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NumBumming (40 DX)
20 May 16 UTC
Hey, new world game. Need one more person.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=178849
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Bandoose_ (241 D)
20 May 16 UTC
Can you move an army from Sinai to Alexandria in Mediterranean?
Just wondering.
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Smokey Gem (154 D)
20 May 16 UTC
How to Build new Maps
Hi,

I have a few ideas for new maps , where/how do I go about building and testing them ??
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spyman (424 D(G))
16 May 16 UTC
What is cultural (mis)appropriation?
Some one told me today that it is racist for white people to wear dreadlocks and that it is an example of cultural appropriation? What is the difference between cultural appropriation (bad) and cultural exchange (good)?
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iTicklePickle (90 DX)
19 May 16 UTC
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Halal, is it meat you're looking for?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=178849 5 spots remaining.
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NumBumming (40 DX)
19 May 16 UTC
Elton John hater or fan? It's time to pick a side:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=178892
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iTicklePickle (90 DX)
19 May 16 UTC
W3LL D0N3! Y0U W0N 4 FR33 C0PY 0F TH3 B!BL3!!
Click to claim: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=178849 free Russian brides too. Batteries not included
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KimKardashian123 (100 DX)
19 May 16 UTC
Great Modern Diplomacy game
Join for lots of points http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=178892
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leon1122 (190 D)
19 May 16 UTC
Melanin Power
Melanin makes black people superior.

http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/cgi-bin/forum/archive1/config.pl?md=read;id=69155
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Yonni (136 D(S))
18 May 16 UTC
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Twilight Struggle
TS was just released on Steam and I've spent some time learning the game and it seems pretty great. Anyone here play?
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brainbomb (290 D)
17 May 16 UTC
Would you rather...
discuss
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NorseGod (0 DX)
17 May 16 UTC
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new game
Anyone interested in make new game live?
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iJizzJazz (80 DX)
17 May 16 UTC
This is not the meat you're looking for:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=178849
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NumBumming (40 DX)
17 May 16 UTC
Join the fight:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=178892
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
16 May 16 UTC
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GR-ghost rating
What's the story on this? Who keeps this up? I'm the best player here and I need the records updated to reflect this. Thanks in advance.
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ghug (5068 D(B))
16 May 16 UTC
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May Ghost Ratings Published
https://sites.google.com/site/phpdiplomacytournaments/theghost-ratingslist

The previous two months were there the whole time, and anyone who says otherwise is lying.
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NorseGod (0 DX)
17 May 16 UTC
New Game
Anyone interested in a new game, starts in 5 minutes called peace. All we need is two more players, thank you
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
04 May 16 UTC
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Mafia XIX Game Thread
This is the one. No posting, or subject to removal from the game.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
14 May 16 UTC
Another thread locked
Another thread has been locked.

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KimKardashian123 (100 DX)
16 May 16 UTC
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Great game and you can win some points
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=178846
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iTicklePickle (90 DX)
16 May 16 UTC
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Like nun on monk action?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=178846
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KingCyrus (511 D)
11 May 16 UTC
News Source
I feel like this has been asked, but I'm still looking...
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peterlund (1310 D(G))
15 May 16 UTC
Bremain vote
Nigel's best buddies are... As the game tells us. Please reconsider your alliances. ;)
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/31/farage-i-admire-putin
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brainbomb (290 D)
12 May 16 UTC
You have escaped yon dungeon.
Now the kingdom is in peril. An imposter has taken over the governors mansion and flooded the countryside with flesh eating rabbits. Anyone caught out after dark is getting shredded by these chupacabras. After several days of going from place to place you find yourself hiding inside a burger king. outside there are rabbits. thousands of them. what do you do.
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Thingyman (100 D)
30 Mar 16 UTC
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Invitation to Mafia Championship (Season 3)
Hello there.

