The irony of the following post is incredible because I'm on my third refill right now and I'm gonna be fuuuuuuuuuucked in the morning. (Or afternoon, because I probably won't wake up till then..)

A bottle of wine, as in the full umm...

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(I wonder how that will turn out...)

Is a lot, but you'll be fully functional by the time tomorrow comes around. Don't drink any more tonight, and drink as much water as your body will allow.

Yeah I thought that ASCII might not end well.

@pangloss: well, I'm high school age, above the average age of the school as well as the class... Probably should have mentioned that. Does that mean too much in your opinion?

@bo_sox: yup, that's what I mean with a bottle of wine, but I drank it over the course of 4 hours or something, refilling my glass while others drank too, but if you would put everything I drank back in the bottle, I estimate it would be about full. Maybe not completely, maybe with a bit left over...

The party was Friday though. You didn't really think I'd go on webdip while I'm at a party, did you? :)

Anyway, I did drink quite a bit of water (could have been more though... 6 glasses? 5?) and I still felt a bit under influence on saturday and I'm having a bit of a headache today, although at this point I don't have a clue wether that has anything to do with the party...

So I can better compare to others, about how much beer equals a bottle of wine? The beer was just the standard stuff, the wine was white, 8,5% I believe, although I must say I don't visually remember seeing that number.
And how much would that be in terms of vodka and the like?

Also, when I say I had 'one beer and two wine' to my parents, would they think two glasses of wine, or two small bottles? I know that's a bit of a weird question since I could just be specific, but I wasn't when I said how much I drank (since I was thinking in glasses I may have lied a little...), and I'm not sure what they think I meant now :)
They did immediately assume a beer means a bottle of beer.

If you were still in a half-drunk state Saturday, the hangover headache would have been today. Apparently it wasn't that bad though if you aren't even sure what it was from. If you get a bad hangover, you'll know exactly how it happened (even though in some cases you might not remember you'll still know how... cough cough happened to me cough)...

I have no idea what the alcohol conversions are but vodka and most shots are heavier than wine, as would be a lot of beers (darker beers - if you're in Europe, you probably don't drink a lot of the shitty light stuff we have here anyway).

They'd think you had two glasses, but my advice to you is to keep your party adventure experiences away from your parents. Mine think I'm boring as hell - LOL. Then again, what I do isn't legal, yours is, so I don't know.

To go back to the OP a bit, I think you're going to end up figuring out over time that how much you can handle is probably vastly different than most of the people you're around, especially girls. If you had that much and didn't cross into the crazy drunk stages, you've got a decent threshold. Regardless, don't drive if you've had anything, as I'm sure you know, don't mess with drunk chicks (especially if you're a guy that gets attached quickly, I know that's me) don't get into arguments with close friends/family, etc. All the usual.

If you feel the need to lie to your parents about how much you drank, then you probably drank too much.

Nahhh, I'm sure they know, it disappears from their fridge after all.

For someone at high school, that's quite a lot (even if the wine was relatively low alcohol content) - around 6-7 'units' (A unit is half a pint of beer (at 3.8% abv), a small (125ml) glass of wine (12.5%), a shot (25ml) of spirits (40%))

For an adult, not so much

"A unit is half a pint of beer (at 3.8% abv)"

Wow, what kind of piss are you guys drinking?

@bo_sox: yeah, I wasn't going to say how much I really had, I just thought I maybe did accidently.

The beer was all Bavaria, Grolsch, Heineken... I'm not sure if that qualifies as light but for me, it sure as hell qualifies as shitty :)

As for legal, well, technically it's allowed in private places and this was at someone's home, but I'm not drinking age since the law changed :)

As for not messing around with drunk chicks, what if those drunk chicks want to mess around, and it's clear to everyone that it's just messing around? What's the harm done in that case?

To give you some perspective, I am rather caring and I would try to make sure they're fine. I actually took a very drunk girl who wasn't taking it very well home, although to be fair, she lives about 10 metres away from me so it wasn't like I really made a sacrifice or anything.

@abgemacht:
For me, the reason to lie is rather that my parents don't seem to understand that the fact that I'm just having fun for one night and won't drink anything until the next party makes it much less bad, while they see no harm in drinking several beers every day. I think they don't completely grasp where the real dangers lie, and I might be drinking much for one evening, but I think I'm not taking a real risk (otherwise tell me I suppose), while I believe several drinks every day contributes to an unhealthy lifestyle (as well as a bad example, but don't worry, I'm perfectly capable of ignoring my parents :P). What I'm saying is that they know too little about it to judge, so they might as well not know how much I did exactly drink.
I would also like to stress that this was already more than I would normally go for. I don't drink to get wasted, I just thought the wine was really good...

