Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

And I mostly agree with Xorxes and I am not getting good vibes from Vecna this game. And the greatest thing is he can't OMGUS me

I had so much reason to tell bo to fuck off and tell you you were about to make a big mistake and try to stop you right?

[Vecna]

Hello?!?!?

What did Damo claim? I did not see Damo hardclaiming. What page, what role?

this post indicates I was at least wrong about damo + jamiet being S&S

[Chaqa]

SCUMBOSOX 3.0

Its all in the speech.that big riveting sermon. Bo looooves to give big long winded sermons as scum.

in M33 he delivers several long sermons about strategy. the old days. Playing ball with the boys. chasing storms. shining up his glock.

On day 1 as a wolf in M33 bo stands on the balcony looking down at the masses and delivers a riveting sermon.
Here it is:

cum?
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bo_sox48
Day-1 16:16
page 31 @CB … I’ll answer your questions, but you should vote for bo, not bo_. I don’t know who that is. You should also try critical thinking, because brain has said nothing that makes any sort of sense at all, and yet apparently you’re buying in.

“Can you explain why you progressed like you did in regards to ghug and Damian?”

Not really, but I can explain them separately. Ghug was scummy early on. I explained that. I’ll explain it again, since reading is hard:

Ghug spent the first many pages of the thread doing nothing but shitposting and putting in zero effort at all and then bailed out when things started to get fun, unfortunately. Perhaps real life got in the way. Regardless, the reason why he left when he did is irrelevant to my case, which begins on page 2 when he tried to give himself some credibility by talking about how we can’t go back and look at the cop’s crumbs because we don’t know when he dies. As everyone else knew, there’s no cop. For some reason, ghug didn’t know that, but instead of following up this failure of a post with some other attempt at starting a productive conversation about PRs in this game, he just goes on to shitpost. It’s like he gave up on being productive in the name of flirting with Demon.

I don’t think ghug cares so much about establishing page 2 credibility as town, but I can see why he would as scum. Early credibility gives you a free pass. Town ghug doesn’t want a free pass; in fact, he went on a tirade in the last god thread toward me about how he’s so good at getting scumread on D1 just enough to not be a NK target. Towncred is the opposite of what town ghug wants early on. If you have such an amazing grasp on his meta, why have you not caught onto this? Hell, even if that was somehow town ghug, why would he go on to spend the next two hours doing nothing but shitposting and putting in zero effort if his intention on page 2 was to start a productive conversation? It makes no sense as town. The only reason that he would try to be productive like that and then totally bail on being productive at all, all in the span of a few minutes, would be because his only purpose with that post on page 2 was to try to gain towncred.

As for damian, I didn’t pressure him when I was grilling brainbomb because I was grilling brainbomb. Have you ever done that before? You can’t multitask too much. Try it sometime and you’ll understand. During the course of that conversation, damian seemed to be normal damian, which is relatively reserved but also attentive, so I left him alone. I don’t really remember all that many particulars of damian’s game other than what I voted for him for, which is why I said then and there that I probably need to do a reread on him.

I’m not sure why you’re asking me why I’m scumreading him as opposed to just taking his perfectly honest explanation of why I’m perfectly within reason to scumread him at face value, frankly. We don’t usually get someone helping us explain why we should scumread them so candidly.

Now, why didn’t I turn up the heat on him?Well, first of all, work, as I said. Life’s a bitch. Second of all, damian was already a leading wagon. I wasn’t creating his wagon, nor was I offering up anything new, nor was I supplementing existing information at all. All I was doing was adding my tally mark to the other tally marks before mine. Contrarily, I was doing all of those things with brainbomb. I don’t see any real parallels here.

Since you haven’t managed to figure it out for yourself, brainbomb is not only tunneling, but his tunneling is allowing him to make the leap into mischaracterizing my lack of attention to damian as sinister. He is stuck on the idea that damian and I are scum, so obviously the fact that I didn’t do to damian what I did to him is because we’re scumbuddies working together. There is no other explanation in his mind, despite the obvious one I just gave. If your standards are so low that you apparently think that his explanation is “fair,” I hope that you think mine is worthy of a Nobel Prize. Please get better at this game.

As for your other questions, the answer to all of them is your mom

M34 bo offers us this wonderful life event speech

bo_sox48
Night-1 08:22
page 32 / orig Hey guys, fun update. My girlfriend ordered us pizza last night and I was perfectly fine before then, but since then I have vomited a dozen or so times, can't hardly move without absurd abdominal pain, and haven't actually slept. The good news out of all of that is I'm obviously not going to work the next couple of days, so maybe I'll be able to catch up here. The bad news is that I have had food poisoning three times this month now and I'm not sure if this is an unfortunate coincidence anymore or if I have holes in my stomach or something joyful like that. So if I totally disappear from everything, they're probably fixing some ulcers or ripping my gallbladder out. Yay

Bo sees scum play as an execerise in of you write enough words or have long enough posts people wont read them and thus its a great way to get away with saying anything. As scum bo sees large paragraphs as his gateway to being towny.


