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G1 (92 D)
29 Apr 13 UTC
Phase Lengths
So there are a bunch of game phase lengths in the range from 30 minutes to 4 hours. Why would anyone ever want to play a game that made them wake up every hour for (potentially) weeks? Has anyone ever used those phase lengths?
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yaks (218 D)
28 Apr 13 UTC
EoG Cheaper
BRITAIN WTF WAS THAT!
all you had to do was support hold and we had him totally stalemated. Instead you try for some weird support move that has a 0% chance of working.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
28 Apr 13 UTC
REPLACEMENT NEEDED
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hellalt (70 D)
28 Apr 13 UTC
hellalt does it in NY
This Monday I ll be in NY for about a week.
If you want your ass kicked live by the legend of webdiplomacy (the Chuck Norris diplomacy equivalent) drop me a msg.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
28 Apr 13 UTC
Good Open Position
gameID=114791

10 center Russia, good position, chance at a solo or two-way finish with some diplomacy.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
27 Apr 13 UTC
The ridiculous things in life
Please post stories, images, or whatever of some of the most ridiculous things in life. I would love to be able to actually laugh out loud or +1 some of the posts down below.
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
28 Apr 13 UTC
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Words that are easy to say but hard to live by
I think we all have principles that we believe in that we have trouble following. Here's one of mine--These words from Paul's letter to the Christians in Philippi are close to 2000 years old and still carry tremendous meaning: Philippians 4:6-7. What are yours?
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idealist (680 D)
28 Apr 13 UTC
Classic, WTA game, anyone?
anyone interested in a classic, WTA, anon game? I'm flexible on the pot size. I'd prefer 1 day 12 hrs as phase length
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josunice (3702 D(S))
26 Apr 13 UTC
Should We Feel bad for Refusing to Draw Out for 10 years?
gameID=111449 I bought in high, and flubbed a solo run. Once stalemate lines were drawn, I just couldn't live with Germany getting a piece of the draw. However, though I retreated in 1913, England England refused to execute him... I understand loyalty, but I refused to end the game. Germany CD'ed in 1925 making both of our stands on principle moot.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
28 Apr 13 UTC
A Request for a Generous Mod
Hello,

I have a request for a trustworthy individual. Draugnar will have to agree to the individual (and to participate in this). It will take probably over an hour or more of your time, but the site will make $100.
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CommanderCurt (225 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Live Game
Hey all,
We're setting up a live European Game. If you feel like playing a quick game please join!
Thanks...
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Andraste (178 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
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Minor bug
Several times in a game of mine, in the list of players at the bottom, it has shown that France is muted when I never muted France. I believe it has only happened when I've been in Russia's messages. When I switch to a different country's messages, it goes away, and doesn't come back when I switch back to Russia's. It's possible that it only happened when I'm first viewing the game after a new turn has began, but I'm not sure.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Shameless Point Grubbing Game
As per below

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blankflag (0 DX)
23 Apr 13 UTC
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at what point did the nobel peace prize lose all credibility?
i dont know about the corporate media but the peace prize has absolutely no credibility in the independent media. so which of these really made it into the joke it now is?
1. when kissinger got it
2. when al gore got it
3. when obama got it.
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spyman (424 D(G))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Another little puzzle
Some of you may know this one. But if not state your answer, initially without an explanation, so that other may have a chance to come up with their own answer
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spyman (424 D(G))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Imagine four cards in front of you. Each has a letter on one side and a number on the other side. Two of these cars a shown with the letter side up, and two with the number side up.

| E | | C | | 5 | | 4 |

Indicate which of these cards you have to turn over in order to determine whether the following claim is true:

"If a card has a vowel on one side, then it has an odd number on the other side."
Linearts (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Flip over this one: |4|
philcore (317 D(S))
27 Apr 13 UTC
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Since any one of them can prove the rule wrong, then you have to turn them all over to prove it right.

Unless your missing some assumptions.
philcore (317 D(S))
27 Apr 13 UTC
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Ah wait ... Haha, tricky. I like it, the only part of the question that matters is "if its a vowel" you only have to turn over the E card.
spyman (424 D(G))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Let's save the explanation for now. I would be interested to see if there are any other answers (I going to withhold if anyone is right or wrong for now). Once we have had a few more answer we'll discuss.
philcore (317 D(S))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Wait again, if the 4 has a vowel, then it disproved the rule, so you have to flip it as well. So flip both 4 and E
philcore (317 D(S))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Oh, ok. Sorry. Obviously my explanations are even confusing me though, so hopefully I'm not giving anything away. :-)
Linearts (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Yeah, philcore. After thinking about it more, I don't see how either of E and 4 can be left unflipped and you are still certain the rule is correct.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
|E| and |4|.
Linearts (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Waaiiit... maybe we want to flip neither of E and 4? That must be it. He wants us to DISprove the rule, not verify it.
AlexNesta (239 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
E 4
Linearts (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Oh, I misread the question. I thought it was asking "which is the one card you can flip over to verify or refute the claim", but I don't think you can do it with one card. So yes, the answer is flip E and 4.
MeepMeep (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
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I would turn the cars [E] and [4] up. The cars [C] and [5] are irrelevant.

