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frenchie29 (185 D)
20 Feb 14 UTC
Why so much politics?
One thing I've noticed here is that there are so many threads based on politics, and I've been wondering what gets everybody so worked up about politics? I personally have very strong views that I would like to voice, but I don't know exactly how to jump in and how it will effect the way people view me on the site. I love a good debate, so I'd love to jump in. Any suggestions?
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krellin (80 DX)
18 Feb 14 UTC
Generation Wuss (link)
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/bret-easton-ellis-interview

Amen, brother...
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King Atom (100 D)
20 Feb 14 UTC
International Actors
At least in the major film industries, you rarely see an actor in America who hails from a different country. Sure, there's the occasional British or Australian who comes along, and I'm sure we visit them from time to time, but in a 'Globalizing World,' are cultural boundaries still too powerful to withhold a type of entertainment that is enjoyed so universally? Any thoughts?
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Bastoid (0 D)
20 Feb 14 UTC
World Map - Moving from Armenia to Moscow not possible
Has anyone encountered the issue of moving a fleet from Armenia to Moscow on the large world map? The map shows it should be possible, but no option to do it comes up in a drop down list.
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oiuypiuypoy (0 DX)
20 Feb 14 UTC
come play yo
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=136145
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KingCyrus (511 D)
20 Feb 14 UTC
NEED ONE MORE PLAYER
gameID=136005

Pass:
adam
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krellin (80 DX)
17 Feb 14 UTC
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Jobs for Libtar...I mean My WebDip Friends
Take heart, you sad-sack Libtards! There ARE jobs for those of your ilk and intellect...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-national-clown-shortage-approaching-article-1.1616801
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President Eden (2750 D)
18 Feb 14 UTC
Reinventing my career path: Programming/Software engineering
As above, below.
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So, I'm about to graduate with a degree in economics, but without the resources + grades + work experience to go to grad school or get a pertinent job, I'm thinking it's probably smart to reconsider where I'm going with this. I've had a latent interest in programming, I know I have the skillset for it, and the financial investment to learn the skill seems manageable (i.e. the cost of Internet access and computer maintenance).

Some questions for the software engineers here:

1) If I start teaching myself how to program now and commit seriously to it (i.e. practicing 20-30 hrs a week), can I reasonably expect to be hireable as a software engineer (doing whatever work within; I haven't decided on a specialization yet and it'll likely come down to what language comes most naturally) in five years with a degree not immediately relevant to my field? Assume that I'm as competent as I think I am and thus actually learn how to program worth a shit in those five years. We're not talking savant-tier mastery, just the level of competence you'd expect a normal person committing 6500 hours to an endeavor would have.

2) What kind of a "portfolio," so to speak, would I need to get hired somewhere? I know that's going to depend on who's hiring, but I imagine I'll have to have some projects I can show people to prove that, y'know, I can actually do the job I'm applying for.

3) What languages should I bother learning? After some preliminary reading my plan is to learn Python first to get the hang of programming (as it's allegedly really user-friendly), and then move on to C++, Java, and SQL (which combined should allow me to do basically whatever I want/what I'd be hired for). I'll pick up HTML at some point too so I can do web design.

4) What are some good FREE resources to use for this endeavor? I can't afford going back to school or dropping a bunch of money on this; while the return on investment would definitely be high (assuming I see it through), I don't have the funds on hand to actually do this, and I'm really wary of borrowing money because if I don't see it through for whatever reason, I'll be in a pretty serious bind.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
18 Feb 14 UTC
I still believe you are a particularly gifted person also in areas that require advanced communication and some politics. I believe if you focus fully on computers, you'll throw away not only a valuable degree in economics, but also these skills that you can't put to such good use in the computer domain.
rollerfiend (0 DX)
18 Feb 14 UTC
I just gave an interview for a software engineering position literally yesterday.

1) IMO, you need a degree in atleast electrical engineering (if not computer engineering or computer science) to be taken seriously as a software engineer. You also need to back up your education with practical projects that the employer would find interesting and that challenged you and your skills.

2) As above, you need to have atleast a couple projects under your belt that show you can take a project from its starting phase of specification to coding, integration, testing, and its final phase of documentation.

3) Depends on what kind of market you're aiming for. Generally the more computer sciency the more languages you'll have to be familiar with. The more engineering or 'physical' based, C/C++ and assembly would be absolutely required.

4) The best thing I recommend if you are seriously interested in this endeavor, is to take a class if not a program at your local community college. You will get the accredidation on your resume, and pick up some good knowledge on what is being used and what to expect when you do start looking for jobs.

Good luck!
rollerfiend (0 DX)
18 Feb 14 UTC
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I should add that engineering is an accreditation based program, we are the gatekeepers of this profession and you have to be one of us to get through. Computer science is different; someone who is HIGHLY skilled (and can prove it) could easily get through and get employed without a degree.