M34 Bo is mafia stalker

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bo_sox48
Day-3 02:34
page 109 / orig I have no idea what is mathematically best. Math is not my thing. I see that there are multiple ways to get a 2-for-1 tradeoff and that there is a chance that if yav is the real cop, he's more useful than a VT. Barely.

The fact of the matter behind my entire analysis is that I don't believe that yav is the cop, I do believe that ND is town, and I do believe that RHK is the watcher. That is the point that I have been hoping to make, but it is quite clear that rationalizing through the possibilities is harder than flipping someone that is probably not mafia and seeing where we're at, so this town doesn't want to do it. I'm going to give it one last go anyway, and if yall decide to put ND out of his misery instead of trying to actually determine his alignment yourselves, then that's fine. Hopefully it works out.

I put together what I felt was a good case against ND earlier in this game and then brainbomb said this:

"Why does newb scum!rjmcf vote scum!ND and stay on him thru EOD."

If you can actually read through that gibberish, brainbomb makes a good point. Rj voted for ND and then left, despite ND being a leading wagon. If ND were, as I supposed, a more important mafia role than Jamie, why would Rj have done that? This point trumped my case.

I pointed out that Rj did the exact same thing to Tom on D2, and that is why I townread him as well.

If yall are going to suppose that ND is mafia, you are going to have to first reconcile this point. Yavuzovic, interestingly enough, has never bothered to do so despite apparently having a guilty scan on him. If you can manage that, you are a better investigator than our cop as well as me, because I tried to think of something that might explain it. I wanted there to be something that explained it. If there is, I'll be pretty happy, honestly.

If yall are going to suppose that ND is probably not mafia, like I do, then lynch him anyway, you're doing so under the premise that he is the miller. I am not going to put my foot down on ND's throat on the premise that he is the miller because I do not particularly like lynching townies. Moreover, I would not ascribe to a 1-in-many chance that ND is the miller even if I believed that yav was the real cop and that RHK is the liar here.

I proposed a way to make this determination by reading thoroughly and making a definitive judgment as opposed to following a math equation. I thought there was a math equation to back me up, but there clearly isn't. If yall were to make a definitive judgment and say that yeah, you think ND is scum, and you could actually tell me why, and then follow that up with a good reason for thinking either yav or RHK is scum and tell me why, I would be more comfortable with things.

That said, I'm leaving for work shortly and I won't be here for EOD, so if you have any desire to try and change my mind, you have about a half hour.

in M34 bo put forth his best wolfgame ever. Almost every post was like this. very long. very analytical. very detailed.



M47 this game

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bo_sox48
Day-1 24:46
page 28 / orig Incoming grumpy old man post. Please read.

I feel as if mafia has evolved on this site. When I began playing, there were a lot of longwinded, say-nothing type of posts, but among the stacks of long posts thrown on top of each other that nobody actually read or cared about were occasionally good bits that town could take advantage of. In this thread, and in other more recent games, it seems like the vast majority of posts are people quoting someone that somebody else said and then adding their one or two lines of input on top of it. It's not totally a bad thing. The posts that matter are a lot easier to find because I can just gloss over all the banter and actually stop at something that is, oh, I don't know, more than a long tweet in length. But it isn't great to be missing out on so much information. If those who are participating in these back-and-forth conversations are gaining something from it, the rest of us need to know somehow. Hopefully if I have to play catch up I'll be catching up on theories and cases, or coherent plans to get to theories and cases, instead of one-off conversations that make no sense to anyone but the poster themselves.

Given this, I have not come across all that many posts that fit my unnecessarily pedantic criteria for what I care to read, so there isn't very much to say.

Here's a list of things I think so far:

Mass claim: wtf no
Lynch lurkers: maybe
Discuss randomness of setup: yes

Mass claiming is beyond stupid. Besides the fact that this setup has a pretty clear mechanism to prevent it from being successful and that drawing out our PRs before the turns that they can actually use their powers have come is not a good thing, it's just not fun. I'm not here to solve a math problem; I want to play the game.

