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dubmdell (556 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Congressional Research Service Report: Wealth Doesn't Trickle Down!
You can download the CRS report from this Huffington Post article. Damn I wish TC were here. I have never missed him so badly. Also krellin, who hasn't been spouting racial slurs ever since I rewrote "Hey Mickey" for him. But hey, the rest of you Reaganomics types, feel free to criticize the report and turn a blind eye to its findings! (link inside)
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
10 Nov 12 UTC
EoG: Partys Fun Palace-27
An exciting game.
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twinsnation (503 D(B))
10 Nov 12 UTC
anc med
can i get pass word to 5 min anc med game please
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
10 Nov 12 UTC
EoG: Partys Fun Palace-28
Phew.
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taos (281 D)
03 Nov 12 UTC
7 games 7 players
who is in?
only serious players please(no cd`s)
cd`s will be punished
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diplonerd (173 D)
10 Nov 12 UTC
Unread global message in no-message game
i lol'd http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=103398#chatbox
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Yonni (136 D(S))
23 Oct 12 UTC
WebDip Triathlon Round 3
threadID=916459 got lost...
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
09 Nov 12 UTC
EOG: No-Press
gameID=103848

One of the most undeserved draws I've been a part of. Artic, you could have won on the next move...Thanks?
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Deckler (100 D)
09 Nov 12 UTC
Quitting
Is there an in-game option to leave a game, or does one have to wait for you to time out?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Voter Fraud
Its all over but the voter fraud.
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President Eden (2750 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Step 1 for GOP image reform: drug legalization
N.B.: This is not intended to be a discussion on the merits or demerits of drug legalization. I'm approaching the issue strictly from an electoral standpoint, that is, would this change be a good or bad move for the GOP politically.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
09 Nov 12 UTC
Name and shame v right to privacy
UK based discussion on alleged sex scandals.
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
09 Nov 12 UTC
Where did TC go
As one of the few people who never actually muted TC, it just occured to me that I haven't seen him in a while, thoughts as to where he went?
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y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
09 Nov 12 UTC
Need new India for high stakes game
gameID=102724

Pretty decent spot if you're up for the challenge and the bet with a build. Join up!
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
International Reaction to the US Presidential Election?
CNN's reports characterized the UK response in one word--"WHEW!"
Accurate?
What do our WebDip friends Across the Pond think?
(Do you even CARE, actually, is this as big a deal internationally as some believe it to be, or is that all false American-fueled sentiment?)
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Partysane (10754 D(B))
07 Nov 12 UTC
The Germans seem to be quite ok with Obama doing another term. Overall opinion here was the Romney was a right wing moron that noone would have liked to deal with in any way.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
So the German opinion is essentially my opinion? :)
Zmaj (215 D(B))
07 Nov 12 UTC
Europeans in general would vote for Obama. He seems liberal and doesn't talk about war. Sadly, he's not nearly as entertaining as Bush or Clinton.
largeham (149 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
In Australia I dare say in general most people support/like Obama, but mostly it is luke warm support. Mostly because Romney/the GOP look like a crazier version of Tony Abbott. But as always it depends upon who you talk to.
http://www.avn.info.ve/contenido/obama-es-reelecto-presidente-estados-unidos venezuelan opinion seems anti obama but still happy he won instead of Romney
Octavious (2701 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
The British generally see the American election (at least those of us who are aware of it) as a pantomime, with the Republicans as the villains and the Democrats as the good guys. Only a small minority pay any real attention to it.
Yonni (136 D(S))
07 Nov 12 UTC
Up in America's hat, polls showed about 75% or so would vote for Obama. And we have our 'right wing' party in power at the moment. Says a whole lot about the current state of American politics.
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Who gives a fuck?
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
I'll tell you international reaction: the Russians, the Iranians, the Jihadis, the Chinese and the North Koreans are delighted.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Nov 12 UTC
"Sadly, he's not nearly as entertaining as Bush or Clinton."

I find that good, but okay...
Stressedlines (1559 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Russians? you mean the government, as I know Russian people in general dislike Obama.

