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Baskineli (100 D(B))
05 May 11 UTC
WTA anonymous, 300 D's, 48 hours
Who's in?
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taos (281 D)
05 May 11 UTC
what is the time on the site?
Times are UTC+02:00
what does it mean?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
04 May 11 UTC
Just add weapons and Skynet is born...
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/innovation/05/04/boeing.phantomray.unmanned.stealth/index.html
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Canon Fodder (242 D)
02 May 11 UTC
Bug
Anyone else having the script timeout issues when selecting moves, specifically around convoys and choosing whether an army is moving via land or convoy. If I stop script and try and save I get: "Parameter 'fromTerrID' set to invalid value '139'." gameID=54116
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Puddle (413 D)
30 Apr 11 UTC
Any Ubuntu Users?
Hey guys, I just installed Ubuntu alongside my windows 7, so I'm dual booting. Any suggestions on good applications for Ubuntu?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 May 11 UTC
This Time On Philosophy Weekly: A Socialist, Fascist, and Elitist Walk Into A Bar...
A bit of an offshoot from an earlier discussion a few days ago, wherein Socialism was examined ...well, needless to say I don't care for it, but I know Putin33 is, perhaps, our leading Socialist "voice" on the forum, and Fasces our leading proponent of Fascism, and I champion for a Republican Meritiocracy...any and all others are welcome--a break from the Royal Wedding and Bin Laden talk...Round Table Chat, anyone? ;)
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SpikeNeedle (132 D)
04 May 11 UTC
Resigning?
How do I resign/quit from a diplomacy game?
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SpikeNeedle (132 D)
04 May 11 UTC
Uh, what?
Enemy territory attacks unoccupied territory, I attack both enemy territory and unoccupied territory with one unit each.

He both defends my attack and blocks my attack on the unoccupied?
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chtalleyrand (345 D)
04 May 11 UTC
Turkey in CD for takeover
Turkey with 3 SC's in Autumn 1902 just went CD. If someone would like to take over that would be great.
gameID=57389
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Leif_Syverson (271 D)
02 May 11 UTC
The Penultimate Diplomacy Player from History
Nominate your own or discuss the current list.

I'll start by nominating Napolean Bonaparte. Skilled diplomate, ruthless military strategist. Escaped from more than one tight spot and was well liked by people who should have known better and were screwed because of it.
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idealist (680 D)
03 May 11 UTC
dark press game - anyone?
stukus had this idea a while ago. i been thinking about it for a bit. would it work if players are allowed to write to just 1 country per turn? please feel free to discuss
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ksindelar (123 D)
04 May 11 UTC
Slow Server
Is there anything I can do if webdiplomacy is not displaying up to date information? It tells me I need to move but when I get to the game we are still waiting for someone else, tells me I have a new message but when I get there, there is no new message, showing old games in the top bar...stuff like that. Thanks
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mrlentz (0 DX)
03 May 11 UTC
Live Tuesday Night Cancel Request
gameID=57868. I assume what happened to one other country also happened to me. Server wouldnt let me on with 500 errors. I would appreciate a cancel.
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binkman (416 D)
03 May 11 UTC
Tell me how awesome I am
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=57858&viewArchive=Maps
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sophiedad (0 DX)
03 May 11 UTC
How do I delete this account?
What the title says
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
03 May 11 UTC
Harper Majority
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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☺ (1304 D)
02 May 11 UTC
Transhumanism and the Death of Osama Bin Laden
As a transhumanist, I find even Osama's death tragic. The most beautiful thing in the world - the complexity and brilliance of a human mind, was ended today. And it may have been necessary. It may have been just. But that doesn't make it any less tragic. A human being, misguided as he may have been, but a human being nonetheless, with feelings, thoughts, and desires was murdered today.
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☺ (1304 D)
02 May 11 UTC
And why was he murdered? He was murdered because the United States didn't want to go through the political and tactical effort to capture him alive. With the most powerful and technologically advanced military in the world, you can not convince me that it could not have been done. We (And I'm disgusted, at this point, to use that pronoun) didn't want to have to put him on trial. It would have been a far less popular choice, and far more difficult. But it would have been right. I hoped we were better than this.

I hoped that when it came down to it, we would use this opportunity to prove that we mean what we say when we say that we care about the rule of law. Do we? Do we truly mean that? Do we mean that justice should be arbitrated by the court system, and not determined by the person with the biggest stick? I find that hard to believe.

