!
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WhiteSammy (132 D)
03 Oct 16 UTC
Moment of Silence for One of the Best Webdip Threads Ever
http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=498819

The infamous offensive joke thread... You will be missed.
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brainbomb (290 D)
05 Oct 16 UTC
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Hurricane Matthew Category 4 Storm
This thread is meant for webdip users who may be in danger from Hurricane Matthew. Here you can share your stories and find places to go if needed.
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
04 Oct 16 UTC
On Social Contracts and Their Existence
It's late where I am and I was thinking about this post:
http://trolleyproblem.blogspot.com/2012/02/why-social-contract-arguments-are.html

So what do y'all think about the social contract and the legitimacy of government? Does it exist? If so to what extent? Please discuss.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
27 Sep 16 UTC
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Debate!
Trump lasted a record 15 minutes before foaming at the mouth. A new personal best
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I agree with Jamiet99uk!

How often has THAT happened Jamie :-)

That fact alone, tells me we must be right.
Ogion (3882 D)
30 Sep 16 UTC
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Bo, you ought to actually look at the record. There are very few US politicians with a better record on the environment. Maybe you're too young to remember, but Hillary Clinton has been working on health care reform ffor decades. If you think she's just going to walk away from that, you're nuts.
Ogion (3882 D)
30 Sep 16 UTC
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and Clinton is as close to a third term of Obama as you could imagine. There's not a dimes worth of difference between them. If anything Clinton is more liberal.
But wait,

You didn't like it when TRPrado looked at her record about off shore drilling? Which record should he look at?
Lethologica (203 D)
30 Sep 16 UTC
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TrPrado: "Because Clinton is too willing to sell out her policies to have an actual consistent idea of what they are."

Can we at least play this both ways? Because I hear Hillary vilified on policy all the damn time.

For every "Her hawkishness influenced the President's 51-49 decision on going into Libya", can we at least have "She coordinated the multilateral sanctions that brought Iran to the table"?

For every "She used the word 'superpredator' when talking about black kids in the '90s", can we at least have "She pushed through SCHIP when she couldn't get Hillarycare"?

For every time Hillary is accused of something something corporate ties to Wall Street, can we at least remember when she fought the EPA and got them to admit the air quality at Ground Zero was shit and 9/11 first responders should get their medical benefits?

Can you imagine Donald Trump doing these things?

Hell, Trump's record on 9/11 is commenting that he now had the tallest building in New York, then applying for 9/11 money for "cleanup and repair" of a building that wasn't damaged by 9/11, and later lying about thousands of Muslims cheering 9/11 in Jersey City.

Can you imagine Donald Trump authoring the Pediatric Research Equity Act? The last time he got in the news for children's health was when he stopped paying for his grand-nephew's cerebral palsy treatment over an inheritance dispute.

For all you mistrust Clinton as a sellout, being a sellout didn't stop her from having a record of public service. If you want to attack her on her record, have the decency to credit her record as well.

And like Ogion, I'm tired of hearing that Clinton and Trump are the same. Where is Donald Trump's record? Where is the equivalency?
Ogion (3882 D)
30 Sep 16 UTC
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Maybe your reading comprehension issues explains a lot. I already posted about ten different scorecards that lookat ALL her votes, not just one vote. That's called "looking at her record" not cherry picking. Yeah, she supported Obama on offshore drilling, on which Obama also sucked. Both are far better than Johnson. Don't get me started on his "do nothing" approach to climate change.
Or yours in thinking I am Johnson's guy merely because I am not Hillary's ;-)
But we did get you to admit something about Hillary sucked.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
30 Sep 16 UTC
Ogion, Obama was pretty far left, definitely left of Clinton, in 2008. He went more moderate in his first term in order to have leverage on healthcare, which is what he wanted most. This is extremely well documented and anyone that has studied his policy knows it. In his second term, especially recently, he's gone back to being the center-left candidate that he was elected as. Hillary is centrist at best and corrupted regardless of her political stances, something Obama at least appears to have largely avoided.

Her record on the environment is two-faced. Prado already pointed that out. She is a worldwide advocate of fracking and a friend to fossil fuels. She takes on coal, which is great, but so does every Democrat. She is nothing new, and the environment needs something new. She, unlike Trump, won't gut the environment, but she will simply make us wait for someone else to come in and actually make progress on it like Obama has. I will be pleasantly surprised if she is as overt about protecting the environment as Obama has been.