Putin loves it I am sure, but then again, who knows what Putin likes.
dubmdell (556 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
"I'll tell you international reaction: the Russians, the Iranians, the Jihadis, the Chinese and the North Koreans are delighted."

Because these nations partnered with Barack Obama to conduct a grand scheme to ruin America. First, Obama immigrates from Kenya to the U.S. at a very young age. (At some point, forge a Hawaiian birth certificate.) Then, slowly move up the political ladder. Somehow, get elected POTUS. (We're not done yet, here's the important step:) Get /reelected/ POTUS. Then destroy America.

That's the plan, folks. The long, convoluted plan.

Seriously, why would Obama wish to see America weakened? There's no motive.
I'm pretty sure most of the world has a lukewarm response. Not happy that it's Obama, but happy its not Romney. I looked at a Chinese public opinion poll on CNN and found that 39% viewed the US government favorably, compared to around 68% a few years ago...
LanGaidin (1509 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
dipp... what exactly was Romney going to do that would have made the Russians, Iranians, Jihadis, Chinese and North Koreans do differently??
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Nov 12 UTC
Call them Currency Manipulators, of course!
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Protect American interests and citizens.
JECE (1248 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Here's another article along these lines:
http://www.ctpost.com/news/world/article/Obama-s-re-election-celebrated-around-world-4014891.php

obiwanobiwan: Yes, of course people care. Internationals in the U. S. virtually always support the Democrat over the Republican for a reason.
But....they are currency manipulators...
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
07 Nov 12 UTC
I'll tell you what the biggest currency manipulation in the world is, trading crude oil in US dollars. Come the day they start trading oil in another currency ....... watch that greenback crumble.
ulytau (541 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
"obiwanobiwan: Yes, of course people care. Internationals in the U. S. virtually always support the Democrat over the Republican for a reason."

The politics in the US are very skewed to the right. GOP is to the right of Democrats. That means Democrats are the lesser evil for the absolute majority of non-US electorate, be it center-right, centrist or leftist. If anything, the GOP is outpolling the numbers it should rationally have among non-US citizens, since many rightists don't feel comfortable with supporting the more leftist party even though it might be closer to their positions.
Pete U (293 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
@Octavious, I'm going to disagree. I think a fair number of Brits realise that the US election result is going to have a significant impact on the UK, both in terms of international relations, but also in the economic camp.

The relative shift of the US political centre ground compared to the UK (more socially conservative, less authoritarian, less statist) means that we see Obama as someone that we could see working in UK politics, whereas Romney seemed to hold a number of more extreme positions.

Pretty much everyone I know is glad Obama won, because the media image of Romney was less than appealing
Octavious (2701 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
@ Pete

They might well think that, but ask them why and most won't really have any reason other than a vague notion that Romney (Panto villian in chief) would have been itching to blast the middle east into oblivian, tax the poor to feed the rich, burn oil until we all die in the smog, and shoot Mexicans. I honestly doubt there are many Brits who could spot or name a genuine policy of either side other than Obamacare.

Victorious (768 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Around 90% of the Dutch people would vote Obama. I dont think it would differ a lot for us if Romney had won, but as a public administration student, i wont like the republican ideas about the functioning of Government.
LanGaidin (1509 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Yes...because I'm sure Obama's goal is to NOT protect American interests and citizens.
LanGaidin (1509 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
I feel so much less safe now....if only Romney would have been elected then I know there would never have been another ill thought toward American interests and citizens. This is the shit that is soo ridiculous. The reality is that its assinine to say that either person was running for office so they could bring america down.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
08 Nov 12 UTC
Romney is a bigoted idiot ...... lots of white Americans voted for him showing they too are bigoted idiots. Thankfully the majority of Americans have some common sense, democracy still works but the U.S political system needs reforming.
LordTywin (196 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Oh I see, anyone who voted for the white guy is automatically a bigot. You are a classic Nigee. They didn't vote for him at all because the douche who currently holds the office had 4 years and did NOTHING.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
wait, if you are white and voted for Romney you are a bigot? What if you are black and voted for Obama, what are you then?