Car [5] is only relevant for the case:
""If and ONLY IF a card has a vowel on one side, then it has an odd number on the other side."
Maniac (184 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Are they on a glass table? Or is there another way of determining what is on the reverse without flipping them?
spyman (424 D(G))
27 Apr 13 UTC
No they are not on a glass table. Lol.
spyman (424 D(G))
27 Apr 13 UTC
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It is of course cards E and 4.
This test, which is very famous, is called the Wason Selection task. The key is to attempt to disprove the hypothesis by turning over the 4 card (if there is a vowel the statement must be false) rather than confirm the hypothesis (by turning over the 5 to see if there is a vowel).
When this test was first put to university students 90% got it wrong (and this has been replicated many times). The answer most people are immediately drawn to is turn over cards E and 5. This illustrates the human tendency towards confirmation bias.
Mintyboy4 (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
I feel nervous about my answers as I'm the first person to give it :P

E, 5, 4

I hope I haven't made a horrific embarrassing mistake :P But It seems to make sense to me at least.
Mintyboy4 (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Okay, the answer has been posted but I still don't see why 5 is incorrect.

"If a card has a vowel on one side, then it has an odd number on the other side."

5 is odd, on the other side it could have A or B. A would confirm, B would prove wrong the hypothesis. So Surely you have to flip it over?

''disprove the hypothesis by turning over the 4 card (if there is a vowel the statement must be false) rather than confirm the hypothesis (by turning over the 5 to see if there is a vowel).''

But doesn't turning over 5 also mean potentially disproving the hypothesis if there is an B there for example.
gnuvag (621 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
I'm going with E, 5 and 4 too - you need to check all three to verify the statement - C is the only one that is irrelevant.
gnuvag (621 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
...er... 10 minutes after the answer was posted!
Mintyboy4 (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
E and 4 Are obvious. I got those instantly

C is irrelevant as it isn't odd, so it can have whatever the hell it likes and it doesn't matter. Can anyone please explain in detail while I go have a shower. Thanks :)

Well I fit into the 90% of students who got it wrong, so at least I don't feel to bad, but I still want to know why I'm wrong.
gnuvag (621 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Fat lot of good all those years studying logic at university did me. Sigh.
spyman (424 D(G))
27 Apr 13 UTC
People want to turn over the vowel card to see if there is an odd number... so far so good. Then it seems natural to turn over the odd number, card 5, to see if there is a vowel, which would appear to confirm the proposition. But in fact if there were a consonant instead, this does not actually invalidate the proposition. Likewise with card C... the proposition makes no comments about consonants, thus it is irrelevant. But card 4 if there is a vowel on the other side then the proposition must be false.
Hence the two cards needed are E and 4.
Mintyboy4 (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Okay but we have no idea what the other cards have, and surely they are relevant.

"If a card has a vowel on one side, then it has an odd number on the other side."

As we have no idea what's on the other side of the cards, they can be anything so I will layout a plausible scenario.

We have

E
C
5
4

You turn over E and 4

E1
C
5
4B

You think great it's true then.
E has a vowel on one side, and an odd on the other. = Fit
4 Is an even, B is a consonant. This makes it irrelevant to the statement

"If a card has a vowel on one side, then it has an odd number on the other side."

As it has neither a vowel or an odd number on the other side it seems that the statement is true. But you can't yet assume that the statement is true. just by turning over those 2 cards, You need more information

You decide to turn over the rest of the cards just for arguments sake and they end up being

E1
C6
5 D
4B

The statement is no longer true, While A confirms the statement, C and 4 Are irrelevant, 5 now proves it wrong. As on the other side of the odd, the is a consonant not a vowel.

So after initially turning over 2 cards you could say with the information you had that the statement is true, but by turning over the rest it got proven false. As stated earlier, C is just irrelevant, Simply turning over 5 would have proved this. As this is an entirely plausible scenario, how is the answer E, 5, 4 Incorrect considering this could easily be the scenario, and by simply turning over E and 4 you wouldn't of had enough information.