I really hope it's okay to post this. If not, of course feel free to delete it. In short, I'd like to invite your community to participate in a Mafia Championship, featuring 136 different communities.
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peterlund (1310 D(G))
09 May 16 UTC
Hall of Shame
Vladimir Putin, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Donald Trump, Victor Orban, Robert Mugabe, Benjamin Netanyahu, Marine le Pen, Nigel Farage, Kim Jong-Un, Geert Wilders, Beata Szydlo...
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il mietitore (230 D)
02 May 16 UTC
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[Suggestion] Only one winner option
I know that the formula of this website is stable and rarely sees major changes. That being said, I'd like to suggest to implement an option by which the option to draw is eliminated, and ultimately there can be only one winner.
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aha195 (1687 D)
28 Apr 16 UTC
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Locking transgender forum?
Clarification is required as well as quotes. See below for more.
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courtneyg856 (0 DX)
14 May 16 UTC
passports,driver's licenses,visas,ID cards,
We offer only original high-quality fake passports, driver's
licenses,
www.globalbestdocuments.webs.com/
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Alderian (2425 D(S))
21 Apr 16 UTC
Where to buy a gaming computer?
So, I've got some money put aside for a new computer. In the past I've just gotten a cheap dell or had some help buying parts and putting one together. At this point I'd like to buy a pre-built one for a decent price that will do well playing games. Does such exist? What do I need to look for?

Thanks!
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Durga (3609 D)
21 Apr 16 UTC
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I think questions about computer purchases should be in the FAQ.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Apr 16 UTC
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Your best bet is to build your own. You can get exactly what you need and it is not very hard. If you want help picking parts, let me know.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Apr 16 UTC
Oh, and as always, no one can help unless we know your budget. Gaming PCs can range from $300 to $3000. What are you willing to spend?
Alderian (2425 D(S))
21 Apr 16 UTC
$1000 to $1500. I would love to have help picking parts.
Yigg (2546 D)
21 Apr 16 UTC
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You can build a pretty decent machine with that budget. I did much the same about a year ago, ordering parts off of Newegg. I'd be happy to lend a hand with that as well.
DemonRHK (100 D(B))
21 Apr 16 UTC
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Agreed, 1000-1500 is a great range. Next questiions are:
- What is an example game you want to play on max settings?
- Do you want a normal sized or a small computer tower?
- Hard drive size requirements?
- Do you already have a monitor / keyboard / mouse or do you need new?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Apr 16 UTC
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$1500 is plenty to buy an excellent machine that will play almost anything for several years.

I recommend NewEgg. Their prices are reasonable and they have excellent customer service. I believe you can also get 30 days of Premier (equivalent to Amazon Prime) for free, which you should do before purchasing you components.

Here is what you'll need. Hopefully some of these things can be salvaged from a previous rig:

CPU
Fan
Mobo
GPU
RAM
SSD
HDD(?)
Optical
Case
PSU
Keyboard
Mouse
Speakers/Headphone
Windows
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Apr 16 UTC
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I like to start with the CPU:

Some general info on naming: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/processor-numbers.html

I would suggest either the i5-4690K or the i5-6600K (i7 are a waste of money for gaming imho so I didn't look at them. You will spend an extra $100 but won't see a difference 90% of the time)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117372

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117561

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/skylake-intel-core-i7-6700k-core-i5-6600k,review-33276-7.html

The 4690K is older but still a powerhouse. Looking at the benchmarks I posted, you can see it falls just behind the newer 6600K. The 6600K requires a new socket (1151 instead of 1150) so your CPU choice will really impact every other component. If you go with the 4690K, you will save some money on each component, but these are all nearing End-Of-Life and so you won't be able to upgrade easily in a few years. With the 6600K, you'll need to pay more for everything for the newer tech, but you will be at the start of a new line of specs, so if you want to upgrade, it will be easier. Honestly, I think either way is fine, but it's up to you.

Save a little money but kill your ability to upgrade
Spend a little extra and allow for upgrading in the future (FWIW, this is what I would do)
ghug (5068 D(B))
21 Apr 16 UTC
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Or buy an AMD chip and simultaneously save money and leave yourself open to upgrade.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Apr 16 UTC
We can look at GPU at the same time as it is largely independent from your other choices:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU15/1248

The best graphics card you can buy is the GTX 980 TI but is it really worth $650? I would say no.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487142

I'd recommend getting something in the $300 range and then upgrading in 2 years if needed. You'll have spent the same amount of money (or less) and won't have noticed a difference.

