Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[Hamilton Brian]

Sweet and damo both have moved up on my townreading players. Granted, it's a very small sample.

[damo666]

Bees police the cleanliness of their hives through routines and behaviour. They are a fascinating creature.

Anyway, I think my commute home will get in the way of my voting, and I won't pull off into a gas station to post.

D1 being what it is, if I add my vote to a town role, I apologize in advance. There's no one I'totally sold on, so today is for data collection purposes.

##Vote damo

BAD cop?

[damo666]

Cop eh dayum as they say in Boston Canada.

My scum are Vecna, Damo, and I’m coming around on LoW

I’m good with a Vecna death and it’s not omgus

Excellent

[damo666]

Well played Ham

[Hamilton Brian]

Bees police the cleanliness of their hives through routines and behaviour. They are a fascinating creature.

Anyway, I think my commute home will get in the way of my voting, and I won't pull off into a gas station to post.

D1 being what it is, if I add my vote to a town role, I apologize in advance. There's no one I'totally sold on, so today is for data collection purposes.

##Vote damo

BAD cop?

Nope, just wanted to use a fact about bees that involved the word police. The rest of it was incidental and not as fabricated as C-L-E-R-K. And you were a placement vote and then rereading I thought you were a full-on-shit mafia. I disagree with my assessment now.

[worcej]

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I don't feel comfortable saying more right now, other than I currently oppose voting for Ham given the situation at hand.

alright, that's fair. though I hope for an explanation later down the line.

I also don't want to vote ham right now, at least until someone explains to me what ham is claiming, I'm super confused as to the state of that discussion.

Hamilton implied he was cop to avoid being the D2 DK, and is now saying he is not the cop but was trying to draw the NK. Mafia claiming a PR to avoid a DK when they are confident the DK will be diverted to a town is a common mafia play.

This.

[Hamilton Brian]

I am happy that you're finding all the crumbs I was leaving, damo.

[damo666]

Bees police the cleanliness of their hives through routines and behaviour. They are a fascinating creature.

Anyway, I think my commute home will get in the way of my voting, and I won't pull off into a gas station to post.

D1 being what it is, if I add my vote to a town role, I apologize in advance. There's no one I'totally sold on, so today is for data collection purposes.

##Vote damo

BAD cop?

Nope, just wanted to use a fact about bees that involved the word police. The rest of it was incidental and not as fabricated as C-L-E-R-K. And you were a placement vote and then rereading I thought you were a full-on-shit mafia. I disagree with my assessment now.

lol

[Hamilton Brian]

alright, that's fair. though I hope for an explanation later down the line.

I also don't want to vote ham right now, at least until someone explains to me what ham is claiming, I'm super confused as to the state of that discussion.

Hamilton implied he was cop to avoid being the D2 DK, and is now saying he is not the cop but was trying to draw the NK. Mafia claiming a PR to avoid a DK when they are confident the DK will be diverted to a town is a common mafia play.

This.

To which I say, is a biased assessment. Yes, we have a plethora of scum who have claimed at the EOD to avoid the DK. You're missing the other element, which bozo is as well.

[Spartaculous]

Computer for sure; couldn’t do that on a phobe

Great; thanks for hümoring me with a silly question or two.

Explain

I think you and I are both really into finding potential crumbs that Ham left. You've done much better than I (I didn't see the BAD). But I did see a few stray umlauts that I was attempting to evaluate the importance of.

[worcej]

I am happy that you're finding all the crumbs I was leaving, damo.

If these are all real crumbs and you're really the PR, I think the scum team are idiots for not finding them almost immediately.

[Hamilton Brian]

I think this is enough from me for now.

I don't want to be a further distraction. Get into the VCA, especially D2. It's shitty for a couple players.

There are some players I am surprised with right now.

Again, sacrificing me as today's DK does mafia's work for them. Don't do it.

[Hamilton Brian]

Great; thanks for hümoring me with a silly question or two.

Explain

I think you and I are both really into finding potential crumbs that Ham left. You've done much better than I (I didn't see the BAD). But I did see a few stray umlauts that I was attempting to evaluate the importance of.

Ah, my computer at work is really weird. Or the keyboard is; I tap a letter then a punctuation, then it does something I don't want it to do. I decided to leave the umlauts. Didn't think them to be significant.

[Spartaculous]

Explain

I think you and I are both really into finding potential crumbs that Ham left. You've done much better than I (I didn't see the BAD). But I did see a few stray umlauts that I was attempting to evaluate the importance of.

