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wjessop (100 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
The Fermi Paradox -- Where Are All The Aliens?
1. Estimates of stars with habitable planets range into the high billions.
2. The Sun is a typical star and there is a high probability that many other stars will have Earth-like planets, some of which have already been observed.
3. If Earth is typical, other Earth-like planets should have developed intelligent life.
4. Based on this, there should be lots of opportunities for life in the Milky Way galaxy. Where are all the aliens?
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wjessop (100 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
If only 0.1% of the 1 billion+ planets estimated to have habitable life in the galaxy contained life, this would still be 1 million planets with life. Why have we not encountered any visible signs of other life in the galaxy? This is the Fermi Paradox.

Here's an introductory video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhhvQGsMEc

There are lots of different responses as to why this is the case.

What are the various different thoughts and opinions of us here?
BaldOldGuy (74 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
"Where are all the aliens?"

Maybe God did not create them.
wjessop (100 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
That is one possible answer, which a lot of people will put faith in.
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
06 Nov 15 UTC
http://www.amazon.com/Existence-David-Brin/dp/0765342626

I really recommend this. It's fiction, but excellent.
Espi (338 D)
06 Nov 15 UTC
Consider that we are among the most highly adapted so far and that no one yet has caught up to us.
ssorenn (0 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
according to our laws of physics, we can not travel faster than the speed of light, we are barely able to make it to our moon. why would any other possible earth like planet with intelligent aliens be any different. the closest known possibility of an inhabitable planet is what, 150 million light years away......hmmm, i wonder?
MarquisMark (326 D(G))
06 Nov 15 UTC
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There is very likely life out there on other planets, but like ssorenn said, they're so far away.

I thought I read something about scientists thinking there's a possibility of life on Jupiter and Saturn moons, maybe under the outer crust or lifeforms that have adapted to a liquid methane environment.
wjessop (100 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
Here are some possible explanations, starting with the most obvious:

No other alien life or intelligent civilizations exist.

It is the nature of intelligent life to destroy itself.
-Environmental damage
-War

Intelligent alien life too far part in space in time.

It is too expensive to permamently travel or communicate across the galaxy.

Alien life is too technologically advanced for us to detect with our limited technological capabilities.
-i.e., civilisations may have advanced beyond the use of radio signals

Alien life exists but is not yet technologically-capable enough to communicate or be detected.

Everyone is listening, no one is transmitting.
-(Earth is currently only listening; and is not actively transmitting for alien detection)

Earth is deliberately not contacted/interfered with.

Earth is kept intentionally isolated.
-in the form of a zoo for a higher form of life
-as a science experiment by a higher form of life
-by the design of a higher form of life

Other civilisations deem it too danerous to communicate.

Alien life is already here undected.

Alien life is already here unacknowledged.
wjessop (100 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
"according to our laws of physics, we can not travel faster than the speed of light, we are barely able to make it to our moon."

That may just be our current limitation, in the same way that 100s of years ago sailors would say that they cannot travel faster than the speed of the wind.

The speed of light barrier may not be an unbreakable upper limit -- even if it is, the use of artificial wormholes is a possible way around this.
Durga (3609 D)
06 Nov 15 UTC
#otherkin
Yoyoyozo (65 D)
06 Nov 15 UTC
Wjessop, there likely are aliens, but maybe they aren't capable of interstellar travel. I mean we aren't, so why should we even assume it's a viable options. As for visual signs, it's extremely hard to find signs of life. Mars may very well have extremophiles hidden under the ice layer in it's craters. It's just that we've never actual tested the water. As for intellegent life, is highly unlikely there is any in our solar system, which is about the only place we've "extensive" (using the word very loosely) searched. We just don't have the tech to figure out if there is any life out there.

Of the billions of planets we've found, we really only know approximations of its temperature, geographical features, and atmospheric composition sometimes. So it's hard to say which planets have life on them, though most scientists agree that mathematically, earth can't be alone.
ssorenn (0 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
There is very likely life out there on other planets, -- i really dont understand why people think that. Billions of possibilities through the known universe...why not? Are we that full of ourselves?
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
06 Nov 15 UTC
If tachyons can be proven to exist then the Speed of Light barrier will eventually be passed.
MarquisMark (326 D(G))
06 Nov 15 UTC
"That may just be our current limitation, in the same way that 100s of years ago sailors would say that they cannot travel faster than the speed of the wind.

The speed of light barrier may not be an unbreakable upper limit -- even if it is, the use of artificial wormholes is a possible way around this."

No, my understanding is that this is one of the unbreakable laws of the universe. Nothing goes faster than the speed of light.
Durga (3609 D)
06 Nov 15 UTC
Ever heard of area 51?