I have the 970 and it is amazing. I haven't had any issues with games at highest settings. Now, I'm not running on a 4K monitor, so I'm not exactly sure where the max is, but based on the benchmarks, I can say the 980 isn't twice as good. Here is a slightly updated version of what I have:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487088

You'll note that many companies make cards with the NVIDIA GTX 970, such as EVGA, MSI, and Gigabyte. Personally, I've always had a good experience with EVGA, so I've never felt the need to look elsewhere. I did a quick search and the MSI and Gigabyte versions of the 970 don't appear to be any cheaper, so I would stick with EVGA, but others may disagree.

You could also skip NVIDIA all together and look at AMD (formally ATI) cards. Again, this comes down to personal taste, but I like NVIDIA. If for some reason you'd like an AMD, I can help you look, but I'd need to do more research before I could give a reasonable suggestion.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Apr 16 UTC
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It's true you can save yourself about $100-$150 going with an AMD CPU. Those savings come at a cost, imho. AMD vs intel is a discussion in and of itself. Neither is a bad choice, but you should know the trade-offs.

The first thing is when you get a CPU your a committing a lot of your components to that brand for the life of the machine. If I had to bet in 4 years if intel or AMD was making better CPUs, I'd pick intel every time. The other issue (and we would need to find benchmarks if OP cared) is that I believe single core performance of AMD chips is quite bad. They solve this by having ~2x the cores that intel does, which is fine, unless you are running something single-threaded, which is not unreasonable with a lot of games, in which case your CPU will not be up to the task.

Again, though, either can be fine. If OP cares we can look into it more.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
22 Apr 16 UTC
- What is an example game you want to play on max settings?
Fallout 4, Farcry 4, WoW, and I'm sure lots of other things. This is for both myself and my boys (20, 13, and 11 year olds.)

- Do you want a normal sized or a small computer tower?
No need to be small.

- Hard drive size requirements?
Want plenty of space.

- Do you already have a monitor / keyboard / mouse or do you need new?
Need new.

NewEgg + 30 days of Premier - check

SSD / HDD? Are we talking solid state versus non-solid state? Or is HDD something else?

What is meant by Optical and PSU?

i5-4690K vs i5-6600K, my instinct is 4690K because odds are I won't be upgrading. But my current computer is a 32 bit from right at the end of the 32 bit because I was still scared of things working on 64 bit and now the new stuff won't work on my 32 bit. So I could go either way.

AMD? I've gone that route in the past, but this time I'm thinking Intel.

EVGA 970 sounds good.

Guess I need to setup a NewEgg account with a shopping cart and start collecting things.

Thanks for all input, even from those I am opting against. It is still really good to hear.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
22 Apr 16 UTC
Let's go i5-6600K.
spyman (424 D(G))
22 Apr 16 UTC
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"SSD / HDD? Are we talking solid state versus non-solid state? Or is HDD something else?"

When I built my computer I bought a 250 GB SSD and a 3 TB HDD. The SSD was for the OS and my main games, while the rest of my games and data went on the HDD.

I am no expert so I went to a forum dedicated to build desktop computers. I created a thread where I stated my budget and what I was looking for. In my case I wanted gaming computer that would play the latest games AND that was super quiet. A number of people who were very knowledgeable basically chose all the parts for me, with a focus on giving the best bang for my buck.

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/7

Definitely gave me a much better system than if bought a pre-made computer. The link I posted is an Australian forum, but there must be an American forum that is similar. There is a pretty good wiki on the site with some example builds for a range of budgets.

For $1500 you should be able to get a kick-ass system, assuming the monitor is separate. But even if that budget includes a monitor you can a system that will do what you want.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
22 Apr 16 UTC
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Alright, we'll move forward with the i5-6600K build. The rest of the stuff is pretty easy.

Finding a pc forum is good, but you should look for a US-based one, or you're going to have a hard time finding the components they're talking about.

You should definitely get a SSD (solid state drive) but you may also want a 2nd HDD (hard disk drive) if you want to store lots of movies, for instance. I'll show you some good ones as I did for the CPU/GPU.

