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theVerve (100 D)
09 Jan 11 UTC
Link to Historical Map site
Found this by accident, thought people might be interested.
It's offering accurate maps of Roman, tribal and national europe by century:

http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/
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sbaraldi (100 D)
29 Dec 10 UTC
No in-game messaging & Cheating
I'm new to webDiplomacy, so I may be mistaken, but I saw something in the game I'm playing - my 1st on this site - that struck me as odd. The game is set to No in-game messaging, but one country supported the move of another's army to capture a province. How can this happen without outside communication, which the rules states you're not supposed to do? Any clarification would help. Thank you.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Jan 11 UTC
What are you thinking about right now?
Post it here...

I hope it isn't the Game.
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SacredDigits (102 D)
08 Jan 11 UTC
Your strongest/weakest country
Because I'm curious, and it was starting to pollute the live games topic.

For me: strongest, France. Weakest, Italy.
In order: France, England, Austria, Germany, Turkey, Russia (I know!), Italy.
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caesariandiplomat (100 D)
09 Jan 11 UTC
Political Blog
Hello All! I was browsing the web the other day and found a great blog. It seems to have a slightly progressive/liberal bent. Follow the link below...
http://southpawreport.wordpress.com/
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curtis (8870 D)
09 Jan 11 UTC
live gunboat at night
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Troodonte (3379 D)
08 Jan 11 UTC
Amazon Kindle 3
I'm getting one.
Anyone uses it?
Opinions about it?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 Jan 11 UTC
GFDT Round 2 Is Starting!
I am emailing captains now.
Please be on the look-out for PMs with game information.
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curtis (8870 D)
08 Jan 11 UTC
need 4 more for gunboat
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
08 Jan 11 UTC
Other Board Game sites
In my day, I have seen about 50 different sites for diplomacy or Risk. I was wondering if there were any other board game sites set up similar to this one.
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Vash (864 D)
08 Jan 11 UTC
Been ah While.
Hey - I havent been up here in soooo long but I wanna make a game but i want it to be quick though. Anyone want to join?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
08 Jan 11 UTC
Sugar Land Skeeters
My home town is starting a minor league baseball team.

Lol.
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RichardRahl (116 D)
08 Jan 11 UTC
Join this game!
A game of Classic Diplomacy: original map, ppsc, names shown, full chat, 10 D to join, 24 hour turns.
its even called Classic Diplomacy-6
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curtis (8870 D)
08 Jan 11 UTC
Need three for gunboat
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
"Huck Finn" Gets a Re-Write...AND THAT AIN'T RIGHT!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_newsroom/20110104/en_yblog_newsroom/huck-finn-gets-some-changes

So...not ONLY is this editing one of THE great novels of all-time, arguably THE definitive "Great American Novel," but I guess racism just never occured...the N-word and Native American slurs never happened, eh?
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warsprite (152 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Attempt to be PC carried to the extreme?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
That is ATROCIOUS.

Not even from just a literary standpoint, which itself is very valid as...well, "Huck Finn" IS a book, and the product of an author's intentions and as such his statements, and so to posthumously change something in it just because it makes someone feel a little more at ease and happy smacks of the same sort of editorial bastardization that landed Nietzsche and other such writers in some hot water for a time.

No, beyond that...really? Take out the N-word in a book that uses it to showcase its UGLINESS??? What does that say about America today?

I guess Jack Nicholson was right--America, apparently we CAN'T handle the truth!

We CAN'T accept the fact that America was ever anything less than the UTOPIA it is today, the perfect, wonderfully-PC land it is today, completely democratic and free and beautiful with no issues in race relations or class struggles or anything of the sort!

Nope, America was and is a great land, always was...

"Slave?"

Oh, yes, we had slaves...but we didn't EVER demean them or treat them less than human by using a racial slur!

Taking Native American land?

MANIFEST DESTINY! And, anyway, at least while we took over the land we were SURE to be totally politically correct to the people we sent on a Trail of Tears, too!

There are times when I honestly LOATHE American society...

