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bolshoi (0 DX)
02 Mar 12 UTC
who needs lebanon?
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/01-03-2012/120646-No_Lebanon_will_be_on_map-0/

why stop at palestine? keep the bulldozers rolling!
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Feb 12 UTC
Where the free market FAILED
sorta a late response to a lot of TCs advocating free market captialism. This is an article and talk about an industry that because of how free the market was, the market failed.
http://www.economist.com/node/21548240
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bolshoi (0 DX)
02 Mar 12 UTC
question of skill
if there is a game where the only two countries to cd are england and italy, and the game eventually leads to a four way draw, where france is just about to be eliminated at the end. does that indicate gross incompetence on france's part? this question is of vital importance to my self worth.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
02 Mar 12 UTC
THE TRUTH SHALL NOT BE SILENCED
-p e
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 Mar 12 UTC
This is a Debug Thread
DO *NOT* Post here unless you are bolshoi.
I am trying to reproduce a reported bug.
bolshoi, Please just post, numbering 1, 2, 3, etc until the bug appears. Then stop posting and PM me.
If anyone else posts here, I will Silence you.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
29 Feb 12 UTC
MadHouse's invitational
gameID=81977
You're all cowards. Players with a >100 GR wouldn't dare to be in this game.
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Werner (877 D)
29 Feb 12 UTC
Need help from a mod
Could one of the mods please take a look at the game "The Med... Is the best VI"? Seems we are stuck in pause due to a newbie who has since left the game. Thanks!
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President Eden (2750 D)
02 Mar 12 UTC
MadHouse Invitational Roll-Call
gameID=81977

As the game was supposed to have a list of all participants made available, I thought it would be better to post here instead of in game and reveal identity.
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DILK (1539 D)
28 Feb 12 UTC
High Stakes Gunboat
Hey everyone, I want to start a high point WTA anon gunboat. I am thinking at least a few hundred points. Would anyone be interested? If so shoot me a PM and we can discuss points, time per phase, and the password.
I am just sick of PPSC games and constant CD's.
Also it'd be best to not post in this thread and just PM me to keep up the anonymity
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
02 Mar 12 UTC
Need players
Dear all,
I still need some strong players for this game
gameID=81977
Classic, full-press, WTA, 101 D, anon, PM me for the password!
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krellin (80 DX)
02 Mar 12 UTC
England Needed -- Good position (Top 3)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=80985#gamePanel
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dvp834 (100 D)
02 Mar 12 UTC
H. Kissinger's Allies game
if you need an extra player, i'd love to join
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World Diplomacy - Tripping on a Wipple Dip
Please join my game. And then, please buy my books.
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Aphetor (121 D)
02 Mar 12 UTC
Move Review
Hey folks -

I'm a bit new to Dip, and I couldn't find anything in the rules or the DATC tests to help me figure out why the outcome of the move I just saw resulted the way it did.
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Geofram (130 D(B))
17 Feb 12 UTC
Re: Ghost-Rating, Fill This Out.
http://tinyurl.com/ghostratingsurvey
Do it. Do it now. And post criticism or needed additions to the form here.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
01 Mar 12 UTC
Cleanroom Update
I don't know if anyone cares, but this forum as been overflowing with bile recently, so I'm going to post this anyway.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
26 Feb 12 UTC
in religion people question almost everything but everybody assumed Jesus was there
opening message is too long, will be reply...
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2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
02 Mar 12 UTC
TC vs. Bolshoi
It's on!
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
02 Mar 12 UTC
who is boilsho is he new.
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President Eden (2750 D)
01 Mar 12 UTC
Dear bolshoi,
If you're the only one calling attention to your own trolling, you are not a troll. Please refrain from soiling our bad name with your even worse attempts.

