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Legilimens (110 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
Bug?
Look at gameID=111572 , specifically at France's fleet in Piedmont... why is Piedmont not blue, given that it is not an SC?
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hecks (164 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
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Nice things thread
It's a gorgeous late-winter Friday in Maine. There's not a cloud in the blue, blue sky, and it may get all the way up to the high 40s today. I'm in an uncharacteristically good mood, so I decided to start this thread inviting you webdippers to be happy about something.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Political Philosophy MOOC @ Harvard
https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/ER22x/2013_Spring/about

I've signed up, anyone else up for this?
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krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
Inflation
Why do government "inflation" figures always discount FOOD and ENERGY prices....which are the *bulk* of people's regular spending...?

Anyone know why this formula is used?
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Because it makes it seem not as bad as it is? I dunno.
hecks (164 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
Because energy prices fluctuate quickly on a number of other factors, particularly production volumes, independent of economic growth and conditions. Food prices, likewise, are vulnerable to weather fluctuations and closely linked to energy costs. Thus, food and energy are viewed as too variable to be a good economic indicator.

In this way the inflation index makes a good economic indicator, but is a poor measure of what that actually means for consumers.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Food and energy prices are naturally volatile and don't follow a natural pattern of price inflation.
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
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So - they could provide a non-energy inflation figure, and an energy-included rolling average inflation price..

It's just to hide the damage to the economy that is being done. Energy prices are killing the economy as much or more than anything...the hidden tax of a devalued dollar due to "quantitative easing" that has effectively caused energy prices on the global markets to skyrocket...

As for following a "natural pattern of inflation" -- I beg to differ, I have been watching my food prices take a very steady climb up. There is no "volatility" in my food prices, otherwise they would occasionally drop back down again. For the past 4 years, food prices have just gone up and up and up.
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
"In this way the inflation index makes a good economic indicator, but is a poor measure of what that actually means for consumers. "

Nonsensical statement. Since consumer are the economy, anything that poorly measures what is happening to consumers can not accurately describe the economy.

By the 2% inflation number, you would think things are great....but since consumers are bleeding out at the gas pumps and the grocery store, they don't have free cash for home improvements and non-essentials.
FlemGem (1297 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
+1 krellin. We can all watch the gasoline prices change from day to day, but my electric and gas bills don't bounce around, they just go up steadily. Farm commodity prices bounce a lot, but they've gone up steadily for years too, and you don't go into the grocery store and see a box of pancake mix for $2.99 on Monday and $1.17 on Thursday and $2.49 on Friday. Meat prices probably move the most, but again, there's a steady upward trend.
hecks (164 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
I'm not saying I think it's a good reason. But you asked why government economists don't include these measures. Having asked the same question myself of government economists I know, this is the reason I've been given.
hecks (164 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
But, to contradict your statement that "consumer are the economy" - consumers are in the economy, but given the degree to which business-to-business services and government contracts also make up economic activity, it would be a tad glib to contend individual consumers are the whole economy, or even at this point its primary focus.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
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Two things about CPI:

1. First, there isn't just a single measure of inflation. The BLS calculates several measures of CPI each month, including CPI-U All Items and CPI-U All Items Less Food and Energy. Most policymakers and news outlets just look at CPI-U Less Food and Energy because of volatility.

However,

2. CPI-U All Items is actually used for indexing purposes - treasury bills, COLA adjustments, Social Security payments, TIPS, etc. So what's reported by news outlets and the measure used to calculate payments and the official usage are two different numbers.

There isn't a great difference between the two, despite what krellin might think. CPI-U All Items was 0.8% last month, and CPI-U Less F&E was 0.4%.
Draugnar (0 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
But krellin, consumables vary base don availability. Energy and food are consumables. Durable goods are a better reflection of the economic trends. One day gas might be $4 per gallon and rop to $3.50 the very next day because something happened in the middle east. Likewise, dairy products and fresh produce vary based on the time of year because of growing seasons or the climate (cows produce less milk in a drought for instance).
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Also, hecks, consumers are very much the majority of the economy. Current gdp is around $15.6 trillion, of which consumer spending makes up about $11.1 trillion compared to business spending of $2 trillion and government spending of $3 trillion.
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
@hecks - I would agree in part with your B2B assertion...except that business only participate in B2B activites when they have a consumer to sell a good or servive to to begin with. Without a consumer, there is no B2B...and even at that, when B2B involves the transport of goods, or the transport of a service person, this is energy costs.