My practical answer for you would be to go into Finance/analysis. It is the closest you will get to the computer side from your economics background.
krellin (80 DX)
18 Feb 14 UTC
I'd generally agree with what roller has to say. I'm a Technical Recruiter, and most of my clients (generally Tier 1 automotive customers) are looking for that degree. That being said...there are some self-taught guys out there making a lot of money - a lot of them are consultants - doing project-based work for companies (as opposed to being a direct hire or a contract employer) - so these guys are doing 1099 work.

If you are not going to have a degree, at least get *some* formal education - take a class so you can put it on your resume, get some exposure to real-world coding practices and standards. I would also do some project work -- do it on your own and develop a personal portfolio you can reference on your resume, and perhaps put up a personal web page to highlight yoru projects -- you have to have a way to demonstrate to someone that you are actually able to do what you claim, and without a degree or prior experience, a portfolio is it.

Working with a recruiter is not a bad idea either, as they can address the negatives with a potential employer before HR throws your resume out for not having a degree...IF you can find a recruiter willing to work with a non-degreed wanna-be software engineer (which I do...I like talent, not fancy pieces of paper, and I have seen a few highly paid, self-taught, non-degreed SW guys over the years)

As for languages - depends on the industry, what you want to do, etc. I plce a lot of software engineers for automotive embedded systems, infotainment systems, etc...we look for C++, some C, looking for QNX operating system (for infotainment) and Linux, Android is increasing in popularity (again, specifically talking infotainment systems).

But is you want to use your financial skills and work more IT/application/web based work or whatever, you will be looking at different languages, etc. So you need to research what your target job will be, and find out what they are using.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
18 Feb 14 UTC
PE, you may want to look into getting into the more statistics heavy field that also incorporates information usage as kind of a compromise. Systems Analysis may be something you should look into.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Feb 14 UTC
There is a reason people spend 4 years training as an engineer. If you don't have a relevant degree, the best you could hope for, IMHO, is more of an IT position. You may then be able to work your way up. The market is still really bad and with plenty of young and old engineers on the market, why would anyone take someone with no formal experience?

I think your better option is to look for a financial/economic informatics-like position. I'm sure there are plenty of places that would value someone who had training in economics but could also use a computer.

If you haven't graduated, your other option is to switch to Computer Science and use your math and gened credits to hopefully fininish with a double major in just 2 more years. That would make you very employable.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
18 Feb 14 UTC
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I guess what we're trying to say is that the world needs ditch diggers too.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Feb 14 UTC
As for languages, it depends on what you're going to do, but absolute musts are C,C++, and Java. A scripting language like Perl is also good. Python is a good place to start. Ruby on Rails, php, SQL, CSS are all good depending on your interests. Don't even mention that weak sauce HTML. If someone asks you if you know HTML, just act offended that they even asked.
krellin (80 DX)
18 Feb 14 UTC
PE - dont' listen to the detractors -- it can be done, because I've seen it done - you just have to accept that your career path will not be conventional, and will probably start out more having to market yourself to companies to secure contract/project-based work until you establish a bit of a work history...and you will get this contract work by building a portfolio of robots and cool things to demonstrate you can control sensor input and interface with device drivers, etc. Degree (in theory) demonstrates knowledge. Guess what else demonstrates knowledge? DEMONSTRATIONS! Yay....
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Feb 14 UTC
Yeah but why would he spend 5 years training himself when he could spend 2 years getting a CS degree?
rollerfiend (0 DX)
18 Feb 14 UTC
The best solution if PE is serious about all this and isn't going through some phase of not liking his chosen degree, is : get a community college degree and then work your way up.

You are taking the harder route here. A lot of people will look at your degree in Economics and just write you off immediately. Krellin is right it can be done but a question I would ask myself if I was in your position: should it?
rollerfiend (0 DX)
18 Feb 14 UTC
Also you know very little about programming/coding and don't even know if you like it. I think you're kinda at the infatuation stage of all this, and are actually in for a reality check...not to sound too harsh.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Feb 14 UTC
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Also a very relevant question: what about Economics caused you to get bad grades?
rollerfiend (0 DX)
18 Feb 14 UTC
Who cares about bad grades, Abe, as long as you get your damn degree, you're atleast half as good as the other people out there! I imagine in a field such as economics, it's mostly people-skills after that, and Eden is pretty decent at them from his behavior on the forums.
rollerfiend (0 DX)
18 Feb 14 UTC
*guessing from his behavior on the forums
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Feb 14 UTC
If his grades are bad because he's shit at math then a degree in CS will be hard to obtain...
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
18 Feb 14 UTC
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Probably couldn't master drawing a big "X"
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
18 Feb 14 UTC
So I am in agreement with abge and 2nd here. If you want an actual programming position you are going to need some type of degree or certification. What I would recommend is that you teach yourself SQL, get a SQL certification and then look for a data/analytics position in a software company. With that you'll be able to open the doorway to more programming related positions since you'll have experience at a technical company.