@Pete U: I know it's a lot, is it too much though?

@everyone:
Does the fact that I'm feeling quite fine automatically mean it was apparently not too much for me?

I guess I just find girls that get themselves drunk and then take their clothes off unbelievably boring and unsophisticated. Smart and pretty isn't too much to ask for. I've only been with a drunk girl once, but she ended up being the worst I've ever had by a lot, and considering how boring she was I doubt I came off as a great guy to her either.

Also, I haven't seen her in person since, but I've seen her online... apparently she takes her clothes off for literally anyone.

In conclusion - I can't stand drunk girls, but getting high and staying the night is literally the best thing ever. Ever.

Plenty of people have died from liver failure who never experienced a hangover, so not having one doesn't really mean anything.

Still, a bottle of wine is approximately a pint and a half of liquid at around 3 times the strength, so in total you've had around 4 pints. (2 litres if you're that way inclined). That would probably be concerning if you did it every day, but for the occasional night out it's nothing to worry about. Combined with lots of water and spread out over 4 hours it is safe as houses.

steephie, i am, again, bewildered by your need to use this forum to evalute what is going on in your life. Don't take this the wrong way, i have no problem with what you do, but i would have imagined that one talks about these things with friends.
Is it to have reassurance that what you do is "normal"? But you seem to have quite made up your mind about what you want and do not want to do, so what influence do the answers here have on you anyway? How would you react if i told you that what you do is stupid, appalling and so forth? Or is it to make others talk about their failings to make you laugh?

On topic: As long as you can walk, talk and remember most of the evening in the morning you are fine. "Too much" is always defined by a whole set of parameters and differs between persons and even from day to day.
As soon as you start drinking every other day for prolonged periods of time you are fucked, just as it is with every other drug. I am sure there are people on this form who have tough stories to tell about addiction, but i doubt anyone will do soul striptease here.

Note to self: Steephie not responsible. No wonder his HTML looks like it was written by a drunken sailor. :-)

Bur seriously, why does the under 25 crowd seem to spend so much time more drunk than a wife beating alcoholic on a Saturday night?

@ Partysane

C'mon, be fair. Friends are utterly useless for this sort of thing. Most of mine in the late teenage years saw 6 or 7 litres of beer as perfectly normal and downing a pint of shots on special occasions was met with great approval and encouragement. I'd say the webdip forum kicks serious arse in this regard.

"Bur seriously, why does the under 25 crowd seem to spend so much time more drunk than a wife beating alcoholic on a Saturday night?"

Have to get through the soul-crushing reality of this shit economy we're breaking out into somehow...

Ours is a sobering age, so we refuse to take it soberly. ;)

(And port, steephie--a bottle of port and rum afterwards, then we're talking!) :p

I am in no way trying to be unfair. Also, I neither condone nor abolish the consumation of excessive amounts of different drugs as long as the only person endangered is the one taking said drugs.
It seems my upbringing was a little bit different from Octavius teenage years. I could talk to my friends about drugs, habits of drug consumation and the results. We still were excessive in what we did ... it wouldn't even enter my mind to deny that. ;)

If you remember how much you had and what you had you weren't drunk enough to worry. when you start forgetting parts of the evening and have to ask friends what happened that is usually a good sign you went OTT.
If you enjoy do it still you stop enjoying it then move on to soft drinks.
Most people I know with drink problems are ones who can't stop once they have started and so get completely wrecked, or people who make bad choices when drunk such as become extremely violent or offensive.
If you're actually on a night out and you are worrying about how much alcohol you are drinking you have 2 choices, either stop or carry on until the worrying stops.
Best advice is find out what you like and don't like and stick with it and don't give in to peer pressure by having booze you don't want or don't like.

@ Partysane

Don't get me wrong, I could talk to them. You'd just struggle to find an answer that wasn't skewed towards more enthusiastic attitudes regarding heavy drinking. Still, my home town was quite special. We even managed to get our own Panorama documentary.

@bo_sox:
Haha, two different worlds I'm guessing. I wasn't talking about girls taking their clothes off, and I certainly wasn't talking about 'being with' a drunk girl. Moreover, I have to agree that it's hard to be interested in drunk girls, but you said it as if it's as stupid as driving a car and I simply have to disagree. If a girl and me want to have fun with clothes staying on and we both know it's just for fun, I see no harm. Would you agree to that assessment?