Just for the record, that is maybe one of the dumbest comments Nigee has ever put up

97% of blacks vote for a black man, but that is not 'bigoted', right? And before anyone says "blacks always vote Democrat" I will point to exhibit B, where Hillary clinton, who is a Deomcrat, and highly popular one, ran against Senor Obama in 2008 Primary, and Blacks went for Mr obama I believe by roughly 85% in those primaries.

Bill Clinton was highly popular amongst the Black Community, and his wife was also, so the fact that they went for obama by 85% to 15 in a Democratic primary is what exactly?

I did not vote for either of these buffoons (I did vote though), but when Nigee says something this stupid, welllll, I am going to call him on it.

How about the whites who did vote for Obama in 2008, but then voted for Romney in 2012? What are they? What about the whites who voted for him 08, and stayed home this time, they also bigots?

Idiot. I have not heard race brought into this election much at all this time (really HARD to do since he needs whites to win the damn Presidency, and a lot of them) but some fucking sub 60 IQ Brit managed to do it.

Do I think SOME people voted for Obama because he was white or Obama was black? sure, but I also am sure lots of blacks voted for Obama because he was black also. I alsothink some people voted for Romney cuz he was a Mormon. Ah, but I know for a fact lots did not vote for him because he was a Mormon (they chosenot to vote at all, and I know this because I live in the Bible belt and had to listen to them bellyache over his faith)

Lots of 'bigoted' people voted in this election, but Nigee manages to just select one group.

For the record...gary Johnson got my vote. Thank you, have a nice day bigot.

Octavious (2701 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Nigee provides an excellent example of the sort of painfully ill-informed and largely inaccurate opinion promoted by the media in the UK. Despite the fact that an ape of lower than average intellect could work out, given time, that a chap who challenges for President must be pretty bright, the idea persists that Republican candidates are idiots.

I find this depressing
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
What needs reforming isn't so much the US political system, Nigee, as the US political sensibility.

There is a civil war of words in this country...
Not between whites and blacks...
Not between workers and bosses...
Not between the urban and rural areas...

It's between an Old America and an emerging New America.

To be clear:

"Old" doesn't mean "wrong" or "disgusting," that is...I'm not including, say, Rush Limbaugh and like-minded droning-on-drones and blowhards when I say this.

By "Old America," I mean the sort of America one might stereotypically imagine even just a decade or so ago:

Mostly white.
"Defined" minorities in Blacks, Latinos, and Asians.
Nearly all Judeo-Christian, at least publicly.
Most some sort of Protestant denomination; Jews and Catholics noted religious minorities.
The life-plan of:
1. K-12 schooling,
2. Get a menial, part-time job, say, flipping burgers or at a movie theatre,
3. Get a license and car,
4. Start dating,
5. 4-year college degree,
6. Graduate, get a full-time job out of college, and get married, in various orders...
7. Get a house, then a better car, then a better house, etc.,
8. Have kids,
9. Have those kids begin the process and finally,
10. Retire around 60, 65 or so, and then play out the string until then end, as it were.

That sort of stable pattern that governed generations no longer is so linear or predictable or universal; for instance, I know a lot of folks here of older generations may have considered getting a car one of the great moments of their life, at least they may have felt it was at the time, a feeling of "Oh boy, a car, FINALLY!" whereas now, I'm sure that's still a feeling many do feel, but with the Internet, I would venture that the way most such people felt about cars, some (myself included) would feel that way instead about getting our first cell phones and laptops.

Different levels of freedom, different levels of social connection and understanding, and it breeds, as a result, a different sort of society.

THERE'S NO WAY I'd have likely become an atheist, Democrat, and literature lover the way I did or as soon as I did if I'd lived, say, in Draugnar's generation (I only use him as an example as I believe he is older...?)

All of that I got via the Internet, really:

If my knowledge of books were limited to only what I could by and what was immediate, chances are I'd have read far less by this point, and a far more limited canon at that...books and plays on YouTube as well as free audiobooks on YouTube allow me to read more and more diverse things, and consume them faster--and with all that comes a quicker pace of shifting in forming ideas and considering new opinions (after all, I couldn't read papers from LA, NY, Washington, London and Jerusalem, just for a start, if not for the Internet, I'd be limited to the local paper and LA Times on Sundays, and that'd affect my world view significantly by limiting it drastically.)