Thanks,
Eden
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hugu37 (100 D)
02 Mar 12 UTC
country assignment
is there a formula, or is it random? I'm in 7 ongoing games currently, assigned Austria in 3 of them and Germany 2. Just seems a little overstacked. Granted, I've also had periods wherein I was Russia in 3/4 games at one point. Not griping, just curious to know how it works.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
29 Feb 12 UTC
Game 6: Revelation
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Puddle (413 D)
29 Feb 12 UTC
Iranian Nuclear Proliferation
Opener too long, be as a response.

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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
27 Feb 12 UTC
Does this speech make you puke?
As my time here is winding down I've been posting less and have had a no thread posting policy. Unfortunately a news item that kicked me in the balls has popped up and I wanted to see if anyone can support the statements of one-half of the Republicans dynamic duo.

The question, like Mr. Santorum does this speech make you puke, and if so which part?
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http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jfkhoustonministers.html

Reverend Meza, Reverend Reck, I'm grateful for your generous invitation to state my views.

While the so-called religious issue is necessarily and properly the chief topic here tonight, I want to emphasize from the outset that I believe that we have far more critical issues in the 1960 campaign; the spread of Communist influence, until it now festers only 90 miles from the coast of Florida -- the humiliating treatment of our President and Vice President by those who no longer respect our power -- the hungry children I saw in West Virginia, the old people who cannot pay their doctors bills, the families forced to give up their farms -- an America with too many slums, with too few schools, and too late to the moon and outer space. These are the real issues which should decide this campaign. And they are not religious issues -- for war and hunger and ignorance and despair know no religious barrier.

But because I am a Catholic, and no Catholic has ever been elected President, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured -- perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again -- not what kind of church I believe in, for that should be important only to me -- but what kind of America I believe in.

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute; where no Catholic prelate would tell the President -- should he be Catholic -- how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference, and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him, or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accept instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials, and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been -- and may someday be again -- a Jew, or a Quaker, or a Unitarian, or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that led to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today, I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you -- until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped apart at a time of great national peril.

Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end, where all men and all churches are treated as equals, where every man has the same right to attend or not to attend the church of his choice, where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind, and where Catholics, Protestants, and Jews, at both the lay and the pastoral levels, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.

That is the kind of America in which I believe. And it represents the kind of Presidency in which I believe, a great office that must be neither humbled by making it the instrument of any religious group nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding it -- its occupancy from the members of any one religious group. I believe in a President whose views on religion are his own private affair, neither imposed upon him by the nation, nor imposed by the nation upon him¹ as a condition to holding that office.

I would not look with favor upon a President working to subvert the first amendment's guarantees of religious liberty; nor would our system of checks and balances permit him to do so. And neither do I look with favor upon those who would work to subvert Article VI of the Constitution by requiring a religious test, even by indirection. For if they disagree with that safeguard, they should be openly working to repeal it.

I want a Chief Executive whose public acts are responsible to all and obligated to none, who can attend any ceremony, service, or dinner his office may appropriately require of him to fulfill; and whose fulfillment of his Presidential office is not limited or conditioned by any religious oath, ritual, or obligation.

This is the kind of America I believe in -- and this is the kind of America I fought for in the South Pacific, and the kind my brother died for in Europe. No one suggested then that we might have a divided loyalty, that we did not believe in liberty, or that we belonged to a disloyal group that threatened -- I quote -- "the freedoms for which our forefathers died."

And in fact this is the kind of America for which our forefathers did die when they fled here to escape religious test oaths that denied office to members of less favored churches -- when they fought for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom -- and when they fought at the shrine I visited today, the Alamo. For side by side with Bowie and Crockett died Fuentes, and McCafferty, and Bailey, and Badillo, and Carey -- but no one knows whether they were Catholics or not. For there was no religious test there.

I ask you tonight to follow in that tradition -- to judge me on the basis of 14 years in the Congress, on my declared stands against an Ambassador to the Vatican, against unconstitutional aid to parochial schools, and against any boycott of the public schools -- which I attended myself. And instead of doing this, do not judge me on the basis of these pamphlets and publications we all have seen that carefully select quotations out of context from the statements of Catholic church leaders, usually in other countries, frequently in other centuries, and rarely relevant to any situation here. And always omitting, of course, the statement of the American Bishops in 1948 which strongly endorsed Church-State separation, and which more nearly reflects the views of almost every American Catholic.