I'm not voting for Johnson. The majority of his views are nuts. He would rather let regular people like you and I get eaten alive by some combination of insurance companies, corporate sellouts, and Sheriff Joe.

If the choice were Trump-Hillary, the choice is beyond obvious. I live in Indiana, so if I vote for Hillary, my vote still goes to Trump. If I vote for a third party candidate who even has a shot in the dark of hitting 5% for funding or 15% for media attention, then my vote actually counts for that candidate. If Indiana were a swing state, I would happily check the "not Trump" box, but it's not, so I'll vote green even though Jill Stein is a bit of a crackpot and hope that my vote and others around the country benefit the growth of the party as a national option.
brainbomb (290 D)
30 Sep 16 UTC
If Ralph Nader couldnt get 5% how does Jill Stein?
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
30 Sep 16 UTC
She'll get some votes. I don't know if she'll hit 5% or not. I do know that CNN's poll had her at 3% without even polling a single person between the ages of 18 and 35, where most of her votes would come from, so don't count it out.
TrPrado (461 D)
30 Sep 16 UTC
Leth:
I don't care whether or not you look at Trump. I'm not voting for him either.
Ogion (3882 D)
30 Sep 16 UTC
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No, bo. Go back and look at the debates. Remember, for example, Clinton was in favor of the public mandate and Obama was against it. Overall, they're positions were highly similar. In fact, Obama has not been and never was very liberal. He's always been up for tinkering with SS in bad ways for example. he's been in favor of fossil fuel extraction and has also been a giant friend to the fossil fuel industry. He was far more in favor of offshore oil drilling than Clinton, for example. Powder River Basin opened on his watch and he has boasted a lot about how his "all of the above" energy policy boosted fossil fuel production. Obama has been MUCH weaker than Clinton on public lands and endangered species policy, for example. Indeed, from his time in the Senate his environmental record was a full 10 points WORSE than Clinton's.

As far as this "corruption" is concerned, I'd like you to post some evidence of this beyond the "crooked Hillary" line. The actual evidence is very very thin.
Lethologica (203 D)
30 Sep 16 UTC
Somewhat more than half of my comment is about how you look at Clinton's record, Prado. So it's still germane to your position. It's just *also* germane to the "Clinton and Trump are the same" rhetoric that's been pervasive on this thread, on this board, and elsewhere.

I know you personally feel your vote is wasted no matter what because you're in Oklahoma, so you think voting third-party is a fine alternative--and I agree. But I'm not trying to change your vote, just your perspective.
Lethologica (203 D)
30 Sep 16 UTC
"She'll get some votes. I don't know if she'll hit 5% or not. I do know that CNN's poll had her at 3% without even polling a single person between the ages of 18 and 35, where most of her votes would come from, so don't count it out."

Stein's average on RCP is 2.4%, and most of those polls aren't excluding young voters. Also, it's been trending down for months.
Fluminator (1500 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
I just find it funny how much Hillary and Obama pretend to like each other right now when back in 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6f4tZFZ_-g
You can literally follow her positions on things through the years and how they change based on who funds her.
Like take her stance on gay marriage changing as a more obvious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPc0kOZZWBI
And there are just cases after case showing that Hillary is bought out and is after the interests for herself.
This isn't even including the email scandal (which people write off as an honest mistake when she literally was actively hiding emails) or countless other things.

Meanwhile Trump is a lunatic who can't even stay consistent for one election cycle. There are countless stories of him bullying smaller companies into doing work for him for less than the wages promised. His string of lawyers always seemed to help him get out of it. He's not successful because he's a great business man. He's successful because he's corrupt and knows how to manipulate people and the law.
Not to mention the terrible things he says about people and what a poor role model he is.

What the heck happened.
The two major parties have lost the desire to do what's best for the nation as a whole and cater to special interests with big bank accounts?


The whole "vote for me because the other guy is much, much worse" thing is way beyond thin. Put somebody up for election that will do the job and isn't already beholden to special interests.

On one side you have people who firmly believe that your basic everyday individual cannot fathom what needs to be done in the world, and they have to push their agenda no matter how much it costs and who has to pay for it.