I hoped that when it came down to it, we would use this opportunity to prove that we are different, and we do care about the dignity of human life. Obviously we don't. There may be a difference in scope and motive between us and the ilk of Osama, but ultimately, we are both willing to murder for our cause. We say we care about justice, but really, that's just a code word for revenge.

And so today, I am disgusted to be an American. I'm disgusted to be associated with some of the people on Facebook, suggesting that we use Osama's corpse as a "speed bump at the Jewish Community Center". I'm disgusted to be associated with a collective of people that, after an event like this, will gather around the White House and chant "USA". I'm disgusted to be associated with a culture that is currently celebrating a death.

But I'm comforted that one day we will live in a society where we have conquered death. I know that one day, we will discover the technology to extend life longer and longer, either by computers, or genetics, or medicine, until death is no more. I don't know if I'll make it to the singularity. I may be annihilated from this Earth today, tomorrow, ten years from now, never to return, and to be lost to the annals of history. But one day, we will have the power to stop death. One day, we will live in a society where every death is seen as the unnecessary tragedy that it is. One day is not today. But I hope it comes soon.
so you want Osama to be captured, which with out a shadow of a doubt would have led to several more deaths as every Islamist from here to Jakarta blew shit up to demand his release?

This isnt a tragedy, but on the other hand i don;t think Americans should see it as a national holiday either
☺ (1304 D)
02 May 11 UTC
I would not murder someone because someone else would murder ten people if I do not, Santa, no. I will not be blackmailed into an immoral action by someone. I oppose death in all its forms, and I will fight against Osama's death just as I would against the deaths that his followers would cause.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 May 11 UTC
...

Let's put our Utilitarian goggles on for a moment, smiley, if we're going to be so Utopian anyway...

If a man's major achievement is murdering thousands of civilians without war even being declared, I'm sorry, that's NOT a life worth celebrating or mourning.

What's more, I thoroughly disagree...every human life is NOT worth celebrating...

If every life is sacred and special--no life is.
☺ (1304 D)
02 May 11 UTC
I've always hated utilitarianism. But I think this is just a fundamental difference in philosophy.

And I didn't say that we should celebrate his life. I said we shouldn't murder him.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 May 11 UTC
So, if we did capture him, you would not want him put to death?
If you, as a commander, had to chose between killing him, or risking n soldiers to capture him, which would you chose?
If someone murdered your loved ones, you would not want them to be put to death?
Is a severely brain-damaged person less deserving of life than osama because he has a higher functioning brain?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 May 11 UTC
But, I do agree with you about the excessive celebration (which seems tasteless) and the comments on defiling his body (which are simply disgusting).
☺ (1304 D)
02 May 11 UTC
"So, if we did capture him, you would not want him put to death?"

No. I would not. He can live out his life in solitary confinement.

"If you, as a commander, had to chose between killing him, or risking n soldiers to capture him, which would you chose? "

I touched on this, but I don't think this is an appropriate dichotomy. I find it hard to believe that if we knew his location, it would be difficult to capture him. Surround his compound and lay siege. Use tear gas, flashbangs, and other methods of incapacitation

"If someone murdered your loved ones, you would not want them to be put to death?"

What I want and what should happen are not necessarily the same. But I would hope that I would be rational enough to see past my emotions for revenge.

"Is a severely brain-damaged person less deserving of life than osama because he has a higher functioning brain?"

I would argue that Osama probably has significant brain damage. But that point aside, through technology, we can fix the damage to either of their brains.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 May 11 UTC
+1 abgemacht
Geofram (130 D(B))
02 May 11 UTC
But you do not see your action of holding the one man as the cause for the actions of others that actually cause bloodshed? If you're fighting (your word) in this conflict, physically, politically, or transhumanwhateveristically, then you're contributing to the bloodshed.

I do not believe that passive nonaggression works. We will always be killing each other. Someone will always have to have the last word, the last action, the last fear, the last defence. It's cyclic.

Sure we'll keep prolonging life, unnaturally straining this earth until it cannot hold the populations rich enough to live forever and those poor enough to be discarded. But men will always kill men.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 May 11 UTC
As for the celebrations...