I recently recieved a quote for a new garbage service because my old service went bankrupt. I was given a price on the phone and told, "There will also be a fuel surcharge..." but not told what that surcharge would be. The bill arrived, and the fuel surcharge was an addition 35% to the quoted cost!!! (Frankly, I think I'm being robbed blind, because the fuel surcharge for *every* home basically means they could drive back and forth to the dump after each home and still cover the cost of fuel...but since they now have essentially a monopoly...I have no choice but to pay...fucking thieves!)

Anyway...point is...energy costs impact essentially *every* business transaction in society, whether it is a consumer level transaction, or B2B. Even your non-physical product services - say your internet provider - is being hit with increasingly expensive energy costs for both electricity and repair dudes keeping the physical network intact and up to date. AND....energy costs increases were a *focus* and specific promise of Obama back before his *first* election...(just sayin'...he essentially promised to put coal out of business while never providing an alternate, *equivalent* replacement...)
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
In other words...our current economic problems....are by design.
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
Draug - like I said, you could provide a NON_Energy inflation number, and a Rolling-Average inflation number that includes energy adn consumables. Everyone with a household budget can estimate the increased cost of energy and consumable by looking at their check book. If I can do it...why can't the government report it?
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
"CPI-U All Items was 0.8% last month" Wow...was unaware of this number - don't here it reported on the business overview I listen to. 0.8% in a *month* is a *horrifying* number!!!
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
krellin, read what I already wrote you fucktard. They already provide both AND use the energy and food-included inflation measure for all legislation. God damn fucktard, learn to read.
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
2WL -- I hadnt' refreshed my page and didn't see your post yet, FUCKTARD. Fucking chill, bitch.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
0.8% is *not* at all high. It was at 0.0% of *negative* half of 2012.
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
As YOU obviously replied to ME before comprehending my post which refers to yours, you illiterate douchebag!!
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Too busy pounding your keyboard with your fists and shouting at your cats to read, huh, fucktard?

http://epicyearproject.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/jim-carrey-typing1.gif
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
0.8% in a MONTH is 9.6% annually. That is MASSIVE, retard!
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Too bad it's not extrapolated on a yearly basis. Like I JUST WROTE, inflation was at zero or negative for half of 2012.
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
2WL are you talking to yourself again, retard?
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
You are slower than shit, or else your Packard-Bell and dial up internet is just too slow. Upgrade the connection in your trailer, half-wit.
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
2WL, you fucking illiterate, you did NOT say anything about 0% or negative in the same post as the 0.8% MONTHYLY number. God you are stupid.

AND...negative inflation is not good for the economy, either. Negative price pressure means lower profits for companies, which means not enough money to pay employees, which means lay-offs and firings.

But, to go from 0% to 9.6% annualized inflation is a *horrible* trend. If you can't figure that out then you are just beyond help.
krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
2WL, since you can't even comprehend what you yourself have written, there is little point in continuing with you.

Perhaps you shoudl go back to your anger management class or go stroke of bo-sox or something to calm down.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Overall inflation was a meager 1.2% in 2012, a year in which it also happened to rise 0.8% in March. Look familiar to this year, maybe? Again, I stress learning to read.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Monthyly numbers are not yearyly numbers, fucktard
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Forget learning to read, focus on counting!
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
I'd say you could count your teeth but you'd be better off on your fingers.

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Mnrogar (100 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
why are we not proceedig to the next phase?
Game-56

Everybody has input their orders (green check mark everywhere) why is the game not progressing???
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Liberal of the day awards
To help Sbyvl36 on his noble quest of muting liberals, we will utilize this thread in determining who is the most liberal person of the day, and why he is liberal. Post possible nominations below and reasons as to why they are the liberal of the day. Together we should be able to make a decision and make Sbyvl36s life easier.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Better Thought Experiments than SYnapse Posted
Schrodinger's Cat. Borel's Monkeys. Parfit's Teleporter. No. Pensées... so much more fun. More thought; no answers.
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hecks (164 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
Blankflag variant
global press only no punctuation capitalization or line breaks anyone who uses them has to nmr the round whos in
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
A mute a day keeps the Liberals away.
I have now started a tradition of muting one liberal everyday. I mute these people based on the radical statements that they make in the forum. As I don't want to hear it anymore, I am taking advantage of a very pleasant tool.
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CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
EOG: Grande Armée
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
14 Mar 13 UTC
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Happy Pi Day! (and happy bday to me too :)
Three point one four one
Five nine two six five three five
Eight nine. And so on.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
15 Mar 13 UTC
An MSNBC Article a Day Keeps Sbyvl Away Because He Likely Muted Me
http://theclicker.today.com/_news/2013/03/14/17313112-big-bang-theory-stars-tease-bittersweet-episode-romance?lite