I do not consider these other quotations binding upon my public acts. Why should you?

But let me say, with respect to other countries, that I am wholly opposed to the State being used by any religious group, Catholic or Protestant, to compel, prohibit, or prosecute the free exercise of any other religion. And that goes for any persecution, at any time, by anyone, in any country. And I hope that you and I condemn with equal fervor those nations which deny their Presidency to Protestants, and those which deny it to Catholics. And rather than cite the misdeeds of those who differ, I would also cite the record of the Catholic Church in such nations as France and Ireland, and the independence of such statesmen as De Gaulle and Adenauer.

But let me stress again that these are my views.

For contrary to common newspaper usage, I am not the Catholic candidate for President.

I am the Democratic Party's candidate for President who happens also to be a Catholic.

I do not speak for my church on public matters; and the church does not speak for me. Whatever issue may come before me as President, if I should be elected, on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject, I will make my decision in accordance with these views -- in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be in the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressure or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.

But if the time should ever come -- and I do not concede any conflict to be remotely possible -- when my office would require me to either violate my conscience or violate the national interest, then I would resign the office; and I hope any conscientious public servant would do likewise.

But I do not intend to apologize for these views to my critics of either Catholic or Protestant faith; nor do I intend to disavow either my views or my church in order to win this election.

If I should lose on the real issues, I shall return to my seat in the Senate, satisfied that I'd tried my best and was fairly judged.

But if this election is decided on the basis that 40 million Americans lost their chance of being President on the day they were baptized, then it is the whole nation that will be the loser, in the eyes of Catholics and non-Catholics around the world, in the eyes of history, and in the eyes of our own people.

But if, on the other hand, I should win this election, then I shall devote every effort of mind and spirit to fulfilling the oath of the Presidency -- practically identical, I might add, with the oath I have taken for 14 years in the Congress. For without reservation, I can, "solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution -- so help me God.
krellin (80 DX)
27 Feb 12 UTC
The only thing that makes me puke is SantaClausowitz. And if his words are true, and his time with us is short, then praise be to God. Biggoted asshole...can't stand that America is a free land where people are *allowed* to have a religious belief and *gasp* express it *DOUBLE GASP* in a setting of fellow believers. You may not agree with his words, but admit is, Assmunch, you are more offended by his belief in God than anything else. You were pissed off the second you read the word, "Reverend..." and he could have followed it up with "Santaclausowitz is the greatest thing ever" and you STILL would have been pissed because he tacitly acknowledged God and his belief in God in calling another man Reverend. THAT is his crime in your mind, you biggoted fuckwad.

If you truly are leaving soon....then make haste.
dave bishop (4694 D)
27 Feb 12 UTC
@SC
What annoys you about this speech? It seems wholly reasonable.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
28 Feb 12 UTC
agree with Krellin... SC what could you POSSIBLY find to be offended about in the respectful and inclusive JFK speech?

Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
28 Feb 12 UTC
SC is referring to Santorum saying that this speech by JFK makes him want to throw up.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
28 Feb 12 UTC
oh. You could have stated that a bit more clearly, SC.

Yeah Santorum is a giant wad of... well.. santorum.
rekh127 (100 D)
28 Feb 12 UTC
You guys are stupid. Santorum is the jackass who this speech makes puke.
Octavious (2701 D)
28 Feb 12 UTC
I don't know... The bit where the speech is critical of America's slums and people being forced to leave their homes, and then goes on to say that not enough has been done to send people into space, doesn't sit too well in my stomach. You can't be in favour of doing significantly more to help the desperate, and at the same time insist on spending billions launching a small metallic rock at a giant stone rock, without loosing a lot of credibility it my book.