But seriously, we're probably pretty close to discovering life forms on other planets. Getting there or even being able to interact with them is another thing, or maybe this is all the Truman Show ~
This is a very interesting topic.

@ssorenn - there are potentially habitable planets within 100 light years. That's a doable distance.

As for the general question, there's the fact that other civilizations have perhaps have existed millions of years longer than we have. Look at how much we've grown over the past 100 years. Now increase that exponentially. That makes me scared, frankly. I'm firmly in the camp that we should not reach out, because we might not like who returns the call.
ssorenn (0 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
IF, and then IF its proven how long does it take to create a viable way for humans to travel though space, and at what cost.....
ssorenn (0 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
@ssorenn - there are potentially habitable planets within 100 light years. That's a doable distance

Say wha? that's doable? hmm, the average male lives to 77 years old........hmmm....is mary jane legal in your state?
Espi (338 D)
06 Nov 15 UTC
@gold I am not sure which is worse, being among the lesser developed raced, or among the higher developed.
Not in our current era, but eventually we should have the technology to pry into those planets more closely.
wjessop (100 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
" No, my understanding is that this is one of the unbreakable laws of the universe. Nothing goes faster than the speed of light. "

@MarquisMark: I'm not denying that, with the proviso "currently". That's the whole point of my analogy about the sailors who would think 100s of years ago that wind was the fastest speed of travel.

The sailor would say to you "hmm, speed of light, no; all I know is the speed of wind".
@Espi - I would say lesser is worse. I'd rather not be extinguished/harvested/toyed with.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
06 Nov 15 UTC
The speed of light being unbreakable isn't true when tachyons are hypothesised to exist anyway. It's the current known limit; but things change quickly in physics. A century ago; atoms were just protons and electrons mixed together in a general lump.
Espi (338 D)
06 Nov 15 UTC
@gold civilizations on earth developed in similar ways, what is to say that other races would be so dissimilar from us? You would have to have similar motivations to want to go to space, so either we are very similar to anything that might be out there, or be are vastly different, I don't think there is any in-between. Lets hope the similar is more realistic.
MarquisMark (326 D(G))
06 Nov 15 UTC
"The sailor would say to you "hmm, speed of light, no; all I know is the speed of wind".

But a sailor could look at a musket ball, an arrow, or a ballista fire and know that it is possible for an object to surpass the speed of wind, but the engineering is lacking.

We cannot visually see anything surpass the speed of light.

Of course, that could change someday. Who knows. I'm probably the last person who should be contributing to this thread. Most of my physics knowledge comes from NDT and Stephen Hawking documentaries on Netflix.
ssorenn (0 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
hypothesized---thats the key word...i said as it stand, the laws of physics say, nothing can break the speed of light barrier....i did not say that cant change :P
goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
06 Nov 15 UTC
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@Espi - yes, civilizations on Earth developed in a similar way.....and enslaved those from lesser civilizations and extinguished any civilization that would try to rival them. Seen any Carthaginians around lately?

If there are other civilizations out there, I hope that we're the most advanced of all of them, because if we're not and they're anything like us, we're fucked.
Also, @ssorenn - thinking about it some more, if this em-drive that NASA is researching can actually create propulsion from nothing, then its very possible to create a spacecraft that will eventually approach the speed of light - at which point the perception of time in the craft will change and its very likely that distances within ~20 lightyears will be possible to travel in a human lifespan. Also, it means the known laws of physics have been broken.
wjessop (100 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
More intellectually advanced civilizations would hopefully be more thoughtful and considerate about other species, in the same way that humans are evolving to be more widely considerate of other life on earth and being aware of the needs for stewardship.
wjessop (100 DX)
06 Nov 15 UTC
But yes, agreed with goldfinger, I'd much rather be on the top-side of the scale than the bottom -- Epsi, why would you possibly want to be the weaker end of the scale, the lowly beings still using hammers and nails being visited by interstellar super intelligent/powerful aliens.