And however childish this rant may seem--and probably is, to at least some extent--I can't rest assured that there are still people more childish than me...

Because such a fact, that enough people ARE so childish and foolishly blind...

That does anything BUT assure me.

If ever there were a case for Huckleberry Finn's rejecting that "sivilized life," as he ends the book by leaving it in disdain and saying "I've been there before"...

Sivilized indeed, Huck...we're surely sivilized, ain't we, folks?
ava2790 (232 D(S))
05 Jan 11 UTC
Hey, it's only one version that's being edited. Just follow the don't feed the trolls strategy like we do on here and keep buying the original.
warsprite (152 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
I bet the new version goes to the schools. An entire gen will not know the original is even there. Some day they will edit wars out of history.
SacredDigits (102 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
I agree with your sentiments 100%. But there's a bit of a factual point I like to trot out.

See, the thing about the Trail of Tears is that the American Supreme Court ruled that resettlement unconstitutional while it was being proposed...so Andrew Jackson, the man we memorialize on the twenty dollar bill, ordered it sped up so that it could be completed before the people executing it could be considered to have received the message of the Supreme Court's ruling. So I have a hard time blaming the USA as a whole for that...it was a fringe group who were acting more or less on their own.
Bezborodov (775 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
For those wondering, the "n-word" is "nigger" for those afraid to say it. Grow some balls, America.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
@ava:

For those of us who have ALREADY read the book, that's all well and good, and what we all should--and likely will--do.

What I worry about is what warspite pointed out--they don't make PC-versions of these things for ADULTS...

No, this WILL go to schools, and an entire generation of American children will grow up not only not knowing what really was written, they won't know what really happened...and they'll also lose the power that comes with the "n-word."

We just read (for msot of us, re-read) the book for my college American Lit: 1865-Present course, and I can tell you...

For ALL OF US it was HUGELY uncomfortable, that word, having to adress it out loud...

And we're grown adults, varying ages, but all adults.

And even though this was the second time for most of us (or even a third or fourth time) it's STILL unconfrotable...

And THAT'S what makes it not only a classic, but a MASTERPIECE, and an achievement for GOOD American thought--the fact that we are made to FACE that word and ACKNOWLEDGE its unsettling power...it adds something to the book, but more importantly, it ads something to the SELF. Coincidentally, we didn't have a single African-American student in that English class--we had a lot of whites and Latinos, but no African-Americans...

And so reading that word KNOWING there were no African-Americans in the room present actually was even MORE unsettling, even the professor commented on that.

Because all the while we read that, seeing no one like that in our class, no one of that race, the thought sort of creeps in...how BADLY these people were treated...how far back they, and we as a nation, might have set ourselves back.

And I live in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, an hour or so from LA; LA and NYC are probably the most diverse places in the entire nation, so there's the thought that if even HERE, where we have practically someone from EVERY race and religion in a class at one time or another, there's no African-Americans there...

It DOES say something, taken with the book, or at least did for us.



If you DON'T feel uncomfortable reading a book like "Huck Finn," then you've misread the book and shortchanged yourself.

And that's EXACTLY what I fear will now happen.

@SacredDigits:

Fair enough, but it really wasn't a fringe...after all, Jackson disobeyed the court, but he still needed a populace to go along with his breaking the law--and most of America was all too happy to go along with him there.

@Bezborodoz:

Well said, +1.
jman777 (407 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Holy shit. I can't believe they are actually doing this. I'm seriously considering going out tomorrow and buying a real copy. haha Does this feel at all like a HUGELY Orwellian move? Its disgusting. Absolutely disgusting, to pervert an American masterpiece like that.
SacredDigits (102 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Eh, Jackson only really needed the army to go along with it, not the entirety of the US. I think that it removed natives from...four states? Five? Even if you factor that in as compliance, I still don't believe that a majority of people were for it. Although I'd be happy to see evidence of it.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
I just noticed:

The publishing company's name?

NewSouth Books.

...