Anyways if you do go the programming path C++ is an absolute must. It opens the door into object oriented programming languages like Java and C#, but also is an amazing intro into C. Aside from that, SQL is a must if you want to do anything with companies related to Database work. Most companies use code that incorporates some type of DB these days, so SQL is beyond important. Java is a good one to learn, but I would not learn it before C++. Python or Perl are good to know, and then learn html and some basic CSS

And free of charge, your first c++ program. Seriously though, if you're going to learn c++ memorize those first 3 lines.

#include <iostream>

using namespace std;

int main ()
{

cout<< "Hello World"<<endl;
system("PAUSE");
return 0;

}
+1 2WL

Thanks for the well-thought-out, informative answers, y'all.

I realize I probably shouldn't have specified "software engineer" in the OP, that's a little more specific than I meant. The basic thrust of my questions is that it seems like popular perception of programming -- or really any work with computers -- is that if you're smart and resourceful enough you can teach yourself how to program well enough to get hired somewhere without formal experience. I'm sure a lot of that is just ignorance by Average Joe about how difficult and time-consuming the process really is, and since I'm interested but am myself ignorant Average Joe, thought I'd ask here where I know we've got some people working in IT.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Feb 14 UTC
Yes, I absolutely believe you could get a job in IT. But, personally I find that type of work miserable and you won't really be programming.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Feb 14 UTC
If you want a job in IT, like a System Admin, take a couple A+ certifications and you'll be good to go. This isn't engineering, though, although maybe that doesn't bother you.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
18 Feb 14 UTC
The self-taught engineers out there vary in ability, and some are very good at what they do, but they are vastly restricted in that they have specific skills in one or maybe a handful of programming languages and systems. They get very uncomfortable when working with different languages/systems than they're not used to though. This is fine for some jobs, but the best and most hire-able engineers have a solid understanding of the fundamentals of theoretical and practical computer science, which is what the CS classroom focuses on. I point you to a job description the company I work for uses to recruit engineers with said experience: http://www.wayfair.com/careers#job=oMOjXfwA.

The textbook knowledge behind computer science isn't 100% necessary to being a successful software/systems engineer, but it helps greatly. Note I am NOT talking about basic IT work, I am talking about actual programming.
As for why econ didn't work out -- the timing of my switch and a health issue messed me up when it came to getting internships (I switched in mid-spring 2012, so didn't know anything about economics to get an internship for that summer; and aforesaid nasty health issue sidelined me for two months in late spring/early summer 2013), and my grades aren't bad (3.2 GPA) but aren't good enough to carry me to a job. The only issue I had related to math was switching gears toward economics late enough that I didn't get to take more of it, I'm not worried at all about that. (also X's are hard to draw ;) )

I can probably do a 2-yr comp sci program at a community college if that'll be as substantial a help as it sounds like from talking to y'all. I doubt anything at a 4-yr university is realistically in the picture without loans I'm really hesitant to take. A 2-yr commitment to a less expensive institution might work.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
18 Feb 14 UTC
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I think the real question is whether you'll be doing this is in Virginia or in New Orleans.
Balrog (219 D)
18 Feb 14 UTC
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Apart from what Rollerfiend has suggested in his first reply, I would like to point out some things:
1) Use your Economics degree in a positive way to land a programming job. There are firms like Mu Sigma "http://www.mu-sigma.com/analytics/people/careers.html" ; which hire Economists as well as Programmers. So if you are having Economics degree and you also know a bit of coding then you are better than other applicant pool.
The plus point in this case is you dont have to have a SW related degree. Some certification course of coding + some cool project; and you are good to go.

2) Data analytics and/or decision making based firms would certainly require Economics+coding knowledge. And most of the CS/IT students dont know about Economics. Hence, you are at an advantage if you have an Economics+ a CS/IT degree (or at least knowledge of CS/IT demonstrated by projects)

I was in a hurry, so sorry for my badly framed answer.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
18 Feb 14 UTC
A 2 year basic degree in computer science coupled with an eager mind to keep learning on the job would set you up for most software positions. As Balrog said, using your economics degree can help greatly in the job search if you wish to look into data-analytics.
Mapu (362 D)
18 Feb 14 UTC
All of the above is crap with regard to C++ and the low-level stuff, especially for someone new to the field.

Get as good as you can at Javascript, node.js, and front-end development like AngularJS or the like. There are a ton of jobs in every major company.