Ah, my computer at work is really weird. Or the keyboard is; I tap a letter then a punctuation, then it does something I don't want it to do. I decided to leave the umlauts. Didn't think them to be significant.

Sounds good. I'll take that at face value. I was attempting to connect the one umlaut with the immediately preceding mention of BunnyGo (who was your implied scan). I repeat my belief that you should not be under consideration for today's vote.

I think it should be time to restart some more wagons from day 2. So:

##VOTE Lord of Words

[bozotheclown]

alright, that's fair. though I hope for an explanation later down the line.

I also don't want to vote ham right now, at least until someone explains to me what ham is claiming, I'm super confused as to the state of that discussion.

Hamilton implied he was cop to avoid being the D2 DK, and is now saying he is not the cop but was trying to draw the NK. Mafia claiming a PR to avoid a DK when they are confident the DK will be diverted to a town is a common mafia play.

This summary omits the all important D1 crumb. Why bozo? Inconvenient?

Typically, mafia are more likely to fake PR crumbs than VT, as I mentioned in another post.

[bozotheclown]

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I don't feel comfortable saying more right now, other than I currently oppose voting for Ham given the situation at hand.

alright, that's fair. though I hope for an explanation later down the line.

I also don't want to vote ham right now, at least until someone explains to me what ham is claiming, I'm super confused as to the state of that discussion.

Timeline:

Ham crumbs that he is a Clerk on D1. Presumably it wasn't noticed by anybody, but damo found it since Ham told us about it and it clearly spells out "CLERK".

End of day 2 Ham hamfistedly soft claims Clerk in the most unbelievable way possible.

Unsurprisingly, Mafia didn't believe his claim and NK ghug.

Now Ham has renounced his claim, saying he setup the claim D1 as a way to eat the NK at some point.
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Now what we should do about this is quite obvious:

Case 1: Ham is Town, possibly actually a great actor and actually the Clerk (I believe this).

Then we should not DK him. Force Mafia to either NK him, focus their role blocks on him, or even ignore him, which would be awesome if he is actually the Clerk.

Case 2: Ham is Mafia.

If we incorrectly do the best play, assuming Case 1, then worst case our Clerk will catch him. Though it is likely we would eventually catch him. Certainly he wouldn't be allowed to make it to final 3.

TLDR Ham should not be up for the vote today.

Why would the real cop waste a scan on Hamilton?

[Hamilton Brian]

Why would the real cop waste a scan on Hamilton?

If there were a real cop, beyond me and the presumed fake claim, why wouldn't they waste a scan on me? If I were the real cop, and someone claimed, wouldn't they scan just to figure it out? Why wouldn't they?

[bozotheclown]

Why would the real cop waste a scan on Hamilton?

If there were a real cop, beyond me and the presumed fake claim, why wouldn't they waste a scan on me? If I were the real cop, and someone claimed, wouldn't they scan just to figure it out? Why wouldn't they?

They could scan someone who did not fake claim to prevent their DK instead.

If you theoretically were the real cop, what would your theoretical N2 scan result be?

[sweetandcool]

alright, that's fair. though I hope for an explanation later down the line.

I also don't want to vote ham right now, at least until someone explains to me what ham is claiming, I'm super confused as to the state of that discussion.

Timeline:

Ham crumbs that he is a Clerk on D1. Presumably it wasn't noticed by anybody, but damo found it since Ham told us about it and it clearly spells out "CLERK".

End of day 2 Ham hamfistedly soft claims Clerk in the most unbelievable way possible.

Unsurprisingly, Mafia didn't believe his claim and NK ghug.

Now Ham has renounced his claim, saying he setup the claim D1 as a way to eat the NK at some point.
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Now what we should do about this is quite obvious:

Case 1: Ham is Town, possibly actually a great actor and actually the Clerk (I believe this).

Then we should not DK him. Force Mafia to either NK him, focus their role blocks on him, or even ignore him, which would be awesome if he is actually the Clerk.

Case 2: Ham is Mafia.

If we incorrectly do the best play, assuming Case 1, then worst case our Clerk will catch him. Though it is likely we would eventually catch him. Certainly he wouldn't be allowed to make it to final 3.

TLDR Ham should not be up for the vote today.

Why would the real cop waste a scan on Hamilton?

You seem awfully eager to push an MK.

[Lord of Words]

Since Ham is here, I'm going to ask that if there was fair amount of belief that Ham was a cop ... why is he still alive?

Seems he would be a prime scum target. Explain this to me.