I honestly can't remember the last time I was THIS digusted with my country...
Rommeltastic (1111 D(B))
05 Jan 11 UTC
I'll be honest... this disgusts me, as Obiwan is pointing out... They're not only manipulating a classic book, but DESTROYING the history of the time. Like it or not, children will believe what they read in books - and the U.S. can't ignore this part of their background...
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
@jman:

TOTALLY Orwellian...and sadly enough, I somehow get the feeling kids in the future will hae plenty of TWILIGHT on their reading lists, but no Big Brother or Huck...

@SacredDigits:

Even so, non-action is sometimes as bad as acting...I don't think there were very many "Save the Native American Homelands!" demonstrations in protest by Americans.
warsprite (152 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
This is not the first swipe at Mark Twain. I recall in the 70's of some high schools banning Huck Finn for the very reason they are editing it now.
Rommeltastic (1111 D(B))
05 Jan 11 UTC
You're taking a strong stance, though. Is it not possible that this change is being made not to TEACH them what happened, but so they can feel like they're there without being as uncomfortable as it was for you? I'm from Canada, and we never read it in our classrooms, and that might well be why I don't think it's THIS bad. Naturally, the idea of replacing CORRECT books with SENSITIVE books it just disturbing... very disturbing...
SacredDigits (102 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
See, let me back up that sentence, obiwanobiwan.

"I don't think there were very many..."

Well, that's the point. You don't know. Take some time to research it, then get back to it. Jeremiah Evarts, Davy Crockett, and several other prominent Americans fought against the removal.
warsprite (152 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
obiwan You need to place your self in the early 19th century. I don't think most people even know what was happening, and those areas affected had few whites at that time.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
@Rommeltastic:

Maybe it is the fact you're not an American, maybe not, I don't know.

But DEFINITELY for America it means something extra, the same way that any culture surely will be reviled upon reading "Mein Kampf," but I'd imagine it'd be extra repuslive and painful for a German to see that book.

But the fact is, people MUST face those things, which is actually why, oddly enough, when I first learned how strict Germany was and is now about banning all Nazi-related material, I was actually somewhat disturbed; obviously I don't want happy memories of the Reich or another Hitler or anything, but very often when a nation bans something like that, it tries to forget it ever occured.

And that's the WORST thing a nation can do--because if you FORGET it occured, you also tend to forget why it occured, and how painful it was, and so it occurs again.

America today likes to pretend it's politically correct and racially healed, that after the Civil War and the beating of Irish immigrants and the turning back of Jewish refugees during WWII and the Civil Rights momement and Japanese Internment Camps and Cesar Chavez and anti-Muslim demonstrations, that after all of that we've finally gotten to the point where we've overcome racism totally, and "all men are created equal" rings true in the hearts of all Americans.

And then the "World Trade Center Mosque" comes along, an suddenly you ahve huge demonstrations and that pastor publicizing his "Burn the Koran Day."

Or LA finally erupting in violence after the Rodney King incidents.

Or what Arizona's doing now with immigration.

Or Prop 8.


Again, you CAN'T teach a history that IS charged with racism WITHOUT making people feel uncomfrotable and do ir right.

Again, if you feel fine reading "Huck Finn" or hearing about the past atrocities in America or Germany or any other nation and are able to feel totally detached, if kids are able to feel COMFORTABLE knowing that these events occured...

Really--what have they learned? What have WE learned, if we are comfortable with it?
warsprite (152 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
obiwan I think you can a better example national amnesia if look at Japan.
warsprite (152 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
"get a better"
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Alright, maybe I overdid the Trail of Tears thing...

I just meant it in relation to the book, really, the point being that we treated the Native Americans badly too, and that also is being sanitized in this new edition of one of the first and best books to point out how hypocryphal America was about that whole "all created equal" bit.

It IS one of my favorite books, I do think it's "The Great American Novel" and easily in the Top 10 ever written--"1984," "Les Miserables," "Don Quixote," "Crime and Punishment," and "Moby Dick" would be others I'd rank comparably, just off the top of my head, I'm not going to go too far off track and make a whole list--but even beyond that, it's been so enduring partly because of the controversy.

