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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
02 May 13 UTC
*Spoiler* the movie Lincoln
See inside
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fridaay (0 DX)
01 May 13 UTC
ADVERTISE YOUR NON-LIVE GAMES HERE
Utilize this threat by posting new games which are NOT live, here and only here.
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
02 May 13 UTC
Consolation stab EOG
After the sour taste of defeat of the Gunboat tournament, a group of tough survivors decided to have another taste (and seem to have ended up having more fun than the others).
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
02 May 13 UTC
On Game Conduct
As per below
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
02 May 13 UTC
TIM TEBOW - MEMOIRS OF A CFL CAREER
Written in the year 2024
http://www.sbnation.com/2013/5/1/4282368/tim-tebow-cfl
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
30 Apr 13 UTC
The Masters Rounds 3 and 4
Lots of updates in this thread. Most importantly though, we need subs!
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Draugnar (0 DX)
30 Apr 13 UTC
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An offer to Kestas...
Kestas, oh great and mighty!

If you will strip Nigee's coin/badge from him (and him alone) I will contribute an amount equal to 150% of what he has contributed to the site.
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josunice (3702 D(S))
01 May 13 UTC
Why do users display "Available Points" instead of "Total Points"?
For what the points mean or don't mean, seeing and ranking by total points is more informative that the current display of available points, no?
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JackWangHasNoFace (0 DX)
01 May 13 UTC
Come Play this Game
.gameID=116646 Gunboat classic, bet of 30. Game starts in two hours!
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JackWangHasNoFace (0 DX)
01 May 13 UTC
Awesome Game
gameID=116646 Gunboat classic, bet of 30. Game starts in two hours!
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
01 May 13 UTC
I Muted HumanWave... What'd He Say?
Tired of him putting people with opinions like mine and plenty of others here under the bus because he throws around so many unsubstantiated claims. Hope he's gotten better, but hey, please enlighten me... is it worth looking at again?
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AncientMemories (635 D)
29 Apr 13 UTC
Questions
Hey everyone, I'm back (somewhat, i still have finals so can't get too involved till after them, but I'm feeling better so I'm mostly back) and thought I'd say high. Also, some questions
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podium (498 D)
29 Apr 13 UTC
Internet satellite tv /live streaming
Does anyone here use any of these services.If so which sites/programs work best.Interested in catching up on some shows that I've missed lately and want to watch older episodes.Also live sports tired of being forced to choose to watching only a few games at a time on cable.Would like to have wider selection of games to pick from.
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Tasnica (3366 D)
29 Apr 13 UTC
Around the World Gunboat Tournament EoG, Game 12
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
30 Apr 13 UTC
Fancy a beer.....
...... if you're in downtown Vegas at the weekend and fancy a beer I'm buying.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
28 Apr 13 UTC
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Gold Silver Bronze badges
Isn't it about time we got rid of these as they are making some people feel uncomfortable ........
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hecks (164 D)
30 Apr 13 UTC
Player Needed for German Takeover
Autumn, 1902. Well-positioned Germany with existing alliances in place. 5 centers with a build coming. 20 D buyin. gameID=115893
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Apr 13 UTC
NHL PLAYOFF PREDICTIONS
Now that the playoffs have begun time to make our predictions as to who will win and who will lose.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Apr 13 UTC
What the heck?!
Three or four times this morning I have posted to a opened up thread and my posting has gone to a different one. What the heck is going on with the forum?
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SplitDiplomat (101466 D)
23 Apr 13 UTC
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Why the mods are being selective?
Why they take actions against a player who breaks a rule and don't take actions against a player who breaks the same rule as the other one? What's the point of the rules then?
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ReBrock (189 D)
30 Apr 13 UTC
Master of War 3rd edition!
Hi guys, I want to invite you all to the 3rd edition of Mastet of War!
gameID=116554
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
30 Apr 13 UTC
Question for Econ Majors
I had an idea today that I might use for my senior thesis next year, and I just wanted to air it out and get some initial criticism.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
29 Apr 13 UTC
Anyone made a wikipedia article?
I'm trying to contribute to humanity with the following:
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semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
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A Question
Some of you have probably heard this before. For you, please don't answer or otherwise respond in the first 22 posts.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC

Suppose you know ONLY the following two facts about Mr. Jones and his family:

a) He has two children.
b) At least one of them is a boy.