On the other you have ultra-rich people behind a frothing at the mouth populace using family, faith, and patriotism to keep as much money as they can in their own pockets.
They BOTH want money out of your hands, and they BOTH want to tell you it will all be better when they get their agenda in place. They are BOTH lying.
Ogion (3882 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
That is just silly. Get serious and do your homework. For example, Obamacare has expanded health insurance massively alleviating a lot of suffering for regular people at the expanse of the monied insurance industry. The CFPB (again a Democratic invention) has done some great work going after the bankers. The Obama administration has really taken on some of the most powerful companies in the told to push climate action. And on and on. The GOP is meanwhile trying to dismantle health and environmental rules as fast as possible. The GOP wants to remove any protections for workers or the poor. Their policies are radically different. This false equivalency is naive and shows you haven't done your homework and like most third party types are more interested in validities than reality.
teacon7 (306 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
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I'm not comfortable voting for either major party candidate, and feel very unrepresented in the upcoming general election.
Ogion (3882 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
Well then pick a party that is closest and work to change it and push it to where you want it to go, Sanders style.
Ogion (3882 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
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And frankly they're the same two parties they've always been. Sure the GOP has come out of the closet a little but racism sexism and xenophobia have always been the foundation of conservativism in the US
You really don't want to remember that those racists keeping segregation going were Democrats, do you?

Georgia was the most solidly democratic state in the union (first Republican governor elected in around 2000). Yeah they were conservative, conservative Democrats and the party catered to them. Homework? get real. You aren't my teacher.
Fluminator (1500 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
Uhhh, they are not the same parties they have always been Ogion. I recommend you brush up on your history.
teacon7 (306 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
@Ogion - Now, I'm not really a fan of the two party system, and I'm not happy with the parties as they are right now, _especially_ the alt-right. But Ogion, with all respect, your charge against conservatism proper sounds like an ad hominem at worst and misinformation at best.

It's easy to paint conservatives as racist and xenophobic if you're only familiar with the trumped-up (pun intended) charges and representations made on the internet or newsmedia. History has a different story to tell, and that at least would be a better discussion than lobbing character assertions about persons or groups of people. Historically speaking, which party was responsible for emancipating enslaved persons? Do you think that party has changed since then? If so, make that argument. There are quite a few strains of conservatism contributing to the Republican party since the time of Reagan, and the alt-right is only one of them.

For what it's worth, I wish this ballots on the upticket election contained better representations of the strains of political philosophy in the united states. Sanders (If not as a Democrat, then what party does he fit?), Cruz (as a Constitutionalist), and Paul (as a Libertarian) deserved a hearing, and I feel like the machines of the primary party nomination shut out what valuable contributions they might have had. Each of them would have been a valuable addition to the debates, and likely would have arguments that better represent large portions the people.
brainbomb (290 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
People keep talking about democrats being pro segregation... we sorted that out in the 1860's. What is taking the Republican party so long?
Lethologica (203 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
CA: "On one side you have people who firmly believe that your basic everyday individual cannot fathom what needs to be done in the world, and they have to push their agenda no matter how much it costs and who has to pay for it."

Au contraire, one of the Democrats' principal concerns is who pays for things, cf. college and healthcare and progressive taxation. Also, "government can help" isn't the same as "the individual is incapable".

Ogion: "And frankly they're the same two parties they've always been. Sure the GOP has come out of the closet a little but racism sexism and xenophobia have always been the foundation of conservativism in the US"

That's complicated, at best. Trump singlehandedly reversed the party's position on free trade, for example. And eight years of Bush followed by eight years of Obama have made the instinctive Republican opposition into a bizarre mix of military adventurism and political isolationism. That's not a small change--since when does the right win labor votes?

CA, Democrat and Republican are inconstant labels. That the conservative southern racist vote moved from the Democrats to the Republicans isn't a strong argument against Ogion's claim. That's not to say I think he's right, but you'd do better looking for non-racist conservatives than by looking for racist Democrats.
brainbomb (290 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
If thats a talking point then I am Abe Lincoln.
teacon7 (306 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
@bb - funnily enough, aren't there some BLM activists currently pushing for "segregated" housing so that groups can live in ethic and cultural homogeneity?
TrPrado (461 D)
01 Oct 16 UTC
Are you sure it was the 1860s, brain? Not the 1960s?