So I wouldn't have read as many books...
Read and watched and talked to the people that led me to embrace a Left-of-Center stance...
Or been able to hear Yale lectures on atheism and religion as well as Dawkins and Hitchens; Yale, Oxford, UCLA, and a great many universities offer open course mp3 audio recordings of their lectures, and I take advantage of that and download them to my iPod and listen...NO WAY I would ever hear these lectures and what they have to say without the Internet, and the more you listen to, and the more videos you watch (and online forum chats on a board game site about politics and religion, maybe?) the more your view evolves.

Old America has none of that, because it's based on a mode of living and way of thinking that's as slow and in many ways outdated in its approach and ideology as we today might consider a pre-automobile America.

Planes, Trains, and Automobiles changed the pace of life, and cities and urban centers as melting pots created a New America once before, contrasting with an older, horse-and-buggy America, and most of us can't imagine the latter lifestyle in its fullest, 19th century glory...unless you're Amish, but then, if you are, what are you doing reading this? ;)

The Internet Revolution has led to the same thing--what the car and plane was to 20th century America's cultural explosion, the laptop and smartphone are to the 21st century.

The same way cities were once the melting pot of peoples and ideas, so too are forums, boards, YouTube videos, and the like a shared venue that almost guarantees all who engage in it will cross-pollinate ideas to at least some degree; you'd have to be the most stubborn human being imaginable to never once change your viewpoint or really consider a new idea in a way you hadn't thought of before via Internet or social media exposure...everyone who goes on forums and watches such videos at least occasionally is confronted with new vantage points and views, and thus sometimes accept them.

And then there's the raw fact of immigration itself--

What the Jews, Poles, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, and so on were at the beginning of the 20th century immigrating en masse from Central and Eastern Europe as well as East Asia, so too are the Latinos, Arabs, Indians, and so on that are immigrating in such numbers right now.

There ARE two noticeable differences, there, however, and these cause a conflict between Old and New America:

1. It's ALWAYS been the case that immigrants came to be assimilated into American culture due to economic necessity and cultural pressures; even if you spoke beautifully-eloquent Italian or Mandarin, you couldn't work in America if you didn't know English, and you couldn't, to a large extent, socialize with people if you didn't give way to the dominant Protestant leanings of the nation...this is NOT the case with Latinos, however, and it's causing a heretofore unseen phenomenon in America, namely, immigrants that can immigrate here AND avoid such assimilation. So many Latinos living here speak Spanish that you CAN, feasibly, live in such a Latino-rich center like right here in LA County and not speak English well, or hardly at all, if you just want maid, construction, or other such work, chances are you can find it without learning English too well, and you'll have enough Latinos around who can speak YOUR language that it decreases the incentive to assimilate and learn this odd new language...what's more, the Catholic Church being as dominant as it is and already-established in America, Latinos don't feel the need to keep their head down, as it were, religiously, and assimilate that way, whereas my great-great-grandparents, Jews all, would've kept quiet and not spoken up about their religion in mixed company on arrival here, learning their lessons about that in Germany and Russia already. As such, the method of assimilation that has "worked" for 200+ years may not work with Latinos, and we may very well see areas like LA and Miami more permanently bilingual, though English will still unquestionably remain the language of higher commerce and subsequent generations are sure to learn it the same way I know English and not very much Yiddish at all.

2. All these previous groups, with the exception of the East Asians, were largely European, and so had at least a shared WESTERN heritage; this isn't the case with the East Asians, obviously, but as they largely occupied specific regions (San Francisco, the Pacific Northwest, some in New York) they didn't really pose a challenge to what we all "shared" (even the Jews, to an extent) to that point, namely, a shared Judeo-Christian, Western tradition of "Shakespeare, Milton and the Bible!" to quote Higgins. With Arabs, Indians, and yet more Asian immigrants, this is increasingly not the case. The Western as well as the Judeo-Christian tinge that colored Old America is now obsolete, and not universal among Americans at all. It's still a nation FOUNDED on Western ideals, but no longer one expressly of such ideals. What's more, for a country that for most of its history has traditionally identified unofficially as Protestant, an influx of Catholic Latinos, more vocal Mormons, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and now at least 10-20% of their population (much of it young) that identifies as agnostic or atheistic to some degree, the informal religious ties that bound Old America together are thoroughly severed.



