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Vampiero (3525 D)
31 Jan 14 UTC
Quick question
If I go LAN to clc in world diplomacy supported by ban n the other player goes wch to LAN supported by clc do I have to go to LAN with a supported army or not if I take clc n do not wanna lose lan
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krellin (80 DX)
31 Jan 14 UTC
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Sniff In the Bathroom Stall...
...and other forms of "alert". Yeah, so I entered the john and heard the inevitable "sniff" from the far (and favored) stall - the, "I'm in here...stay away" sniff to a fellow shitter.

Two questions: What is your preferred form of "alert" to fellow man, and what is your preferred stall?
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Theodosius (232 D(S))
30 Jan 14 UTC
New political party
If a new political party was formed, what would want it to stand for or do?
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Theodosius (232 D(S))
30 Jan 14 UTC
Don't criticize other's obvious idiotic posts, although you could built on them, just post your own obviously intelligent and well-thought out ideas.
Rather than jumping on the left or right wing bandwagon, how about policies or different ways of governing?
Theodosius (232 D(S))
30 Jan 14 UTC
Here's a few to start out:

An ISO-like standard for governments, judges, and the like that would define how decisions are made, documenting them, and having public audits to show deficiencies?

Having the reason and proof that a law was made be a part of the law, so that it could be challenged in court (after the challenge passed a sanity test) if someone could provide proof that there was a better way. Ditto for budgets. The key point here would be fact and evidence-based decisions that could convince a judge, not spin. There should be a burden of proof, which would lead to more research and better decisions. It would also lead to fewer laws.

When corporations, politicians, and governments give public statements, they need to give proof and full discosure. Failing to do so or lying would mean jail time...

If there isn't sufficient proof that a policy or budget item is best practice, then it can be looked at by an auditor to see if it was used for gaining votes. If it doesn't pass the sniff test, out goes the politician.
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
30 Jan 14 UTC
I would love a real Conservative Party. The Libertarian party is ok, but has some issues I don't like.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
30 Jan 14 UTC
Aren't new parties formed on an almost daily basis...?
Invictus (240 D)
30 Jan 14 UTC
New parties happen all the time. Assuming you're talking about America, a serious third party is impossible due to our first-past-the-post (winner-take-all) voting system.
Theodosius (232 D(S))
31 Jan 14 UTC
Canada, actually.
Canada has a first-past-the-post system. Third-place parties can and do have an influence, but fourth place is practically impossible to get anywhere. There isn't as much of a strong Republican-Democrat type of party control here, so there is a little more flexibility.
How about posting your favourite alternative voting system?
Theodosius (232 D(S))
31 Jan 14 UTC
Yes, I know that political parties form all the time, but what would make you pay attention to one?
mendax (321 D)
31 Jan 14 UTC
STV is my preferred system.

In the UK the constituencies that minor parties can occasionally get an MP in areas with unusual cultural makeup (e.g. Green Party in Brighton), but it's pretty much dominated by the big 3, with Labour and the Conservatives being by far the biggest.
Invictus (240 D)
31 Jan 14 UTC
"Canada has a first-past-the-post system. Third-place parties can and do have an influence, but fourth place is practically impossible to get anywhere."

Each riding would be a localized two-party contest. For example, there are places where an NDP voter goes Liberal to keep out the Conservative since his preferred candidate cannot possibly win.

And at any rate, the United States doesn't have the parliamentary system so the comparison is not terribly apt. We have popular primaries to determine who the candidates in general elections will be rather than having them be selected as in those systems. In, for example, Rhode Island, it makes much more sense for a more liberal politician to run in the primary for the Democratic nomination than to start up his own party and possibly split the vote. It's easier to do and makes it more likely for him to win. Sophisticated politicians realize this and that's why third-parties are dominated by, frankly, crazy people.
Theodosius (232 D(S))
31 Jan 14 UTC
Single Transferable Vote does look good, although it would be complicated in Canada with hand-counted ballots. Still, the real problem is getting it past the two main parties, who would not benefit from it.

I expect in Canada it would change the politics a lot, say, two conservative, one liberal, one socialist, and one green party, each with fair support.
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Jan 14 UTC
I do not get why people want fragmented party systems. It's not as if you're going to be able to implement your ideologically pure agenda with your small ideologically pure party. You only get to power through coalitions.

Anyway, my preferred system is a one-party state with no bourgeois parties. But barring that, I like the British parliamentary system of first past the post, minus the existence of the Lib-Dems.
Invictus (240 D)
31 Jan 14 UTC
Surely a one-party state might as well be a no-party state. The state and party blur together considerably if history is any guide
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Jan 14 UTC
There are such things as no-party states and they look much different, structurally.
Invictus (240 D)
31 Jan 14 UTC
I'm not referring to places lacking political parties where all the politicians are independents, but rather ones where the state and party are so intertwined it's just people wearing multiple hats. A paramount ruler in a communist country was also the head of the communist party in most situations. Same for one-party non-communist regimes, like Zaire.