You could also argue that he was cynically playing the Catholic card, but I'd need to know more of the context to be certain one way or the other.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
28 Feb 12 UTC
ugh, I just listened to santorum's video. He is twisting JFKs words and obviously doesn't understand what separation of church and faith means.

He's confusing secularism with pluralism and he is a complete moron.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
28 Feb 12 UTC
Octavious that was just a tiny part, and not at what SC or santorum is taking issue with.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
28 Feb 12 UTC
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/santorum-jfks-secularism-makes-me-throw

Santorum's opinion.
Octavious (2701 D)
28 Feb 12 UTC
Well... that's... erm... definitely an opinion.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
28 Feb 12 UTC
the thought of santorum makes me puke.

it's instinctual, really. humans are programmed to be disgusted by fecal matter.
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
28 Feb 12 UTC
The social wedge issues are the only thing he can possibly address. Economy? Afghanistan? Forget it. The man is more concerned about where men stick their dicks than where America is wagging its testicles on the international scene.
I was discussing Santorum's words as has been pointed out earlier.

Don't know what Krellin is going on about as usual. To get everyone on the same page, I wholeheartedly support Kennedy's words here. Personal religion is a matter that, in my opinion, should have little to do with who we pick for president. I am all for a country where a person can and does express his religion in private and, in certain circumstances, (If they deem necessary rather than because they are forced to) in the public sphere. But like Kennedy I am not for a country (being created by both parties) that demands a national leader discuss their religious views in the course of a campaign. I am not for a country where religious views determine policy. These are all points Kennedy addressed and ones that I can't understand a potential presidential candidate vehemently opposing in 2012
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Feb 12 UTC
Santorum is even against college. He's a corrupt theocrat who would send America to the Dark Ages.
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Feb 12 UTC
BTW, he can stop with the "I'm a coal-miner's son" crap. He cares nothing whatsoever for working class people, let alone coal miners. He made a living selling his influence for votes to interest groups like the big coal companies. He has explicitly said he loves income inequality and he plays the 'class warfare' card in every 3rd breath when he isn't bashing Mitt Romney's wealth.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
28 Feb 12 UTC
I hope to god he wins the primary. It not only guarantees Obama gets re-elected, it probably gets Biden elected in 2016
cwarrickh (0 DX)
28 Feb 12 UTC
@Yellowjacket - What is the separation of church and faith? I've never heard of that one...

And @SataClausowitz - I totally understand why Krellin went off on you, because the title of your post and the question you pose are so poorly written, it makes it very difficult to understand what you are asking and what your position is. Additionally, the fact that you posted the entirety of Kennedy's very famous speech instead of the more obscure comments made by Santorum made me think that you were agreeing with Santorum's idiotic remarks. This was a good find and I'm glad you let us know about it, but I had to read it a dozen times to get what you were asking...
I apologize, I originally had it more clearly posted,but I forgot about the rule with the initial post only being paragraph length. I re-posted it so it would fit and might have screwed it up, mostly because I didn't refer to Kennedy at all. i also guess I thought Santorum's quote was more well known. Apologies for any misunderstanding. One thing I'm sure of is I never suggested that I disagreed with the speech and Krellin's response was a bit much if he was confused. But Krellin is an idiot, we all know this. Thankfully, however, he is with me on this one. Glad to know even the fools among us know Santorum's comments are out there.
Draugnar (0 DX)
28 Feb 12 UTC
While I have very little to take issue with Kennedy's speech, I must disagree that a *candidates* religious views are irrelavent. Said candidates religion *may* influence how he or she runs the highest office in the land. As such, knowing their views *may* influence my vote. That said, if the candidate had a speech similar to this one, that reaffirmed he would not let outside influences beyond what is good for the people of the country and the security thereof influence him, then I would only be looking towards what said candidate says is his stance on the issues and his record on the same.

But neither Romney nor Santorum have given any indication that they *wouldn't* let their religious views influence their decisions. In fact, Santorum pretty much admits his religious views will influence his decisions by his comments on this speech. Therefore, *his* religion is of the *utmost* concern to me. And do you thinkf ro one second if the head of the Mormon Church said "do this or that", Romney wouldn't push it through?