Old America is a compendium of all those past tropes--White, Protestant, Western, Straight, etc.

New America is a refutation of much of that, or at least a more complex picture--White AND Black AND Latino AND Asian AND Arabic AND Indian AND so on...
Protestant AND Catholic AND Mormon AND Jewish AND Muslim AND Buddhist AND Atheist AND so on...
Western AND Eastern...
Straight AND Gay...

It's not as clearly defined as Old America, and that's how it, somewhat paradoxically, defines itself, as a COALITION and NOT as a Melting Pot of American Assimilation.

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KhediveRex (100 D)
09 Nov 12 UTC
New Austria needed. And he's doing well!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=101695#gamePanel
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butterhead (90 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Gunboats VS. Full Press:
So I learned from my recent string of gunboats over on vdip that I seem to be better at gunboats than full press games...
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Can We Pull Off a Full Sweep Tonight And...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/11/07/michele_bachmann_is_cutting_it_close_tight_race_against_jim_graves_in_minnesota.html
Vote the a top Tea Partier, Bachmann, OUT???
Obama re-elected...we've elected our first openly gay senator...Maine and Maryland vote to allow gay marriage...Scott Brown has been voted out in Mass...1, 2, 3, 4, come on, one more, Bachmnann OUT...! :D
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Is it EVER acceptable to CD?
If you're in a game which has been disrupted by mutlis not once, but twice, and you've voted "cancel" but not all other players have done the same, because some of them stand to benefit from the disruption caused by the multi(s)...
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President Eden (2750 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
I dunno where the thread is, but
Earlier today I said Nate Silver was overrated and made bad projections. I was flat-out wrong. Just want to eat a little crow and give props to one of the best prognosticators of our time. I'm a believer
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aguas (100 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Landbridge?
Do the arrows on the ancient mediterranean map between gibiraltar and morocco or sicilia and nepaoli indicate landbridges? can armies move across these areas without a convoy?
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demmahom (100 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
World War-17
I'm sorry, but this thread is mostly for the mods or admins or gamemasters. We have a game, http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=100329&viewArchive=Maps, and it has been paused for 44 days, 3 hours (24 Sep 2012). The players, the ones who actually still care about this game and haven't given up on it, agree that this is an incredibly long pause and so I want to ask if this could be unpaused or if there is a time limit to how long a game can be paused. Thanx
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Attention All Other Children of the 90s...Boy Meets World Spin-off Show Coming (What?)
If you grew up in the 90s like me, chances are you've at least heard of "Boy Meets World," (hey, Mr. Feeny introduced me to "Hamlet"--"Hamlet gets on a lot of people's nerves, makes one stupid mistake after another, and for five acts, he NEVER shuts up!") and now "BMW" is getting a sequel show...a full decade later...and Cory's...a teacher...??? http://tv.yahoo.com/news/-boy-meets-world--sequel-scoop--cory-turns-into-mr--feeny-.html
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
07 Nov 12 UTC
DEAR PRESIDENT EDEN
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dubmdell (556 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
A final article on the election cycle
How the conservative media failed the rank-and-file conservatives. This seems pretty dead on.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/how-conservative-media-lost-to-the-msm-and-failed-the-rank-and-file/264855/
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Christie vs. ????
Barrack Obama is President. Romney is a footnote in history. Start the 4 year Chris Christie campaign!
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HITLER69 (0 DX)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Say I
If you like pie!
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
07 Nov 12 UTC
EoG: Sicker boys
...if only because we played for an hour and a half.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
07 Nov 12 UTC
Where do we go from here?
Will this defeat in what should have been an opportunistic moment finally force Republicans to get back to what they should be doing? True fiscal conservatism, staying away from crazy and ridiculous social policies, and stop pandering to the bible thumpers? What comes next for the GOP?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Question from a European about the US elections
Why wasn't one of the following people candidate VP in Romney's team: Marco Rubio, Kay Hutchinson, Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal. Why did he pick the mirror image of himself?
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