Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

Heads up I won't be here at EOD tomorrow... it's a long weekend here and I have a family thing. I'll try to sneak a peek when I can.

I'm feeling like bozo is scum now (from a few things from D4 but in particular the incredibly fine mincing of Jamie's claim, despite that it was rather robust), making my scumteam EP, bo_sox and bozo. I'm not sure if they actually fit together; I think bozo fits best with Chaqa and darg based on what I read today, but I don't know if my three reads fit with each other now. I'm going to read D6 tomorrow... I won't be able to do D5 in time and I think the worcej mislynch is probably an interesting read.

I think bo_sox has better consensus than EP, and I do think bo has been scummy all game long. I don't think it is the absolute best vote, but I think it is a very good one.

##VOTE bo_sox48

However, there is also one other person here...

Hedgy mchedgeface

It is interesting foodcoats seems to scum read everyone voting for him and then votes for someone who is not.

[bo_sox48]

So my scumteam is EP/bozo/Jamiet, but I can't really say that I townread bo or food. I'm most certain about EP.

This came a full 20 minutes before EON. Why exactly do people think he died over Foxcastle or Hosuke? Is it because his reads were fucking spot on?

2/3 minimum. 3/3 maximum. Pay the man, easy game.

Maybe, or maybe the mafia were trying to lock in his reads so they could refer to this post to get a mislynch.

You're right, maybe. But which do you find more likely to happen in the last 20 minutes? Do you think that the mafia, which you imply includes me, came together and said "oh yeah xorxes is about to be clear and lead the town and he's not really in a position to nail us based on his reads BUT we can totally kill him anyway just to use his reads for shits and giggles" OR do you think they, or even just the killer, said "oh fuck he's onto us, we gotta kill him before he leads on us?"

[bo_sox48]

I agree dargorygel was obviously going to be lynched first, but what if the plan was to get both lynched? Chaqa was the first to bring up the 2 scum theory, why do you think he would bring it up if both were scum?

Why would scum plan on sacrificing one of their own to get the tracker mislynched after he came out with nothing that could have been even remotely incriminating at all instead of staying silent and then killing him?

Maybe because they did not have anyone able to claim DP.

Then according to EP's logic, you should not scumread me.

Final DP smokescreen results. Return to this if town!DP dies without a reveal.

EspressoPatronum (complete) [damo]
bozo (complete) [chaqa]
Vapor (complete) [foodcoats]
foodcoats (complete) [damo]
flash (complete) [bo_sox]
bo_sox (refused)
Jamie (complete) [Jamie]
worcej (refused)
dargorygel (complete) [Brain]
damo (complete) [Bozo]

For analysis later. Gotta catch a train in a few mins.

Working through my DP lie theory rq, here are my immediate thoughts:

Worcej and bo_sox refused to participate. If they were maf, they would have been the obvious choices to take the DP claim later in the game. Town cred to them.

[bo_sox48]

Also, everyone realizes it is equally likely the missing claim is Absorber, right?

This is a good point. If scum were, as bozo suggested, not prepared for a DP claim and also not going to use an absorber claim, it makes a whole hell of a lot of sense that two scum would be planning on countering each other with a tracker claim.

When the tracker claims were made, if the mafia were avoiding claiming DP, they would not know that absorber was the missing role.

I am assuming that the mafia was given 6 fake claim options for the 5 of them. I don't see what the point of a missing role would otherwise be.

[bo_sox48]

Why is nobody asking why xorxes died? I get that it's technically WIFOM, and I get that WIFOM is technically supposed to be off limits, but the votes right now are literally avoiding his scumreads like the plague. It's comical. How can you all be this bad? He died before he could clear himself for a goddamn reason.

##VOTE Espresso

[bozotheclown]

This came a full 20 minutes before EON. Why exactly do people think he died over Foxcastle or Hosuke? Is it because his reads were fucking spot on?

2/3 minimum. 3/3 maximum. Pay the man, easy game.

Maybe, or maybe the mafia were trying to lock in his reads so they could refer to this post to get a mislynch.

You're right, maybe. But which do you find more likely to happen in the last 20 minutes? Do you think that the mafia, which you imply includes me, came together and said "oh yeah xorxes is about to be clear and lead the town and he's not really in a position to nail us based on his reads BUT we can totally kill him anyway just to use his reads for shits and giggles" OR do you think they, or even just the killer, said "oh fuck he's onto us, we gotta kill him before he leads on us?"

My guess is the NK was already ordered before that post and did not change.

[bo_sox48]

It's mafia going into MYLO/LYLO, I guarantee you every single member of the scumteam was online hitting F5 while they plotted things out.

[bo_sox48]

Kind of like I am right now waiting anxiously to read your next totally and unnecessarily dismissive post

[bozotheclown]

Kind of like I am right now waiting anxiously to read your next totally and unnecessarily dismissive post

OK, you did not post at all N6, if you were mafia, would you have been available 20 minutes before EON to change the NK?