By optical I meant CD/ROM drive. Probably the cheapest there is unless you want to use this to watch BluRay movies. PSU is power supply unit. Some cases come with one, but it's better to buy your own usually. Again, I'll show you some links to these as well.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
22 Apr 16 UTC
Please don't feel compelled to stick to these items; you can change them at any time, but just to keep track:

CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117561
Fan
Mobo
GPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487088
RAM
SSD
HDD(?)
Optical
Case
PSU
Keyboard
Mouse
Speakers/Headphone
Windows
Alderian (2425 D(S))
22 Apr 16 UTC
Ah right. I hadn't heard it called a PSU before. Should have figured it out by process of elimination. And figured optical was CD/ROM but thought there might have been something more too it.

Don't need BluRay, got consoles and BluRay players for that on the TVs.

Yes on HDD for extra space as the four of us take up a lot of space. Not storing movies, but one of them likes doing video clips of his gaming, and it always sucks to be short on disk space when it is so very cheap.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
22 Apr 16 UTC
Sure thing. I'm at work ATM, bit tonight I'll show you all the other parts id recommend and you can decide if you like it.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
22 Apr 16 UTC
I'll say though that my luck with monitors hasn't been great, so if anyone has one theyd recommend please speak up (for both of us)!
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Apr 16 UTC
People have different opinions on Mobos. Some people just get something really cheap because it's an easy way to save money. I prefer to get a more expensive one for two reasons:
1) You are sure you don't have to worry about any bandwidth issues (no sense buying expensive CPU/GPU to be throttled by a cheap mobo.
2) They are a real pain in the ass to replace/upgrade, so if you get a good one at the start, you can keep it for the life of the rig.

Now, that doesn't mean you need to go crazy. For instance, here are two Asus mobos, one for $200 and one for $150:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132565
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132566

What are you actually getting for the extra $50?

Turbo-boost (this actually isn't true; if you look here https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/Z170-A/specifications/ you'll see all Z170-A support Turbo-boost even though it's only advertised on the more expensive one)
More BW on your PCIe slots (This could be an issue if you were to SLI or have a lot of other PCIe slots. But with just one GPU, this can't possibly matter, imho)
Better Audio Chip (Who cares? If you care about audio, you should buy a separate card, not spend more on a mobo)
Some other small things.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend the $200 one as you start to see real diminishing returns. And, these are only the Asus models. MSI and Gigabyte also make good mobos, but I have always had good experiences with Asus. I took a brief look at MSI and Gigabyte and they didn't seem to be having any particularly good deals. For instance, though, this Gigabyte appears equivalent to the $150 Asus but is $25 cheaper:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G3KG3691

If you wanted to go even cheaper, you could get something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128843

It's not a bad choice by any means, but it's not what I would personally do. Of the ones listed here, I would go with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132566 but really any here are fine, it's just what you're willing to spend for what you get.

Here's another one that seems reasonable: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132567

abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Apr 16 UTC
When it comes to RAM, there are a lot of numbers, most of which, honestly, don't matter.

You'll need DDR4 RAM with this mobo and it comes in different speeds and latencies. After a certain threshold, it really doesn't pay off to buy faster/lower latency RAM. If you're really curious, I'd recommend reading this, which is quite informative: http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-performance-speed-latency

The point, though, is if you don't buy garbage RAM, you can save yourself some money by not going crazy. I'd recommend G.Skill, Corsair, HyperX, or Kingston depending on who has the better deal at the time.

Here are a few to pick from. Are you going to see a difference between any of these? Personally, I'd suspect the answer is no, so you can go with the cheapest option. But you can get a more expensive one if you want.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231888
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233835
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231929
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231902

I'd highly recommend you stick to 2x8GB. 16GB is more than sufficient for quite a while, but leaving 2 slots open allows you to upgrade easier in the future.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Apr 16 UTC
Storage is very simple. Buy a Samsung SSD, because the others simply aren't as good. You'll note that Samsung as a Pro line of SSDs that are twice as expensive as their normal line. For gaming, I believe this is a waste of money. The specs are better, but you aren't going to see the increase in daily use.

I'd recommend this in either 250GB or 500GB depending on what you're willing to spend:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147372

250GB should be plenty, but if you don't want to deal with storage management, 500GB isn't a bad idea.