Really, I think we can forgive New York City for being a little happy the man responsible for destroying a massive part of their skyline and killing 3,000 of their people was shot and killed by American forces...
Putin33 (111 D)
02 May 11 UTC
A little happy is not the same as celebrating obi. Stop making dishonest arguments.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 May 11 UTC
1) How does this make any sense? Spending money to keep him a live for another decade, employing security to keep him from being assassinated, it's completely impractical.

2) This was certainly possible, but the chances of him escaping or others dying would certainly increase. And, we both know that he would be executed when he got here, so what difference does it actually make.

3) Agreed, but there is nothing irrational about eliminating threats to yourself and those you care about. Prison is not a perfect solution.

4) You purposefully avoided my question by referring to some unknown technology to make the question moot.
☺ (1304 D)
02 May 11 UTC
"1) How does this make any sense? Spending money to keep him a live for another decade, employing security to keep him from being assassinated, it's completely impractical."

This is an entirely trivial amount of money to the US Government. And I never said that he shouldn't be killed (He should absolutely be given a trial). In fact, in my OP, I said it was "necessary". But I'm not going to celebrate it.

"4) You purposefully avoided my question by referring to some unknown technology to make the question moot. "

Transhumanism isn't so much about now, as much as it is about the singularity. Once we reach the singularity, this would presumably be a trivial matter. But if you want a direct answer to your question, if someone's brain were more damaged than Osama's, then yes, I would find them less valuable. But I think that's both a very high bar, and difficult for neuroscience to currently quantify.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 May 11 UTC
In fact, I find your entire argument disingenuous. We are at war. Why did you expect the US to chose this particular person to be graced with a transhumanism approach? Why not every suicide bomber or soldier? Your outrage over this one person (who by your own argument should not be more important than anyone else) seems to me to be nothing more than an exercise as the Devil's Advocate.

Humans are judged by more than just being human. Being a member of the most sentient species does not give you cause to do as you please consequence free.
☺ (1304 D)
02 May 11 UTC
And yes, I realize I've somewhat contradicted myself, in regards to executing him. It's, at minimum, a difficult question. I think there are arguments on both sides. It might be necessary, but I think if you can keep him alive, you should. Hopefully that clears it up.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 May 11 UTC
"But if you want a direct answer to your question, if someone's brain were more damaged than Osama's, then yes, I would find them less valuable. But I think that's both a very high bar, and difficult for neuroscience to currently quantify."

Fascinating...
☺ (1304 D)
02 May 11 UTC
"Your outrage over this one person (who by your own argument should not be more important than anyone else) seems to me to be nothing more than an exercise as the Devil's Advocate."

I'm outraged by every death. But this one is poignant because no one else seems to be outraged.

"Being a member of the most sentient species does not give you cause to do as you please consequence free."

I have not, am not, and will never say that.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 May 11 UTC
"A little happy is not the same as celebrating obi."

I'm sorry I didn't quantify just how much happiness was allowed for civilized people...

Tell me, Putin, how much is happiness is allowable?

Is cheering too much?
Is a toast reprehensible?
Is hugging family members--those ARE there, perhaps some are missing--too much?

Please, give us some guidelines to Wholesome Happiness...
☺ (1304 D)
02 May 11 UTC
"Fascinating... "

Let me be less ambiguous, because I'm not sure you understood me: I would find it extraordinarily difficult to be "more" brain damaged than a murderer 3000 times over.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 May 11 UTC
(And as a supporter of communism/socialism, I'd think you'd be happy at such communal cooperation and unity...) ;)
Obi-

How much makes you angry when you see Iraqi's celebrating American deaths. That's too much
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 May 11 UTC
No one is outraged when a suicide bomber is shot...

Perhaps you were unclear in your OP. You seem to be blaming America for not using futuristic, not-yet-defined morals as their basis for acting in the modern world. How does this make sense?

Would it be nice if we did ever kill any one? Of course. But, to expect such a thing in the time we live is ludicrous.

☺ (1304 D)
02 May 11 UTC
"Perhaps you were unclear in your OP. You seem to be blaming America for not using futuristic, not-yet-defined morals as their basis for acting in the modern world. How does this make sense?"

I am angry at America for two things: 1. Celebrating his death, and 2. Assassinating him and not giving him a trial.
Putin33 (111 D)
02 May 11 UTC
"Please, give us some guidelines to Wholesome Happiness..."