[bozotheclown]

Kind of like I am right now waiting anxiously to read your next totally and unnecessarily dismissive post

I am trying to answer your questions, not dismiss them.

[bozotheclown]

This is a good point. If scum were, as bozo suggested, not prepared for a DP claim and also not going to use an absorber claim, it makes a whole hell of a lot of sense that two scum would be planning on countering each other with a tracker claim.

When the tracker claims were made, if the mafia were avoiding claiming DP, they would not know that absorber was the missing role.

I am assuming that the mafia was given 6 fake claim options for the 5 of them. I don't see what the point of a missing role would otherwise be.

This assumption is not correct, it has been clarified that the scum had 5 fake roles available to them. That means the mafia could not tell which role was the extra role not assigned to town. Does this information change you opinion on the possibility the mafia counterclaimed tracker to avoid claiming one role, such as DP?

[bo_sox48]

Kind of like I am right now waiting anxiously to read your next totally and unnecessarily dismissive post

OK, you did not post at all N6, if you were mafia, would you have been available 20 minutes before EON to change the NK?

I was literally dangling by two knots on an old rope from 400 feet above a quartzite outcrop overlooking a lake in Wisconsin at EON, so no, I do not believe so. That may have had something to do with my lack of posts on N6 as well, since you pointed that out.

[bo_sox48]

When the tracker claims were made, if the mafia were avoiding claiming DP, they would not know that absorber was the missing role.

I am assuming that the mafia was given 6 fake claim options for the 5 of them. I don't see what the point of a missing role would otherwise be.

This assumption is not correct, it has been clarified that the scum had 5 fake roles available to them. That means the mafia could not tell which role was the extra role not assigned to town. Does this information change you opinion on the possibility the mafia counterclaimed tracker to avoid claiming one role, such as DP?

Could you point out this post to me?

My concrete and extremely viable case regarding two members of the scumteam claiming tracker initially had nothing to do with the possibility of an extra role, so if you mean to ask whether or not I'm all of a sudden going to change my mind, no. However, it renders one hardly supplementary post on the last page moot. I suppose I can give you that one.

[bo_sox48]

Do you agree that by EP's logic, you should not be scumreading me if the mafia did not have anyone available to claim DP?

[bozotheclown]

This is a good point. If scum were, as bozo suggested, not prepared for a DP claim and also not going to use an absorber claim, it makes a whole hell of a lot of sense that two scum would be planning on countering each other with a tracker claim.

When the tracker claims were made, if the mafia were avoiding claiming DP, they would not know that absorber was the missing role.

I am assuming that the mafia was given 6 fake claim options for the 5 of them. I don't see what the point of a missing role would otherwise be.

As you might expect, I checked to see if there was any indication you already knew the scum had exactly five fake roles to choose from. Here xorxes explains it in a response to a question from you:

Why do we need an order?

There is one role neither assigned to town nor in the mafia fakelist. Ideally we don't want the last to claim to be scum and have the choice of not claiming some uncomfortable role they might have.

For what it is worth, I think we should give our oracle a chance before massclaiming.

It's too far in the future that there will be a chance for scum to kill the Oracle, and there has already been a soft, so...

[bo_sox48]

Yes, I only noted the extra role earlier tonight.

[bo_sox48]

In fact the only reason it ever occurred to me is because I was writing down a list of roles trying to remember who was supposedly who as I read D6, and I spent 20 minutes trying to figure out who the hell I had missed before I realized I hadn't missed anyone.

[flash2015]

Long story short, I think bozo and EP are probably right. The last three are likely food, Jamiet and bo. If I have to make the choice now, I will go with the one I would follow my current strongest townread who I think is voting for my strongest scumread. So this means:

##VOTE foodcoats

How, oh how oh how oh how, did you read D6 and think that Espresso and Jamie aren't both scum?

If Jamie is scum, I could look at it as him trying to make sure worcej got lynched but not wanting to take any responsibility for the town flip. Again he keeps repeating that he is flipping back and forth for survival...but if he really was Oracle his power would be useless UNLESS we were sure to be hitting scum D6.

I had a read through of EP. He didn't believe worcej to be scum (which turned out to be correct) so he was looking around to start up a wagon for someone he really did scum read. I am not seeing that as the same as what Jamiet was doing. It could have been an elaborate attempt to gain towny points...but I think it was genuine.

[bozotheclown]

Do you agree that by EP's logic, you should not be scumreading me if the mafia did not have anyone available to claim DP?

No, I agree with what xorxes said: "It's hard to believe that the real DP wouldn't have used this opportunity to reveal their target."

[bo_sox48]

I'm wondering if I'm the only one who does not have an eidetic recollection of the last 259 page long novel I read. Perhaps there are others out there in the universe like me that I may one day find, and surround myself with those unusual characters like myself.