If you want more space, HDDs are very cheap. Both Seagate and Western Digital are good brands. In the past, I've always bought Seagate Barracudas because I'm a big Heart fan, but they've been rebranded, so we have more options available now:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339

You can go up to 2TB if you want, but the drives get slower, noisier, and more prone to fail. Unless you know you're going to be be ripping HD movies or something, I'd recommend 1TB and then add storage if you need to latter.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Apr 16 UTC
Cheapest CD/DVD burner that didn't look like it would instantly break. It's actually the same price as just the DVD/ROM drives, so might as well get the burner. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
Alderian (2425 D(S))
23 Apr 16 UTC
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117561
Fan
Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132566
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487088
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231929
SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147372
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339
CD/DVD burner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
Case
PSU
Keyboard
Mouse
Speakers/Headphone
Windows

The 500GB SSD was only 150 compared to 90 for the 250GB so was tempting, but the total in my cart is getting very close to a thousand. After adding the other pieces, I may bump it up to the 500GB. Looking very nice, thank you for all the help.

Man, back in the day of pentiums and voodoo2 cards I knew what was what and could put one of these together easy. I know I could now too if I just put in the research time, but I've never been great at research.
spyman (424 D(G))
23 Apr 16 UTC
Modern games are so huge storage wise, if you can stretch your budget to 500 GB it will be worth it in the long run. I ran out of room on my 250 GB SSD very quickly. Then again you can always add another one later.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Apr 16 UTC
I'm inclined to agree with spyman on the SSD. I have almost completely filled my 500GB SSD with 26 Steam games plus LoL, EVE, WoWS, and WItcher III. You can buy a 2nd SSD but it involves storage management that I find annoying. I would probably ditch the HDD for now and get the bigger SSD. But truly, it's whatever works for you.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Apr 16 UTC
We are getting close to your budget, but that's OK. I like to pick out the components I (reasonably) want (as you've been doing) and then go back to cut things if needed.

Also, please note that almost every one of these items has a promotion that is *not* automatically applied! Don't forget to apply these at checkout!
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Apr 16 UTC
PSU is another area where people like to save money, but I think that is unwise for 3 reasons:

1) PSU are not as efficient at high loads, so running a large powersupply at 50% is more efficient than a small powersupply at 80%. It will last longer and generate less heat.

2) Brown outs will damage your expensive electronics, so is the risk worth saving a little money?

3) The PSU is a pain to replace, and you don't want to be limited by power if you decide to upgrade your graphics card in the future.

http://images10.newegg.com/BizIntell/tool/psucalc/index.html?name=Power-Supply-Wattage-Calculator
http://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/

I plugged in your components and NewEgg recommends 691W whereas CoolerMaster recommends 388W (but really 550W). NewEgg is notorious for recommending PSUs that are much too large.

The other thing to note is efficiency rating, which uses the 80 Plus standard. A more efficient PSU will waste less power. This probably doesn't impact your electricity bill if you're just playing games (versus running an always-on server, for instance) but that inefficiency does lead to excess heat. You can learn more about the standard here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus

I think this Corsair 600W 80 Plus Bronze would work well. Plenty of additional power for upgrades and a reasonable price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028

If you want the Gold efficiency and modular cables (which is nice, but not needed) you could look at this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139143

If you really want to save money, you could go for the 500W, but like I said, is $15 worth worrying about power? Personally, I say no, but you may not care:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Apr 16 UTC
The OEM CPU fans that shipped with intel used to be absolute garbage. Honestly, I think they're better now, but I still buy my own because of all the bad memories I've had.

I'd recommend this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

The picture does not do justice to how large it truly is. You will go into shock when you see it.

Do you need it? No, but you can buy it if you want.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
23 Apr 16 UTC
Yeah, I noticed the promotion codes. I will definitely have to make sure I get all of those entered.

Added the CPU fan.

Jumping from $65 to $100 on the bronze versus gold PSU. That's a big jump. What does the modular cables do for me? Or maybe more to the point, what does the lack of them mean with the cheaper one?

Also, on the $100 one, it says " $79.99 after $20.00 rebate card". What does that mean? That after I buy it I'll be able to get a manufacturers rebate or something?

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