I don't mind being wrong, I just don't see how I am... And that does annoy me.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Mintyboy, after your shower, please explain "C is irrelevant as it isn't odd" ?
Fairfax (1915 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Tip for you Mintyboy:
"If A then B" =/= "if B then A"
Draugnar (0 DX)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Minty - The statement is in effect "all vowels are odd" not "all odd numbers are vowels". So as long as the one even number shows a consonant and the one vowel shows an odd number, the statement stands as true for the limited set in question. it does *not* however prove it definitevely because there may be an even vowel in the unexplored part of the deck.
Mintyboy4 (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
@Mujus - Wow yeah, that was just me not having woken up yet properly.

@Draug - "If a card has a vowel on one side, then it has an odd number on the other side."

But surely this then means this applies to all cards, not just necessarily to the 4 cards on the table. The cards on the table are just a sample. If it would say, 'If a card on the table has a vowel on one side, then it has an odd number on the other side." This would be a different question. But for now there is nothing stopping me from assuming it applies to all cards, and as there are many unchecked cards, it's impossibly to determine whether the statement is true of false just by turning over two.
And as you said ''it does *not* however prove it definitevely because there may be an even vowel in the unexplored part of the deck. ''
My point precisely, we don't have enough information. The statement isn't specific enough to the 4 cards on the table. So by turning over the cards E and 4, we can't determine if for all cards.

Also for the point ''The statement is in effect "all vowels are odd" not "all odd numbers are vowels"

What's the difference? If I would say 1+2=3 How is this different to saying 3=2+1
It's exactly the same information just in another format. It shouldn't effect the question.
spyman (424 D(G))
27 Apr 13 UTC
What other cards? The scenario only mentions four cards.
Fairfax (1915 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
You don't understand basic statement logic. "All dogs are animals" isn't the same information as "All animals are dogs".

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jimgov (219 D(B))
21 Apr 13 UTC
I can't wait to find out who these morons are
More to come.
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KingJohnII (1575 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Players needed for world war game please
Should be fun if we can fill it. Called All Welcome 9, gameID=115336
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taos (281 D)
23 Apr 13 UTC
9 tons of diplomacy
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
25 Apr 13 UTC
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Site-wide study: IQ, personality, and GR
Details inside.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
25 Apr 13 UTC
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I JUST GOT A PM ENVELOPE
I JUST GOT A PM ENVELOPE
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
26 Apr 13 UTC
NFL Draft
Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Dion Jordan, Lane Johnson, Ziggy Ansah.. who is next?
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SYnapse (0 DX)
25 Apr 13 UTC
Paper
I was thinking we should write a short article about the Diplomacy game and what messages (if any) it has about human behaviour.
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2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
26 Apr 13 UTC
G+ Hangout game tonight?
Any interest?
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JesusPetry (258 D)
25 Apr 13 UTC
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The new "Notes" tab...
...is pretty cool. Thanks, Kestas!
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josunice (3702 D(S))
26 Apr 13 UTC
Re: Gunboat Opportunity Missed to Thin the Draw...
gameID=111177 Case Study in thinning the draw for Gunboat - 5-way draw should have been 3... Communication without talking is not hard in a Gunboat end game...
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Mintyboy4 (100 D)
26 Apr 13 UTC
Ancient Med Stats?
Does anybody have any win/ draw stats for ancient med games? I know it's quite a balanced map but does any country fare notably better or worse than the others, such as can be seen with Italy in Classic, and South Africa in World etc.
Just by looking at the map I feel like Greece and Egypt might be worst off, despite my only ever solo on this site coming from Greece.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
25 Apr 13 UTC
just in case you're home alone and bored check dem out.....irie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vsYFEo4GPg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfTC2o05OEw
enjoy :-) (no emoticons grrrr !!)
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Maniac (184 D(B))
24 Apr 13 UTC
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At Last!
Cricket has been played in England since forever (well around 16th Century) and today is the first time a professional English batsman has hit six sixes in an over. Wow, just wow.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
24 Apr 13 UTC
The voice of reason in the Syrian conflict......
...... whilst the Europeans and the Israelis are chomping at the bit to increase military activity in Syria the U.S.A. is resisting growing calls for military involvement.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
25 Apr 13 UTC
Alderian for the next mod!
Aldy has done so much for this site, code wise, I think he has to be the most trustworthy of all our members, right up there with Kestas. I know the mdos and admins don't use popularity in their decision, but maybe they could add his name to consideration next time around.
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