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maddotter (830 D)
08 Nov 15 UTC
Sunboat should start at 10:06a ET
The timer says Now, but I set the game to start in 30 min at 9:36 ET. http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=169540
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Octavious (2701 D)
08 Nov 15 UTC
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At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them.
"The whole earth is the tomb of heroic men, and their story is not graven only on stone over their clay, but abides everywhere without visible symbol woven into the stuff of other men's lives."
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brainbomb (290 D)
07 Nov 15 UTC
Can you request..
NMR's to be removed if they were due to webdip server outage. I know it seems like a crazy thing to request but reputation does seem to matter quite a bit on here.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
06 Nov 15 UTC
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Facts based discussion on the Pyramids
Nobody denies that the pyramids exist. Now, however, it has emerged that one of the Republican party's leading candidates to run for president believes that the pyramids were built for storing grain. I know Diplomacy players are among the smartest people in the world. So I ask you – do the math. Show how the pyramids were not tombs, but granaries.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
07 Nov 15 UTC
Looking for boardgame playtesters
Dear all,
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Sunysweets (0 DX)
07 Nov 15 UTC
Ancient Med
Would someone to play a quick game on the hour or two (map ancient med)
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peterwiggin (15158 D)
07 Nov 15 UTC
Live game needs new England.
Good position. If I didn't have plans with my wife, I'd take it myself. http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=169474
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
23 Oct 15 UTC
Last days for the Netherlands Diplomacy Championship
You can still register for the Netherlands Diplomacy Championship, we're getting at least three boards full, maybe four if you MAN UP and join :-)

http://bit.ly/nederdip2015
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Nov 15 UTC
If someone really wanted to piss you off...
...What superpower would they best give you?
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
06 Nov 15 UTC
What is Your One Superpower?
Simple question, if you could have one superpower what would it be (cliche I know), and please get creative. One restriction though, your power can not give you other powers, that's cheating. With that being said, let's begin.
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beniliusbob (0 DX)
30 Oct 15 UTC
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Dirty Orc Tricks
I can't be the only one here with polyhedral dice in my diplomatic pouch. Help me out with your down dirtiest orc tricks and know that you will have contributed to my D&D players' shame and humiliation next Saturday.
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wildwolf (1214 D)
04 Nov 15 UTC
Winner Take All versus Points per cost centre
Does one game style produce less draws than the other.

Has there been any analysis done....
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Ogion (3882 D)
03 Nov 15 UTC
So, what's your name all about?
I confess I'm kind of curious how you all chose your names.
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denis (864 D)
06 Nov 15 UTC
whats the least amount of units you have soloed with?
least amount units in comparison to largest number of final centers.
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Spitnaz (496 D)
06 Nov 15 UTC
Cheating?
I'm in a gunboat game and in Autumn 1904 Austria was 2/2 in support moves for Italy and Italy was 1/1 in support moves for Austria. Perhaps they just guessed correctly what each person was doing, but how do I contact the admins to report my concerns?
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ssorenn (0 DX)
05 Nov 15 UTC
new Italy needed
good position
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Hannibal76 (100 D(B))
05 Nov 15 UTC
Join Me
Join me, ancient med
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=169349
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wjessop (100 DX)
02 Nov 15 UTC
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Live Mafia
Message here for live mafia games.
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brainbomb (290 D)
04 Nov 15 UTC
Best Opening moves : Italy (gunboat)
So this is my own curiousity. What opening do you see most often in gunboat by Italy?
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wjessop (100 DX)
30 Oct 15 UTC
Mafia 13.5
Would anyone be interested in a mafia starting on Monday?

Limited capacity, ~10 players. Limited PRs, mostly vanilla town/mafia.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
04 Nov 15 UTC
Old CCGs
Picking up "dead" CCGs from the 90s/2000s is a bit of a hobby of mine. You can often get booster boxes or cases of starter decks for a fraction of MSRP.

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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
03 Nov 15 UTC
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webDip YouTube Channel
Hello all,
I've had several people ask about the YouTube channel, so I just wanted to assure everyone that it is not dead. We were having some audio recording issues that were making the videos very time consuming to produce. Once I resolve that (hopefully very soon) I expect we will go back to a very frequent release schedule. Stay tuned!
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Yoyoyozo (65 D)
31 Oct 15 UTC
Super High Stakes, high quality games?
I'm looking to blow 400-500 D and I wouldn't mind it being all in one game.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
31 Oct 15 UTC
Mafia, and other games...
Ok so i'm a big fan of (see inside)...
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wjessop (100 DX)
03 Nov 15 UTC
ANNOUNCED: New Star Trek TV Series Coming 2017
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34704082

After celebrating the 50th Anniversary, the new TV series will be released.
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ckroberts (3548 D)
11 Sep 15 UTC
The Mountain is dead/Long live the Mountain
The Mountain Game 4 has ended, and sign-ups for Game 5 shall commence.
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jaimejenny (0 DX)
02 Nov 15 UTC
Quality Best High novelty Passports,ID,Drivers License for
No spam on forum
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
31 Oct 15 UTC
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Nod Team Announcement
See inside.
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big_dawg (100 D)
31 Oct 15 UTC
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New to the game
Any kewl tips u guys have? new 2 the game. heard great things XD
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