Lynching lurkers might be a smart plan, but it needs to be done cohesively. A smart mafia player in a setup like this one is probably burying themselves in the muck right now. The worst thing that they can do for themselves is draw undue attention their way, which is why, for example, I think bozo is probably town even though he's the one that keeps proposing stupid things. There should be less attention focused on those who are coming up with ideas and trying to direct traffic, so to speak, and more attention focused on those who are either not posting at all, doing what I did last night and posting just to get something down on paper, or simply following in the tracks of others who are laying bricks for them. Personally, I find the latter is the easiest way to track down lurking scum, because eventually playing by either of the former will stand out even if it doesn't on day 1. When I reread day 1, that's something I plan to look for.

This setup is clearly not randomly drawn. Someone pointed this out earlier and it got swept away in a wave of spam. That implies to me that this setup is drawn for the optimal gameplay. I don't like gaming the GMs, but they've brought this one on themselves. If we can deduce the most likely town and mafia combinations of roles, we can start to narrow down the number of fake claims that the mafia team can employ. It might not work until we have dead players to look at and might not really prove valuable until the later days in the game, but if a pattern emerges one way or another we should aim to be able to recognize it and narrow down this setup.
bo_sox48
Day-1 24:33
page 28 / orig I'm not trying to be nostalgic. The "old" way wasn't necessarily better as far as individuals deducing information and solving the game, but it was a heck of a lot better for those who weren't directly involved in those interactions to pick up on what is going on and go back through them later to analyze. I just want us to find a happy medium so that when I to go 12 hours without playing the game and need to read up a little bit, I don't feel like I would get more usefulness out of an askreddit thread.

This is the kind of posts scum bo makes. ranting about how times have changed.how the game is just quotes now.


The players who insta rush to defend bo on this point:
Chaqa

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Chaqa
Day-1 23:33
page 29 / orig
↑dargorygel: "I'll be back tomorrow with time...
First, I was trying to be funny, and no one noticed. I was posting with one word. I..."
Before I dive into this post, thanks bo for articulating what I’ve been feeling in a way more clear and concise way than I ever could. Appreciate that. I have a lot of trouble following all these back and forth quoted conversations. I miss the old big monolithic “case” posts people used to make.

But on this post - dargo isn’t someone I’ve played with too much (or have forgotten if I gave), but this entire post seems hedgey and anchoring. “Sorry I was posting so poorly, but weren’t my one-word answers so articulate! I’ll be back and better later, I promise!”

Blegh. ##Vote dargo

Chaqa sheeps bo reasoning on darg. and harkens back to this very nostalgic notion that the old days were better. He misses the big long winded cases. Well heres a big one for ya chaqalaq. Youre scum with bo!

And the other one is Foodcoats

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foodcoats
Day-1 16:42
page 38 / orig
↑brainbomb: "I never feel like much happens in these games anymore. day 1 in a webdip mafia game used to be this marathon of nonstop ..."
What Bo said in his/her great wall of text above resonated with me, insofar as webdipmafia seems to be a massive meta circlejerk instead of more play-oriented (compared to the couple games I played on mafiascum anyway). rdr and xorxes debating whether xorxes is likely to be bussing emc if emc is scum based on xorxes' meta is an absolutely ridiculous example. This environment seems to encourage people to basically not even play, perhaps because they're afraid of being hounded for their meta in the future; damo's posts are absolutely horrendous and I can't understand how someone would want to play the game this way unless it is just a long con.

brain, earlier today you were suspicious of worcej. I've been staring at worcej's posts a lot because they are very different from the other game I played with him/her when they were town. They were much humbler and quieter there. Now I find worcej is almost playing like you: spastic and elusive. Irreverent. Bombastic.

So what made you suspicious of worcej?

Scumteam
bo
chaqa
foodcoats

Brain - I don’t disagree that bo is scum (I called him out really early on), but my post had two disconnected components - one about bo’s point being good, regardless of alignment, and another that was a follow up to Dargo’s awful awful post. It wasn’t an if, then type post.

[Percy Williams]

@brain @rdr @Percy @ItsHosuke

As prime N1 NK targets I trust you will leave some wise words before close of N1.

Actually, @ALL Should ItsHosuke reveal his Mason partner in case he gets killed N1?

I Highly doubt I'm N1 NK. Since I can't prove I'm Town until At least Day 5, the mafia have plenty of time to orchestrate my mislynch. People are going to start suspecting me again as soon as I live through a couple nights, despite it not making that much sense to NK me, they might let me live past turn 5 and push for my mislynch. Although I'd have no reason not to claim my scan, and once I flip people will know it's true, but I still think the mafia will push a mislynch rather than NK me.

When is the first night you can scan?

Night 5. So I can't prove I'm Town until Day 6, mea culpa.

[brainbomb]

@Chaqa how do you feel about the new forum and maf QTs all being on discord now?