Really, you who in other threads used the word "crudeness" can't conceive of a line of decency that can be crossed?
Putin33 (111 D)
02 May 11 UTC
" I'd think you'd be happy at such communal cooperation and unity...) ;)"

Right, I forgot it was a matter of socialist principle to defend lynch mobs.

We had the Godwin law and now we have redbaiting. The thread is complete.
im upset about 1 and not 2, sonofabitch declared war, go ahead and kill him and make things alot easier. whether drunk college kids should be celebrating like they were at a frat party is another thing.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 May 11 UTC
1) I agree. I think it's understandable to feel relief at having eliminated one serious threat to us. However, celebration is uncalled for (both because this changes little and because it is very tactless.)
2) I disagree. He would have been executed. The trial would have been a mockery and he would be lucky if he wasn't assassinated before it finished. It was not worth even risking a soldier to try to capture him, especially if it meant he may escape. Do you expect every suicide bomber to be apprehended and tried? Because this is no different.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 May 11 UTC
"How much makes you angry when you see Iraqi's celebrating American deaths. That's too much"

I agree, that makes me angry...and I assume my being happy at Osama's death might make someone else unhappy...I never claimed EVERYONE must celebrate Osama's death, certainly there will be those who shout "Death to America!" the same way we're now chanting "USA! USA!"

Just don't expect me to sympathize with them.

"I am angry at America for two things: 1. Celebrating his death, and 2. Assassinating him and not giving him a trial."

1. Well, this has been covered, so moving on to...
2. "Fair trial?" While that's the legal thing to do...really? Come, now, that's a case not even Johnny Cochrane would take...and "assasinating him?" Somehow I'm not moved by the assasination of an assasin...sort of the same way I'm not too apt to shed tears if a murderer is shot in a shootout with the police.
Putin33 (111 D)
02 May 11 UTC
The sad part is this will be used to justify the assassination attempt vs Gaddafi.

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binkman (416 D)
03 May 11 UTC
Looking for 2 more in 5 min/round game
Come join us at http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=57855
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semck83 (229 D(B))
03 May 11 UTC
Come join September Twlight!
Active and able players sought for a 12-hour, PPSC classic game, 40 point buyin.
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Geofram (130 D(B))
13 Apr 11 UTC
**OFFICIAL - Summer Gunboat Signups**
Welcome all. This will become your official roster and rules for the 2011 Summer Gunboat Tournament.

Please keep the thread neat and concise, using threadID=707570 for all discussion of the tournament itself.
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binkman (416 D)
03 May 11 UTC
Country assignment
How does the server assign players to countries? Is it random or are they assigned in the order in which one joins the board?
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
03 May 11 UTC
Please join us in "Push the damn ready button" :)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=57799
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Puddle (413 D)
03 May 11 UTC
Just entered the double digits for my wins!
Yay! Haha. Also an extremely satisfying game for it to happen in.
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Invictus (240 D)
03 May 11 UTC
Tango Is Down
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=57823
55 D, 24 hour phases, points per center, 10 days to join

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtAbVZIAz1g
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Riphen (198 D)
02 May 11 UTC
The Enemy of My Enemy is My Enemy
gameID=57692

I was Germany and I have to say one thing WTF England!! Other than that if you want to discuss what happened in the game or make a short comment about the game feel free to do it in this thread.
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jasoncollins (186 D)
03 May 11 UTC
Need new player for Italy 4 SC's (early game)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=57216

Decent position.
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
01 May 11 UTC
The Personality of a good Diplomacy Player
What personality type do most good Diplomacy players have? I know practice makes perfect, but are some people just naturally talented at Diplomacy?
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drphil (169 D)
01 May 11 UTC
Glycerine games?
What's going on with these games? Nobody joins them and it just makes me scroll through tons of crap to get to an actual game. Is it possible to prevent this from happening?
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Leif_Syverson (271 D)
28 Apr 11 UTC
Republican Presidential Contenders. Questions to conservatives, and liberals..
See post to follow..
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ginger (183 D)
01 May 11 UTC
(sort of) quick question
Just wondering about something. If you try to cut support, but the unit whose support you are trying to cut is support held by another unit (only one though) will support still be cut? For example, if Burgundy support holds Belgium, and Belgium support moves Ruhr into Holland, and I try to move from North Sea into Belgium, will Belgium's support move be stopped or not?
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