It just strikes me that, absent an electoral or other political contest, the reason for a party structure vanishes. The party becomes just another appendage of the government, with success in one tied to success in the other. The party is superfluous if it controls the entirety of the state.
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Feb 14 UTC
On the contrary, I think that in countries were parties only purpose is to run campaigns, these organizations aren't really parties in the proper sense, especially if candidates are able to raise money independently of the party. "Parties" are more or less ad hoc fundraising committees with very little popular participation. That's why most people who claim they are Democrats or Republicans do very little other than vote, or at most, donate some money. Parties, imo, are conduits for grassroots mobilization. They were, at one point, social clubs as well as political organizations.

In a one-party state, there was a typically a different command structure than the ordinary hierarchy of the state. Through party rules, party officials could resolve many problems through local government, even though many of the institutions formally were not under the control of local government. But because they were led by party members, these individuals were subject to the discipline of local party organs. Indeed the CPSU relied on local and regional party organs to coordinate the economic system even though the local and regional governments didn't have this authority, per se.

Also the party system created a demanding civil service qualification system where only the most qualified, hardest working civil servants who had worked for a decade or two were admitted into the party. In this way also the state could ensure ideological correctness and competence among its managers and administrators.
Invictus (240 D)
01 Feb 14 UTC
Then we're using the same word for two different types of organizations.
tendmote (100 D(B))
01 Feb 14 UTC
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It should stand for expiration dates on laws. Laws remain in effect only if they are explicitly renewed. Only the Constitution remains permanent.
tendmote (100 D(B))
01 Feb 14 UTC
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@Putin33

"In this way also the state could ensure ideological correctness"

That is nightmarish.
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Feb 14 UTC
Expiration date on laws? Because the perpetual state of crisis caused by expiration of laws is something to look forward to.
tendmote (100 D(B))
01 Feb 14 UTC
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There are too many laws on the books making criminals of ordinary people. A lot of them remain only because of inertia. The law should be made self-cleaning.
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Feb 14 UTC
You have an inflated sense of congressional efficiency.
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Feb 14 UTC
Either that or you're hoping for a state of absolute lawlessness, I can't tell which.
tendmote (100 D(B))
01 Feb 14 UTC
Every session, Congress meets, invariably promising to do something. If it's all additive, there's no end to the cruft that accumulates. If they had a baseline for doing something that simply preserves the status quo, by renewing some existing and acceptable laws, that keeps a lid on the cruft, and provides an attainable goal for your congressional representative. Better than making up some bullshit and having it sitting on the books forever, on top of all the other bullshit.
Invictus (240 D)
01 Feb 14 UTC
Congress would be more careful in writing laws if they had to do it over and over. And, from a perspective a lefty like you would like, all laws having sunsets would discourage lobbying, since even the most complete win is only temporary.
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Feb 14 UTC
Most laws contain sunset provisions already. It's a recipe for gridlock and recurring crises. Congressmen aren't more careful they just punt important decisions to later dates. It doesn't discourage lobbying any more than recurring 2 year elections discourages campaign spending. People need consistency in policy not chronic instability. How does this make sense after looking at the annual budget debacles?
Theodosius (232 D(S))
01 Feb 14 UTC
A one party state, like a monarchy, can be very effective in getting things done, and done quickly, provided it doesn't get so conservative and ingrown that change is repressed, or corruption doesn't dominate the system. Regrettably, there is little to stand in the way of that in a one-party system.

I like the idea of expiry date on laws, except that politicians would be doing little but spending their time re-voting in the various parts and amendments to the criminal code, much less getting anything new done. Having a stated reason why a law is in place allows the law to be challenged when the reason no longer exists.
semck83 (229 D(B))
01 Feb 14 UTC
"Republicans are threatening that if ObamaCare is not repealed this week, terrorism will no longer be a federal crime."
tendmote (100 D(B))
01 Feb 14 UTC
@semck83 Ideally ObamaCare would be repealed *and* terrorism would no longer be a federal crime. (Murder should still remain murder of course.)
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Feb 14 UTC
That's to provide cover for themselves, since the lot of them are terrorists.
semck83 (229 D(B))
01 Feb 14 UTC
Murder is typically a state, not federal crime, tendmote.

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samsungdsdi (0 DX)
01 Feb 14 UTC
Rechargeable Batteries
The cylindrical rechargeable batteries are the most energy efficient batteries for portable electronics, with one of the best energy densities and a slow loss of charge when not in use.
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King Atom (100 D)
27 Jan 14 UTC
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How to Deal With Heartbreak...
So yeah, it's been a while, and I'm probably looking a lot like Conservative Man with this post, but I just went through an awful breakup and I need some help. I've never really had a father figure and I know this is pathetic, but this is the only place I've found good advice that I haven't had to figure out on my own...
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
28 Jan 14 UTC
Make a ten song playlist from your phone.
Just pick ten random songs and tell...
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ILN (100 D)
30 Jan 14 UTC
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Police will soon be able to shut your car engine off
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10605328/EU-has-secret-plan-for-police-to-remote-stop-cars.html