@Partysane: you seem to be missing the point. I can ask my friends, but they would just tell me how much they drank and more likely encourage me to drink more rather than less next time. Their answer would be entirely useless. I may even ask them when I see them again, but that would be to have a conversation, not so I can follow their advice on drinking.
I could explain some more, but unlike what you seem to think, I don't feel the need to evaluate my life on webdip.
As for why I post this stuff on webdip, well, just curious and it's something very useful to know I think. And yes, I also thought it could become a fun thread.
Don't worry though, usually I don't post stuff on here unless at least half the school already seems to know :)

@Draugnar:
Drunk for the first time. No habit. I was just relaxing with a bottle of wine.. Hell, I recall you telling me on this forum to have some fun with the $50 you sent me. Do I need to explain to you how bad it would have been if I spent $50 on drinks?

I know you're mostly joking of course, but still :)

@obiwanobiwan:
Oh shut up! Ahead is opportunity, just stop going with the flow and you'll be fine, because the flow is running out of jobs.

@NigeeBaby: I was already doing what you say is the best advice, so I suppose I'm covered there.

Oh and @Draugnar: I dare say I wasn't more drunk than a wife beating alcoholic :-)

"Oh shut up! Ahead is opportunity, just stop going with the flow and you'll be fine, because the flow is running out of jobs."

...O.o

Just saying obi. I only know two kinds of people, those who are fine and those who think we're in a crisis. Where I can, I try to help them out of their nightmare, which works occasionally, with baby steps. Think outside the box.

<<As for not messing around with drunk chicks, what if those drunk chicks want to mess around, and it's clear to everyone that it's just messing around? What's the harm done in that case?>>

The harm that's often done in that case is an allegation of rape or another sex crime. Also a person can become a binge alcoholic even if you don't drink most days. Finally, like Abge so wisely stated, if you feel the need to lie to your parents, then something is wrong somewhere. PartySane, we ARE his friends. :-)

Am I the only one who isn't talking about sex when he says messing around?

I mean just kissing and doing other stuff without taking off clothes. It happens all the time around here. Still harmful?

I don't drink for the sake of getting drunk so I don't think I'll be a binge alcoholic anytime soon.

I was making a play on D.H. Lawrence, steephie:

"Ours is essentially a tragic age, so we refuse to take it tragically."

Besides, I'm far too apathetic and jaded to fret, crisis or no...

For example, I have equal disregard for those advising to "go with the flow" as I do those encouraging "thinking outside the box." There's as much misguided hypocrisy in following along with things as there is thinking that you yourself are anything special and somehow original or a leader.

A buzz of electrons, that's how I view people--as incapable of forming an idealized, coherent group as they are incapable of standing out from the blur...unless, of course, someone takes the trouble to scrutinize and measure them...

But then, in so doing, you distort and alter that individual electron's "place" anyway...as I do every day here with my shameless quoting of those human electrons that penned a word here and there. ;)

Or, to quote the eternally-wise Daria Morgendorffer:

"Stand firm for what you believe in, until or unless experience proves you wrong. Remember, when the emperor looks naked, the emperor is naked. A truth and a lie are not sort of the same thing. And there's nothing, no aspect of life that can't be made better by pizza."

Substitute pizza for port, and there you go.


Apathy is the sweetest apertif. ;)

Well obi, in this case I don't think it matters who's right but it matters what you think.

Generally speaking, my rule is if I feel anything less than tip top the next morning. (That includes still feeling intoxicated.) Then I've had too much to drink. With the added clause that if I was sick the night before that's also too much. For me the exact number varies considerably from night to night, depending one what I've eaten along with how much I've been consuming alcohol lately.

Generally, if I'm out partying with friends, most of whom aim to get drunk, I aim well below the point where there is a risk of me breaking that rule. Which for me means 3/4-1 bottle of wine or 3-4 Pints of Beer or 3-6oz of hard liquor. During the school year this happens maybe 1-2 times per month. If I'm just out with friends having a casual drink, I'll have a 1-2 drinks, depending how long we're in the bar, restaurant and so forth.

I find the limits work for me, but everyone's body is different, I strongly recommend setting your limits, and setting them early, and low(ish). I've never had the misfortune of a hangover but from my experience helping people through them they aren't fun.