Assuming equal sex distribution in society, what is the probability that the second one is a boy?
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
75%
Mujus (1495 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Well Semck, let's be specific here. In b), you state that at least one is a boy, but the question asks about "the second one." So let's specify whether "the second one" means the other child (not the one that we know is a boy), or the second in birth order. :-)
Alderian (2425 D(S))
27 Apr 13 UTC
I'm going with (n-1)/2n where n is the size of the population. Approximately 50% for non-small values of n.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Ah, good point Mujus. Tricking someone by being ambiguous isn't particularly clever IMHO, but I'll admit that I missed the ambiguity.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Excellent question, Mujus. "The second one" means "the one we don't know," i.e., "the other one." In fact, it's a sufficiently important point that I should rewrite the question:

Suppose you know ONLY the following two facts about Mr. Jones and his family:

a) He has two children.
b) At least one of them is a boy.

Assuming equal sex distribution in society, what is the probability that the other one is a boy?
Alderian (2425 D(S))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Okay, then I stick with my original answer.
Draugnar (0 DX)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Each child is independent of the other like coin tosses. So baring a genetic predisposition towards one sex or the other, 50/50.
Linearts (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
This question is a classic, I've heard it before several times and it's still so interesting every time anyone brings it up.

Spoiler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_or_Girl_paradox

Anyway, the answer depends on how you interpret the problem, but there's no way to argue the probability that the other is a boy is greater than 50%.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Linearts, I would have preferred you not post a link to the solution -- there's a reason I asked people not to post if they knew the answer. : ) Please don't read before you've discussed it among yourselves, people.
Linearts (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
I posted a *link* to the solution, not the solution itself. If you want to solve it yourself, you're free not to check the link.
Linearts (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Oh, crap. No, you're right, sorry. I got the "please don't post the answer" part but missed "please don't answer *or otherwise respond* in the first 22 posts" D=
Mintyboy4 (100 D)
27 Apr 13 UTC
The way I see it this is the key sentence ''Assuming equal sex distribution in society, what is the probability that the other one is a boy?'' This means that A) the fact that he has two children is an irrelevant factor as they presumably make up a tiny proportion of society. Same applies for B, it doesn't matter that one is a boy, this how no influence on the sex of the other child.

So unless I have completely missed something I would assume the probability that the other is a boy is simply 0.500. As the facts stated are irrelevant.
spyman (424 D(G))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Suppose you know ONLY the following two facts about Mr. Jones and his family:

a) He has two children.
b) At least one of them is a boy.

Should this question be rephrased?

Assuming equal sex distribution in society, what is the probability that "Mr Jones has two boys". This is different question than the one posed by the OP.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
I disagree, spyman. Given the hypotheses (a) and (b), the statement "the other one is a boy" is logically equivalent to "Mr. Jones has two boys." Therefore, of necessity their probabilities are the same.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Let's say that the size of the population is 100 and there is an even distribution of gender. 50 boys and 50 girls. We know one of his children is a boy. There are 99 other children, of which 49 are boys and 50 are girls. So the odds of his other child being a boy would be 49/99ths would it not?

So I'm now changing my answer to ((n/2)-1)/(n-1).
I'd say 50+%. The + is some unknown small number. Some men are more likely to have boys, some are more likely to have girls, and some are dead even. Since Mr. Jones has at least one boy, he's less likely to be in the "more likely to have girls" group (although not impossible). That gives a slight edge to another boy.