Kind of worrying. No one should have the authority to control your property like that.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Jan 14 UTC
Yup, that Obama he's a socialist (you idiot, you)
Here's what an ACTUAL socialist has to say to him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh7LBtrBq1g#t=48
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
30 Jan 14 UTC
Live Gunboat Group
See next post.
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tendmote (100 D(B))
31 Jan 14 UTC
Genetic Engineering for monkeys, *by* monkeys?
People worry about technology taking over the planet. But now we've got cut-and-paste monkey DNA. If they make this easy enough for the monkeys to do themselves, we might find that they're not squeamish about global domination via genetically engineered super monkeys. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/30/genetically-modified-monkeys-cut-and-paste-dna-alzheimers-parkinsons
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dirge (768 D(B))
31 Jan 14 UTC
and why did you jerk offs let the daily quote thread die?
Are you going to let the last post wins thread die too?
What the F is happening to this place?
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dirge (768 D(B))
31 Jan 14 UTC
ancient med anon
just need one more

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=134698
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tendmote (100 D(B))
26 Jan 14 UTC
Scientific basis for communism
I can't find any evidence of a scientific basis for communism. Is it the case that communism requires historical determinism to be true though? Communism only seems to consider "false consciousness", a view that history is static, "class consciousness", a view that history is dynamic and deterministic, but makes no room for history being dynamic and unpredictable.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
30 Jan 14 UTC
Just a reminder from the Moderator Team
If you suspect someone in your game is not playing fairly please do not hesitate to send an email to [email protected].
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dirge (768 D(B))
31 Jan 14 UTC
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Allen Calhamer Day
Allen Calhamer died a year ago on Feb. 25.
I move we honor him with a day of forum silence every Fab. 25th.
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ckroberts (3548 D)
29 Jan 14 UTC
Snowpocalypse
The weather made things pretty rough down here in the Deep South.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
31 Jan 14 UTC
Joe Buck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YrktlQMsc0

Scripted? Maybe. Accurate? YES.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
30 Jan 14 UTC
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Ann Coulter Strikes Again! (And Boy Oh Boy Oh BOY...)
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-crafts-plan-wreck-country-lose-voters-230115398.html "It's terrific for ethnic lobbyists whose political clout will skyrocket the more foreign-born Americans we have...And it's fantastic for the Democrats...so they can completely destroy the last remnants of what was once known as "the land of the free." The only ones opposed to our current immigration policies are the people." ...Ah...who DOESN'T love some xenophobic immigrant-bashing? >:(
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Balrog (219 D)
29 Jan 14 UTC
Nationalities of Players
Being a Statistics and Data analytics student, I would like to know the nationalities of different players, if its alright.

Just write down your country's name.
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Vaddix (100 D)
25 Jan 14 UTC
So dudes... what other strategy games you do play?
So yeah, what other strat games you play?
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ILN (100 D)
30 Jan 14 UTC
Bitcloud
https://github.com/wetube/bitcloud/blob/master/Bitcloud%20Nontechnical%20White%20Paper.md
For non technical version, and,
https://github.com/wetube/bitcloud/blob/master/bitcloud.org
For technical version.
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krellin (80 DX)
30 Jan 14 UTC
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Fidelity Balls
Ahhh...I'm sure this is some government research dollars well spent.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/10603957/Large-testicles-mean-greater-infidelity-research-finds.html

Please give us your testicle size, and explain how faithful you are to your partner for our own survey purposes...
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Boldvaman (1121 D)
30 Jan 14 UTC
Zwanzig Zentimeter
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=134731
Come on!
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hecks (164 D)
30 Jan 14 UTC
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Poor Corporate Branding
In this day of big-brother data-collection concerns, why in god's name would you brand your marketing company with this name?
http://www.nsamedia.com/
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
30 Jan 14 UTC
Any thoughts on this?
http://www.avaaz.org/en/internet_apocalypse_pa_eu/?bHLqhab&v=34956

Net neutrality.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Jan 14 UTC
Clash of the Trash-Talking, Sack-Master Titans! Sapp vs. Strahan!
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24423687/michael-strahan-warren-sapp-engage-in-hall-of-fame-tiff Forget all that extraneous nonsense we debate every day! I mean, who cares about that silly State of the Union? Who cares about Israel vs. Palestine and the US vs. Russia? Who cares if God exists? THIS is the great debate of our time, guys (good for me, as I blew it in the real Great Debate.) ;) So...Sapp vs. Strahan...WHO YA GOT IN THIS FIGHT?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Jan 14 UTC
V-Day
I'm thinking about doing something different for Valentine's Day - no jewelry, no crappy yet expensive food, just something fun and special. Does anyone have a cool idea? I'm not really on a tight budget but let's just say a glass castle under the stars in the Swiss Alps is not an option.
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swimmancer (0 DX)
28 Jan 14 UTC
Maltese and Beta-gaming
To Whom It May Concern,

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mapleleaf (0 DX)
29 Jan 14 UTC
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food for thought(errrr ridicule)
http://truth-out.org/art/item/21523-a-typical-day
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THEGREATEST (0 DX)
30 Jan 14 UTC
HOLD ON...
ARE THE MODS SUPPRESSING SPEEEACH? HERE?
WAHT ABOUUT THE 1ND AMMMENDMANT?
CF 'IS THERE ANYWAY...'
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