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ND (879 D)
12 Sep 16 UTC
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MAFIA XXIII: TROUBLE IN THE COMMONWEALTH
See inside for details.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
04 Oct 16 UTC
Last Call for 2016 World Cup Signups
16/21 teams are signed up right now, with a bunch of players currently looking to form teams. Join them before it is too late!
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brainbomb (290 D)
03 Oct 16 UTC
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Congress Approval Rating up to 11%
Outraged Republicans insist we can make that number lower.
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
02 Oct 16 UTC
Feature discussion: newbie diplomacy
So, one feature that would be amazing for new players is a "test the waters" mode for diplomacy.

Something that new players could try to see if they like Diplomacy, without the commitment to a four month game checking the site every day, or setting aside five hours for a live game. Maybe it's a short game up until 1902? I have no idea. Ideas?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
04 Oct 16 UTC
One Pepe to rule them all (and in the dank memes jibe them)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okoAQCoMYx8

REALLY? CLINTON??? NOOOOO
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Red-Lion (382 D)
04 Oct 16 UTC
Classic Gunboat 23
Any interest? I'm going to start one up. Players should have about 30 minutes to join.
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BusDespres (182 D)
04 Oct 16 UTC
Live Gunboat RR now
Make it 45% so I can play. I'm at 47%
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Maniac (184 D(B))
25 Sep 16 UTC
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New players
If any new players (less than six months) want to play with a true webDip Legend please PM me for the password.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=183303
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WhiteSammy (132 D)
03 Oct 16 UTC
BACK IN THE GAME, Let's make it a good one!
gameID=183577

50 buy-in, anon, rulebook, 80% RR, Modern II
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
02 Oct 16 UTC
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webDiplomacy is doing ok
See inside for usage statistics and oil paintings.
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Maniac (184 D(B))
28 Sep 16 UTC
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It's been a while...
Who's up for a game of Anakara Crescent? I'll start with the Corbynista Opening.

Liverpool
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
26 Apr 16 UTC
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School of War Game Thread - Spring 2016
The official game thread of gameID=178165.
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
02 Oct 16 UTC
Artemis Bridge Simulator
It's kind an old program (been around since 2010) but its an awesome mix of role-playing and video game. Has anybody tried it?
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genghiz (14392 D)
02 Oct 16 UTC
Ryder Cup final today
Anyone out there watching the Ryder Cup today? US has a big lead, any thoughts on who's going to take it home?
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DammmmDaniel (100 D)
02 Oct 16 UTC
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Im Back!!!!!
Who missed me?!??!?!?! IM BACK IM BACK IM BACK. Join my game so i can kick your butts and take your dip points ASAP
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
30 Sep 16 UTC
#webDiplomacy twitter viral?
Can our members tweet #webdiplomacy? Can we make it viral?
https://twitter.com/webdiplomacy
What do you guys think? Is this a bad idea?
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The Czech (39715 D(S))
02 Oct 16 UTC
Mods Check email please
Pretty please
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chluke (12292 D(G))
29 Sep 16 UTC
vDip player names, same or different
For those of you with accounts both here and on vDip, do you use the same player id name or different names? If different, why?
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Halls of Mandos (1019 D)
30 Sep 16 UTC
Since there are no new people anymore...
Who wants to play a game with me and a friend in real life who is just starting out?
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Hannibal76 (100 D(B))
01 Oct 16 UTC
Question Time
Imagine a unit tapping another unit that's supporting a third unit to hold. However, the unit that's doing the tapping is dislodged. Is the unit that's holding still getting its support to hold?
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pjmansfield99 (100 D)
28 Sep 16 UTC
PJ Gunboat (the return - yet again)
As above below
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Ezio (2181 D)
28 Sep 16 UTC
1v1 games
Is it possible to play 1v1 games on this site? I love playing them in person, but can't seem to figure out a way to set one here. Am I not seeing an option somewhere?
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coachmc19 (2830 D)
29 Sep 16 UTC
New web dip game looking for another good team of 5
I have a team of five ready to beat your team of five. Message me! I'll be waiting... ;)
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brainbomb (290 D)
29 Sep 16 UTC
Brainbombs fall classic
I feel like wasting some points.
No password. Join if you dare.
80%RR 1 day phases Full press
gameID=183440
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Ezio (2181 D)
29 Sep 16 UTC
How do people communicate in Gunboat?
I'm playing in a couple gunboat games, and it seems like other players are working well together, with regards to support and such. I trust they are not messaging each other, and so I would like to know how they figure out what the other players are going to do.
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