And the degree is not as relevant as they are saying. I have come across a bunch of English majors and other majors who turn out to be very good programmers.
rollerfiend (0 DX)
18 Feb 14 UTC
Mapu, i'm guessing you work in CS and not CE/EE? C/C++ is pretty staple in software engineering, and ione of the few types of people that I can see hating on good ol' C/C++ is a CS person... :)
Mapu (362 D)
18 Feb 14 UTC
That is correct. lol

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redhouse1938 (429 D)
19 Feb 14 UTC
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What website do you use to make your life cheaper and easier?
So, I've discovered airbnb.com when I want sleep somewhere for a very modest prize, I've discovered blablacar.nl when I want to travel there (hitchhiker's site), marktplaats.nl for second hand items and so on and so on. What website do you use to make your life cheaper and easier?
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
19 Feb 14 UTC
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Bug?
Seen on another player's profile (UserID can be PMed if a mod or admin requests):
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rojimy1123 (597 D)
19 Feb 14 UTC
New Austria Needed
gameID=135330
New Austria needed. In build phase after 1901.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
19 Feb 14 UTC
Isn't it time we stop the discrimination?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6zrNPvAMWA
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SYnapse (0 DX)
19 Feb 14 UTC
Ukraine has gone into civil disorder
As title
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krellin (80 DX)
19 Feb 14 UTC
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Locked Per Creator's Request
But this denies the creation it's free will, and implies we are simply automatons, and thus all love is an illusion.

Free Jamiet99UK!!! Free Jamiet99UK!!! Free Jamiet99UK!!!
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arborinius (173 D)
18 Feb 14 UTC
How does the ranking system work?
When new members join Web Dip they are ranked as "Political Puppets". Then as more points are gained the rank changes. I'm wondering what the different ranks are and how the system works.
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Octavious (2701 D)
18 Feb 14 UTC
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Good News, Everyone!
Greece now holds the EU Presidency until June, when Italy takes over. Without doubt an unprecedented period of stability and competence awaits.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
10 Feb 14 UTC
Well HELLO medal table
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/olympics/sochi-2014/medals/

Who's ya daddy?
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
15 Feb 14 UTC
Build your own Dream Team.
Here's the Team Canada roster. I need four forward lines, three defense pairings, and two goalies.
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ezra willis (305 D)
19 Feb 14 UTC
First time as Russia
This is my first time as Russia in modern diplomacy 2 and any tips or advise would be helpful thanks. :)
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KingCyrus (511 D)
19 Feb 14 UTC
Question...
Why would someone be banned from a game? Specifically?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
18 Feb 14 UTC
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China
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/national/Policeman-sentenced-to-death-for-fatal-shooting/shdaily.shtml

Here in 'Murica, you get paid leave...
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
19 Feb 14 UTC
There are Trolls and there are LOL's
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
19 Feb 14 UTC
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3 In 4 Americans Thinks The Earth Goes Around The Sun, Survey Says
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/14/277058739/1-in-4-americans-think-the-sun-goes-around-the-earth-survey-says

I thought last week's survey was bad, but this is just ridiculous.
What are you THINKING, Americans? Damn, libtards.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
18 Feb 14 UTC
What's the point of anything?
This.
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Octavious (2701 D)
16 Feb 14 UTC
Scotland Joining the EU "Extremely Difficult, if not Impossible"
European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso tells Scots that voting to leave the UK would open up a new world of EU pain with potentially disastrous consequences, before adding that he did not want to interfere.
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Sevyas (973 D)
22 Jan 14 UTC
"Mini-tournament" of 7 games for 7 players
Details inside
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ssorenn (0 DX)
18 Feb 14 UTC
Bitcoin --the slide continues
Chart of the Day: Bitcoin's rapid plunge http://www.cnbc.com/id/101423067
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President Eden (2750 D)
17 Feb 14 UTC
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Damn those Koch-driven Republicans and their donor machine!
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

It's shocking how one-sided political donations are in the US.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 Feb 14 UTC
Can We Get Bipartisan Agreement Here This Is Isanity?
http://news.yahoo.com/kansas-bill-gay-same-sex-segregation-210533466.html "Gay rights advocates are outraged over a bill — passed by Kansas lawmakers earlier this week — that would allow businesses and state government employees to deny services to same-sex couples if “it would be contrary to their sincerely held religious beliefs.” ...Well, we can't get bipartisan agreement here over everything (just like Congress!) but come on...that's unethical, plain and simple!
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Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Feb 14 UTC
All I can say is... WTF?
http://www.guns.com/2014/02/16/mo-couple-faces-assault-charges-shooting-fast-food-worker-nerf-gun-video/

I now open the floor to the peanut gallery.
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