Take away those words and the discomfort and you still ahve a great book, but it's missing that extra something that makes it a timeless classic and one that rings true with a people.

There's a REASON that book is controversial and has been for over a century now.

To deny that aspect of the book is to deny the full experience of the book, the full power of it...from a literary standpoint it's somewhat comparable to that "No Fear Shakespeare" garbage, ie, making a complex text easier and more pallateable for a new audience that doesn't want to make the effort to learn the original in all its glory, and from a historical standpoint its acting like those terrible events weren't THAT terrible...

Honestly--hows is it MORE settling that we can "just" write "slaves" in there instead of the n-word and THAT'S OK?

We can handle slavery? That doesn't make anyone uncomfortable, not what was done to fellow human beings but simply what we called them?
SacredDigits (102 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Alright, this I'll agree with. It pisses me off that most places won't perform Merchant of Venice because of the over-the-top anti-Semitism at the end of it. It was over-the-top for a reason, Shakespeare was making a point that needed to be made. It's not his fault that most people misinterpreted that as being genuine rather than satyrical.
warsprite (152 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
I agree 100% on your points. The real concern I have is the slippery slope. What next?
largeham (149 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Oh dear.
jman777 (407 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Seriously. This is one of the most disgusting things I have seen done in my life. I am glad though that it is receiving as ferociously hostile a reception as it is though. Really the worst part is that it WILL go too the schools because heaven knows a school CANNOT be or have ANYTHING REMOTELY un-PC related to it. My god. So annoying. And really why stop there? Why say that America ever participated in slavery at all? The road just gets darker and more disgusting as you go farther down.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
@warsprite:

What next?

How about...

"The Merchant of Venice" with a Christian Shylock, so that whole, nasty religious/ethinc bigotry theme is downplayed?

"1984" with a happy ending where Julia and the narrator live happily ever after, thus ridding us of our wariness of the government and the growing systematizing of life and the reach of the beauracracy?

"To Kill a Mickingbird" with Aticus Finch's climactic courtroom speech edited to take out the fact that Mayala was raped at all or that she lied to the court to prevent being scorned by a society that would have condemned her for a crush on a black man?

We don't need such "smut" as "Catcher in the Rye," right?

And that Faulkner guy, with "Go Down, Moses" and "The Sound and the Fury," HE pulls the race card--a few races cards--quite often, and paints a picture of older Southern values as being relics and social crises--WE CAN'T HAVE THAT! PEOPLE MIGHT GET OFFENDED!

Tennessee Williams does the same thing in "Cat On a Hot Tin Roof" and "The Glass Menagerie" and has the AUDACITY to have Tong Wingfield rant in the latter about how man ins instinctive and NOT naturally perfect, "naturally, Christianly-composed," as his former Southern belle mother believes...HERESY!

Also...

Does Humpty Dumpty HAVE to fall off that wall? See, that always depressed me as a kid...can't all the king's horses and all the king's men just put Humpty together again? I was just SCARRED by the thought of a magical egg man being scrambled...jsut too damn violent for kids!
Invictus (240 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
If I remember right, the books calls Jim "Nigger Jim" quite a bit, to the point where you have to think Twain was trying to lay some meaning behind when he used the word with Jim's name and when he didn't. What will this new edition do? Slave Jim, like the article seems to imply? Doesn't that destroy the literary meaning?

This is shameful, but not surprising. Bowdlerized books is nothing new. A bigger problem is how a teacher can tell my class not to read the chapters on the Duke and King when we had this book in high school. How can you teach a book when you cut out a quarter of it? The further I get away from non-college schooling the less I can believe that I could have tolerated the idiocy kids have to put up with.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
My god, people are acting as if every Huck Finn book out there is going to have these words replaced. Has anyone bothered to read the rationale behind the English professor's decision to do this? He did it so more people would read the book, because he found educators and others dropping the book because of the 219 uses of the n-word. This is an option for those uncomfortable with the language, so more people can enjoy the stories. It's not as if it sanitizes race relations to call a guy "slave". It's one version of the book, calm down.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
"America today likes to pretend it's politically correct and racially healed"

And it tries to do this by pretending there's this "PC onslaught" out to stifle free speech, so we don't need to worry about language because we're a post-racial society, and heaven forbid we move beyond disgusting bigoted language because it inconveniences the bigots.

