However, in the end, California will pay for both the wildfire damage, and for the hurricanes. I suspect there will be zero federal relief to the wildfires, while billions get sent to Texas, as usual. We are a big rich nation and can mostly handle that, but one can't help but recognize that that's what happens when a nation of 40 million people is grossly underrepresented. I guess we are better off than our Puerto Rico at least.

"Well, you're a conservative, so you don't feel sympathy for any human being who isn't you"

Glad we don't allow attacks on others or groups.

But I am sure they taught you to make wild, reckless, uneducated guesses at your fancy Ivy League School and Law School and Climate Change School and Biology School or whatever school you claim to be an expert on today.


So Jeff, do these statements of criticism for lack of sympathy followed directly by decrees of lack of sympathy for an entire region of the country fall into your scope of hypocrisy, or will you give him a pass as usual cause you claim Dems don't do hypocrisy?

Well, merely judging from the fact that on any policy issue, you can look at what policy position would hurt the most people, and that's a very good predictor of the conservative position on the issue. I've been watching this scene for a long time, and I can't think of a single counter example at this time.

And that's not a statement against a group but against an ideology. Political philosophy isn't race or sexual orientation, for crying out loud. Judging you for your actions is entirely different than judging people for who they are. One is moral judgment and the other bigotry. Naturally, conservatives want to muddy the waters to distract from their bigotry by pretending to be victims. We have all seen that a ton. It's deflection 101

And you still don't get it. I understand Kansas has somewhat better literacy rates than Oklahoma, but judging from you, they still aren't good

So, again, using small words so you can follow:
Texas and Florida have intentionally acted to make climate change worse. So intelligent people don't have a lot of sympathy when they get hurt by a problem they helped cause. Californians have worked to avoid these problems and so aren't as at fault when climate change impacts hit California, because at least California has been working hard to prevent these problems

And of corse, California pays for both disasters because the US has minority rule.

Why do you say such hateful things ogion?

"And you still don't get it. I understand Kansas has somewhat better literacy rates than Oklahoma, but judging from you, they still aren't good"

Glad we don't allow attacks on people or groups.

"Well, you're a conservative, so you don't feel sympathy for any human being who isn't you"

Which is why I've stated numerous times that we need to increase spending and mental health facilities, right?

Cause that is at the top of conservative wish lists, right?

That is clearly showing a total lack of sympathy for any human being other than myself, right?

Whoops.

Well, sincere kudos to you for being willing to step outside of conservative orthodoxy on that one. That's progress

Conservative in some issues does not make someone conservative in all issues.

But that is just a thought for an uneducated midwest knuckle dragging white supremacist.

^from not for

And actually, a large portion of the damage isn't in woodlands, but the northern third of Santa Rosa has been destroyed, which is a city of 174,000 (so about a third the size of many states by itself). That's not wildlands. Also Glen ellen is pretty much gone.

I wonder how expensive this will be in the end compared to Irma etc.

I'm weirdly reminded of when I had a puppy and it was too energetic and annoying, so I'd take over to the neighbors who also had a dog. We would let them run around and be crazy in the backyard until they tired each other out.

The Wildfires suck.

That is beautiful country there. I had family that used to live in SF and worked in San Rafael

"So Jeff, do these statements of criticism for lack of sympathy followed directly by decrees of lack of sympathy for an entire region of the country fall into your scope of hypocrisy, or will you give him a pass as usual cause you claim Dems don't do hypocrisy?"

I'm gonna go with "no hypocrisy" but "yes double standard" on this one. But to be fair, if there are things you can do to minimize risk of weather events or other natural disasters, it is prudent to do so.

Fair enough.

Ogion,

Please refrain from making gross generalizations that all conservatives are X. It is unacceptable. You can choose to believe that all conservatives only care about themselves but this does not make it true. Please do not attack a whole group of people.

Others,

Just as a reminder, in general, please refrain from making vast overgeneralization about a whole group of people. If you want to critique a certain policy, that's fine, but don't attack groups of people. Thanks for understanding.

All conservatives are conservative

I don't really know why you can't generalize based on political ideology.

#notallconservatives

Attack the policies, not the people.

What about the people that support the policies?

Attack the arguments, no ad hominems.

Instead of "conservatives feel no sympathy for other humans", you can say, "Compassionate conservatism hurts people more than it helps" or some such.

How do you feel about #notallmen

In terms of who'll actually pay for the damage - chances are that it'll be the insurance industry (like it usually is).

Do we humble insurers qualify for sympathy?

Between the hurricanes, windstorms, earthquakes, floods and wildfires my bonus next year will be crap!

I suppose this is kind of like Trump's "many fine nazis" logic as if being a Nazi doesn't kind of disqualify you from being a "fine person." But hey, whatevs. I do think that what you support says something about your character, but I guess one could imagine otherwise.

It might be insurers pick up a lot of the tab, but then they earn massive profits in doing so. So, no, not a lot of sympathy there.

I find it strange that people hate insurance companies for making profit but don't hate supermarkets. Its a weird phenomena.

Apparently Tom Bombadil doesn't know anyone who had an insurance claim refused or delayed improperly.

Mortgage companies are even worse, or at least Wells Fargo.

I had a parent pass earlier this year and a water pipe break at their house at the same time.

Tens of thousands of dollars in damages.

Since there was a mortgage on the house the insurance check was made out to me as the Trustee of the Estate and Wells Fargo.

I was able to do most of the repair work myself but had to pay for the materials out of pocket.

I had the house fixed up, marketed, sold and Wells Fargo had their payout of the mortgage for a couple weeks before they turned over the insurance check so I could pay for the materials.

thank you zultar