If that turns out to be an old wives' tale, then I guess that makes me an old wife.
spyman (424 D(G))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Yes Semck83 I started thinking that too right after I posted.
In that case my answer is 2/3.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Interesting. Rationale?
spyman (424 D(G))
27 Apr 13 UTC
This question makes my head spin...
Draugnar (0 DX)
27 Apr 13 UTC
But what ifbthe population is 101 - 51 girls and 50 boys or 51 boys and 50 girls. The odds could be less than 50% or exactly 50% in an odd population because you don't have a person of neuter sex (assuming binary gender here).
Suppose you know ONLY the following two facts about Mr. Jones and his family:

a) He has two children.
b) At least one of them is a boy.
c) He owns a dog named Fluffy
d) his wife is actually a blond although she dyes her hair red
e) he pretends to work really hard but in fact outsources his work to China without his boss knowing.

Assuming equal sex distribution in society, what is the probability that the second one is a boy?

A: 50%
Alderian (2425 D(S))
27 Apr 13 UTC
@Draugnar, that isn't an even distribution. The problem stated an even distribution and therefore there have to be an even number of people of which exactly half are boys and half are girls.
Draugnar (0 DX)
27 Apr 13 UTC
As far as the 1/3 - 2/3 option. We don't know which boy is being shown in the BB relationships so it gets weighted twice still making it 50/50.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
27 Apr 13 UTC
@TMOW, the difference between b and c/d/e is that b directly interacts with "Assuming equal sex distribution in society" while c/d/e do not.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
The question "what is the probability both are boys" is 25%

the question "what is the probability one of them is a boy" is 50%, which seems to include the way semck originally phrased it, but not if you nitpick it.

I feel like that's probably where the paradox lies, the interpretation and the perspective of the question.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
27 Apr 13 UTC
You all are making the assumption that this probability is occurring w/o replacement. We're talking about a population, not drawing from a deck of cards, so in my view, you're overcomplicating the probability. The other boy is simply included in the assumed 50/50 population, so his sexuality has no bearing on the probability for the other child.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
27 Apr 13 UTC
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By the way, I'm split on the whole "equal sex distribution" thing. On the one hand nerds having as much sex as jocks sounds good. On the other hand, ugos having as much sex as hoties gives one pause.
Draugnar (0 DX)
27 Apr 13 UTC
Assuming equal distribution in society doesn't definitively state that at that moment in time there is am even number of people. It implies that balance is roughly equal when there is an odd number and all it really does is show no predisposition to one sex or the other. So it is still 50/50 because we don't know whether his neighbor has two girls or a boy and a girl or what. Each is independent of the other so 50/50. An assumption is not an established fact. We have two established facts. Two kods and at least one is a boy. Do we take.into account Mr. Smith is male?
spyman (424 D(G))
27 Apr 13 UTC
Semck83 I have to go out, so I'll have to get back to this question later but we already know for a fact that Mr Jones has one boy, which leave open two possibilities, one of which is a boy and one is a girl.

Consider the probabilities if we did not know the sex of any of his children:
1. Two boys
2. Two girls
3. One boy /One girl

In two of the scenarios out of three he has a boy. Hence 2/3.

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markturrieta (400 D)
28 Apr 13 UTC
Leaving a game
How do you leave a game? Is there a way to end your participation immediately (so the other players know) or do you just stop playing and the other players just see that you "missed the last phase" and wonder if you're coming back?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
29 Apr 13 UTC
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Jason Colliny
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22341153
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
28 Apr 13 UTC
The Self-Hating State, The Market, and the Environment
Read this:

http://www.monbiot.com/2013/04/22/the-self-hating-state/
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
26 Apr 13 UTC
Are IQ tests a reliable measure of intelligence?
I remember when I took Psych 101 in college that we went through two weeks of lectures on the varying vying definitions of intelligence and the techniques and strategies for measuring it. How can you conclusively measure something that cannot be clearly defined?
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SYnapse (0 DX)
29 Apr 13 UTC
Hostage rescue variant
I'm going to make a variant of a small space, like a building, with teams of terrorists and police forces who can move from room to room supporting each other etc.
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jmbostwick (2308 D)
13 Apr 13 UTC
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EOG: Game 17 Around the World Map Gunboart Tournament
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