why are you including masons? I have clearly said that masons are different from other town PRs and need to be separated.

@ delarosa: Get used to it, a lot of the game is like this.

nonono, BB, its 2 Mason and 3 towns )) it different. towns can be converted. mason can't

If you are implying we can roll out the magic carpet and find one of the 4 mason/cult members who are playing entirely different agendas that ludicrous.

We would however have a great shot of finding people who seem to be directing who to gun, who to vig, and who to convert. that would signal TOWN.

jamiet, why is guak better than bo_sox?

@OB: I have and it is still BS. not-so-random lynch is good for any side except the side who has the last person voting. Given that mafia has the most people, it could just as easily be a towntell as a culttell.

Pretty sure you are doing a great job of getting me killed guak.

@y2k: because Jamiet is an idiot.

@ delarosa: "towns can be converted. mason can't"

Wrong. Masons can be recruited to the cult - check the rules.

@brainbomb: how are they entirely different agendas? They are each trying to detect 'safe' conversions while trying to get their counterpart killed. It is the exact same agenda.

Also, what I mean is that we should be trying to actively find cultists and masons, not the remaining town PRs at this point. That means that everyone making an effort to try and find the remaining town PRs here is wasting it. Specially since those PRs may come in real handy in dealing with the cultists and masons .

masons are the closest thing to actual scum. the other minority power roles are more like third-party now than in the minority "scum" team.

##Vote Chaqa

im going back to my top read. For now I accept what you are saying.

@ y2kjbk: I'd be happy with either a bo_sox or a guak lynch. Both appear to be town.

@y2k: exactly

Wait, brainbomb, why Chaqa?

This day remains utter gibberish. I have not seen an argument for a lynch that makes logical sense other than the poor-but-best argument for a Bo lynch. I'm not surprised. Under this setup, we all have almost the exact same limited self-preservation objective on Day 1, and there is an incredibly low likelihood of making meaningful distinctions between players.

Do people disagree? Are people legitimately on the lookout for some "suspicious" behavior that suggests we should vote for someone? I really think we ought to end this day phase. I would expect that everyone else who is not Bo or Bo's partner(s) would agree. If you are not Bo or Bo's partner(s), ending the day now fulfills your objectives for the day perfectly.

Balki...that would modkill HR, Vecna, and several others who havent even voted...

No it wouldn't, brainbomb. If the day ends early due to a hammer, no-one is modkilled simply for not having voted. That rule only takes effect if the day runs its course. This was clarified by the GMs in the last game.

why is anyone against lynching bo_sox? I would only consider lynching the lurkiest player over bo_sox, save for another egregious slip.

Rules say " If you are not able to vote before the hammer is dropped, you will not be penalized for failing to vote during that day."

Any other reasons not to hammer Bo?

balki, what the hell is "suspicious behavior" to you right now?

I do not understand brainbomb's vote for Chaqa

guak:"not-so-random lynch is good for any side except the side who has the last person voting. Given that mafia has the most people, it could just as easily be a towntell as a culttell."

But the person with then most to gain is the one directing the policy, such as Balki did, if he's on a small team. It's very easy to bring it up as an idea and get people to go along with it once you know that everyone in your small team has already posted. At this point in time the Cult leader has the most to gain from that because they know their entire team unambiguously. If someone who pushed that agenda is called out for it, they just say "nah, I just called for a random lynch". It's not random and the fact that Balki wanted to join his proposal to the hammer mechanic is even worse. Are you really not seeing that?

Jamiet is right regarding the modkills.

why are we of the impression bo is just going to vanish tomorrow and be any less viable of a candidate then as he is now? Im a fan of lynching outside the obvious in hopes of double the juicyness

suspicious behavior to me has always been sensing an ulterior motive to "finding scum", but given the complicated setup, it's hard to interpret true scum-hunting from anyone, so the only suspicious behavior to me are blatant slips now. once we have some flips, rereading D1 will be a lot more useful.

Catching up.

@ brainbomb: You said Chaqa was your "top read", and now you are saying you want to "lynch outside the obvious". These two statements are contradictory. Please clarify.

Y2K, as I've tried to explain, I think everyone has almost the same objectives on this day. That means there is no suspicious behavior to look for, which means we can't draw meaningful distinctions between players. Thus, I would be happy to see this day end quickly so long as anyone is lynched other than me.

I really think this setup should have begun on Night 1. But I'm happy to lynch anyone who isn't me. Because Bo made a comment that makes him at least more likely than any other player to be Town, we ought to be able to get a majority to lynch him and hammer.