So while there should be separation of church and state, a candidates religious views *may* be an issue during the candidacy. It's not that I want it that way, but reality *forces* it to be that way.
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
28 Feb 12 UTC
"And do you thinkf ro one second if the head of the Mormon Church said "do this or that", Romney wouldn't push it through?"

People said the same thing about the Pope when Kennedy was elected, which isn't to say that Romney won't act according to his Mormon faith, but let's be realistic. The chances of getting a verse about Joseph Smith added to "America, The Beautiful" are just as slim as some ridiculous tenet of Mormon faith being drawn upon to guide Pres. Romney.
krellin (80 DX)
28 Feb 12 UTC
@ Santa -- who sent me some *vile* personal message --- let me reitterate -- what makes Santa puke is the idea that someone has an idea....particularly a religious idea...that opposes his personal thoughts, especially as regards to religion. The *hillarious* idea here is that moronic Santaclausowitz is trying to suggest that Santorum referencing Kennedy is somehow a violation of principle, when ***IN FACT*** John F Kennedy was, by MODERN STANDARDS, A CONSERVATIVE. He was a hawk, and a fiscal conservative. Just because his idiotic rapist immoral relative (Teddy) was an arch-Liberal does not man that JFK was.

Once again, Liberals rewrite history to suit their own means.

Santa....get a fucking life. Better yet....do as you suggest you intend to do...and go the fuck away.
Draugnar (0 DX)
28 Feb 12 UTC
@2WL - I was thinking more along the "right to life" line as well as "gay marriage". Let's face it, this country is split on both those issues and it's a religious split in both cases.
Santorum didn't reference Kennedy, Santorum said that a speech on tolerance your "modern day conservative" gave makes him want to puke.

And I sent a vile personal message? Look at mr. sensitive who used words such as

Biggoted asshole
Assmunch
biggoted fuckwad

Going to miss you Krellin.
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
28 Feb 12 UTC
Draug, for the most part, you're right about the split being religious, but I'd also point out that virtually all Representatives and Senators are religious (or at least act religious enough to court the religious vote), yet the split is still red vs. blue with Christians on both sides of the aisle. I know what you mean, though. The only way Romney wouldn't take issue with gay marriage was if the man had eight gay spouses.
Draugnar (0 DX)
28 Feb 12 UTC
LOL! You do know that the Mormon Church gave up polygamy a long time ago and only a couple select "sects" (more like cults) still practice it, right?
you know I did well in ths threat because Krellin went apeshit on my Personal message and then muted me. Glad I reached that milestone before I left.
*this thread
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
28 Feb 12 UTC
Yeah, I'm aware, but for argument's sake it helps to pretend that all Mormons are as crazy as Tom Green. "And now, let's introduce the first ladies."

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bolshoi (0 DX)
01 Mar 12 UTC
forum bug?
each page in a thread displays 30 comments, right? but i think if there are 31 comments in a thread, i'm only getting one page showing up, and that last comment is, i guess, on a second page that i can't get to. it's only once there get to be 32 comments that i'm allowed to see page 2 where the 31'st comment was.

is this a known issue? have other people experienced this?
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2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
29 Feb 12 UTC
EVERYONE who posts wins!
We all win!
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kreilly89 (100 D)
02 Mar 12 UTC
400 bid, 2 day phase, WTA, anon match
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=82091
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
01 Mar 12 UTC
Russia's builds
I have an interesting question on Russia's builds. I'm currently in a game as Russia, but it's a general question that I ask to the community:
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Jesper0228 (1525 D)
01 Mar 12 UTC
Moderator: Unpause two games please!!
Can some moderator please unpause "the blame game-3" and "12 hour fun-2" ? We are waiting for days now and nothing happens! Thanks in advance
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Philalethes (100 D(B))
01 Mar 12 UTC
The Grandest Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=81972
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