The Big Bang Theory. Let's go, liberals.
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jimgov (219 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Real Science! The Higgs Boson confirmed
Since we are talking science today, I've noticed that no one has jumped on the announcement that the Higgs Boson was confirmed today. Although it has been suspected for decades, actually finding the particle that possibly gives everything its mass is a huge announcement.
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Mathmaticious (100 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
Join my game gameID=112459
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King Atom (100 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
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I'm Taking Back This Goddamn Forum!
I USED to be the Liberal antagonist troll 'round these parts. Now Sbyvl69 thinks he can just come through and stick his ass in the burner? Hell no, Subivyl, I defy you and your poorly placed beliefs. AND I WON'T REST UNTIL YOU'RE DEAD! (Also, anyone who 'keeps' krellin, but mutes Draug is just about the dumbest dumbass in the world.)
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
10 Mar 13 UTC
Last seen online?
I just saw somebody in a game online with a blue icon, but it didn't change the flag 'last seen online'. Question: how do these functions work? Is the blue icon reliable? Does the flag switch when a game is opened or literally when somebody is online?
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ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
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Hey Thucy
"On the other hand if I must say anything on the subject of female excellence to those of you who will now be in widowhood, it will be all comprised in this brief exhortation. Great will be your glory in not falling short of your natural character; and greatest will be hers who is least talked of among the men whether for good or for bad." -Thucydides

#hypocrite #sexist #fuckthucy #ineedtogetsomesleep
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
Shooting in my hometown today
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/four-killed-in-shootings-in-upstate-new-york.html?hp&_r=0
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Admiral Jones (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Unpause
Hello all, I am in a game with six others playing in 1902 Europe and we all paused the game and now cannot unpause it and continue playing. How do we unpause and continue??
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Mar 13 UTC
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Blankflag Confusion Thread
If Nigee wasn't enough... here you go.
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Mar 13 UTC
Burning fossil fuels makes the planet greener?
see below.
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yaks (218 D)
13 Mar 13 UTC
Underused Move
Look for the post
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blankflag (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
expert advice needed
it seems as though i played everything perfectly, yet somehow lost. im not sure what happened here. is it possible i am not as skilled as i once thought?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=112222#gamePanel
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Microfarad (100 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Cannot vote unpause
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=111482
In this game we are not able to unpause. Please an administrator fix it
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Mathmaticious (100 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Join my game. gameID=112459
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
13 Mar 13 UTC
Do Americans save money?
It may just be stupid television, but it seems like most Americans either spend their money as soon as they get it or save it to buy something more expensive as soon as they've got enough. Is this true for most Americans or is that just television? I don't know about other countries but here in the Netherlands most people (adults at least) have quite some money stashed on a bank account for worse days...
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Babyboy (111 D)
23 Feb 13 UTC
Noobi tourny
5 point gunboat, classic map tourny for noobs.
please post below if intrested.
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
24 Feb 13 UTC
Default disband orders?
Hey all, I just joined a game as CD replacement, and Russia CDd as well during a disband phase. Since he does not fill in a disband order, the adjudicator forces him to disband.
My question: how is this disband determined?

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jgurstein (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
locked games
I don't understand it: I see so many locked games that people join but I never see them advertised in the forum. How do people who create the game expect to get the password to potential players? And, if I want to participate in a locked game, would it be odd to pm one of the players who already joined and just ask for the password?
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DoctorJingles (212 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Live gunboat interest thread.
Trying to play a live gunboat wta on either Ancient med or the classic map. anyone interested in playing either, post below and just put which map you prefer. which ever gets enough players first, i will start a game. lets go guys :)
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