"the beating of Irish immigrants"

This myth won't go away.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
05 Jan 11 UTC
obi - Julia and the NARRATOR? You mean Winston Smith, right?

You're a moron.

To Kill A MICKingbird? You mean MOCKingbird, right?

You're a moron.

Aticus Finch? You mean Atticus Finch, right?

You're a moron.

Mayala? You mean Mayella Ewell, right?

You're a moron.

Catcher in The Rye? You mean THE Catcher In The Rye, right.

You're a moron.

TONG Wingfield? You mean Tom Wingfield, right?

You're a moron.

Stick to Star Dreck, loser.

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Seriously, does anybody actually BELIEVE that this pathetic poseur has ANY English Lit education at all?

figlesquidge (2131 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Wow, that was un called for :S

Maple, what's your opinion on the effect of political correctness on the literary cannon?

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Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Jan 11 UTC
Android is a cool OS...
This new Droid X has the coolest new way to type called swype. You just slide your finger across the keys and it figures out the word from its dictionary. It's really quite good. Got a double letter? Just rub your finger over it before continuing and it will register the double so it knows god and good are different words. I just swyped this entire message.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Jan 11 UTC
WebDiplomacy: The Movie!
Yes, it's official: Hollywood is so bankrupt for ideas and has sucked every sequel and franchise and reboot of previous franchises totally dry, so there WILL be a WebDiplomacy feature film!

What should the plot of this epic be, who should direct...and which actors, past and present (because Hollywood stars never die, they just show up on Netflix) should portray each of us? ;)
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Dan Wang (1194 D)
08 Jan 11 UTC
-12 Gunboat 20 points PPSC anonymous 24 hour phases
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DShaman (100 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Diplomacy board (map)
Who has a scanned or other form of Diplomacy board (map)?
I am willing to craft a big board game. Can you help me please?
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
07 Jan 11 UTC
Post Your LIVE Games (& Feedback) HERE !
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=46353
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gigantor (404 D)
06 Jan 11 UTC
Argentinian TV - what?
http://gawker.com/5721464/argentinas-dancing-with-the-stars-is-pretty-much-straight-up-porn
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Dan Wang (1194 D)
06 Jan 11 UTC
-11 Gunboat 20 points PPSC anonymous 24 hour phases
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hellalt (70 D)
07 Jan 11 UTC
First person to reply is a TROLL
the subject is self explanatory
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Draugnar (0 DX)
03 Jan 11 UTC
SECOND TO LAST PERSON TO POST WINS!
Here's a new challenge for ya'.
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JNewton (391 D)
06 Jan 11 UTC
What Are The Best Opening Moves for Turkey?
See title.
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LJ TYLER DURDEN (334 D)
06 Jan 11 UTC
The Worst Hangover Ever...
Exactly what it sounds like. Describe the worst morning you've had after a night of debauchery. There are enough college students on this site for this thread to run for a while.
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The Czech (39715 D(S))
07 Jan 11 UTC
Thursday night Live
PM me password please.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
03 Jan 11 UTC
Every person who posts is a winner.
And all who don't aren't.

Make certain you get your post in before it falls off. One post is all it takes!
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shadowplay (2162 D)
06 Jan 11 UTC
New classic game - No Keaters
Just wanting to play a classic game without any keaters. 10 point, PPSC, 24 hour phases. PM me for the password if you're interested. Game link is;

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=46268
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Protigo (145 D)
06 Jan 11 UTC
variant game
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=155

this is on the variant site. we need a few more to join so game can start. Map is fall of the american empire IX
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