[bozotheclown]

I Highly doubt I'm N1 NK. Since I can't prove I'm Town until At least Day 5, the mafia have plenty of time to orchestrate my mislynch. People are going to start suspecting me again as soon as I live through a couple nights, despite it not making that much sense to NK me, they might let me live past turn 5 and push for my mislynch. Although I'd have no reason not to claim my scan, and once I flip people will know it's true, but I still think the mafia will push a mislynch rather than NK me.

When is the first night you can scan?

Night 5. So I can't prove I'm Town until Day 6, mea culpa.

I'm going to hardclaim Stick bug, I know the Mafia has fakeclaims, but I can always be lynched D5 if I do nothing.

When you claimed, you implied you would be able to scan N4. Were you not sure about this detail of your role?

[brainbomb]

I suppose another reason they all wanted to lynch darg would be if darg was voting scum and it scared the piss out of em

[worcej]

I think the scumteam might as well concede now. You got em, brain. Great work.

they might.

Can confirm, if vapor is scum and the last one, he will throw in the towel.

[brainbomb]

This is simple to resolve. dargo needs to respond and talk about all this. he doesnt get to just lurk while we kill all his voters

[Jamiet99uk]

@Chaqa how do you feel about the new forum and maf QTs all being on discord now?

QT is not Discord, by definition.

[Foxcastle]

@Chaqa how do you feel about the new forum and maf QTs all being on discord now?

QT is not Discord, by definition.

Maybe the point wasn't to give you an opportunity to prove you know everything, but to see how Chaqa responded to that.

[rdrivera2005]

Why people insist in trying to figure out the whole scumteam? Does this ever work?

It's fun trying to figure out what scumteams work from a given scumpool and it's worth sharing. You're unlikely to nab the whole team but if you get commonality between attempts it's a good guide I think. For instance we have bo and Flash appearing quite a lot.

Flash is just a filler, can't believe someone really scumread him (or townread) cause he provided almost 0 content.

[rdrivera2005]

Why people insist in trying to figure out the whole scumteam? Does this ever work?

Much better just to try not to catch the scum, right?

This is what you are doing?

[Chaqa]

I'll be back tomorrow with time...
First, I was trying to be funny, and no one noticed. I was posting with one word. I suppose it says something about what folk expect from me.
It was kind of fun. Mostly it was just reactive posts. I DID have a couple of conversations (accusing Percy Williams of hedging, for instance) that were fun with single words. It actually made me think more about articulation than I am used to...

But in the end it is too hard and not really helpful.

A couple of obvious things to comment on:
Mass claim... while I do think that such a claim MIGHT POSSIBLY help us... mostly the concept has too many faulty underlying beliefs. It assumes a randomness of role that I don't think the GM's would do. It assumes that we will have LOTS of scum making false claims, when there is no reason for them to do so. I think bozo also is assuming (he lists this as a 'pro') that multiple fakeclaiming by lynchable scum is common. I think it happens maybe once or twice per game. So we MIGHT draw out a couple of scum... but mostly, we just give scum a map.

But I am not happy with how hard bozo is pushing for this. He seems to have some hope that he has a chance to succeed. I think bozo is smarter than that. So why does he not back off? Or did I miss a retraction?

Also, regarding D1 voting. I always raise an eyebrow at STRONG statements on D1. People who pretend to KNOW an alignment. Obv, only scum knows alignment.

Lynching lurkers? D1 is almost random voting, or at most, mostly gut feelings. Lurkers are no more or less likely to be scum. Lately, it seems, though that at least one or two scummies hide early in the game. So maybe lynching lurkers increases our odds.

I'll probably be able to read off and on... but won't have time to post much till tomorrow morning.

Before I dive into this post, thanks bo for articulating what I’ve been feeling in a way more clear and concise way than I ever could. Appreciate that. I have a lot of trouble following all these back and forth quoted conversations. I miss the old big monolithic “case” posts people used to make.

But on this post - dargo isn’t someone I’ve played with too much (or have forgotten if I gave), but this entire post seems hedgey and anchoring. “Sorry I was posting so poorly, but weren’t my one-word answers so articulate! I’ll be back and better later, I promise!”

Blegh. ##Vote dargo

In M24, you and dargorygel both made it through the entire game (7 days). In M28, you both were alive for 5 days. You were both in M33, but dargorygel replaced you D5. In M36 you were both on the scum team, although you were replaced D2.

I don’t even remember playing in half those games, so...

Memory isn’t a strong suit of mine, I blame the smoking.

[EspressoPatronum]

bozo - I'm weirded a bit by bozo, he does have some great details to his posts and seems inquisitive, however bozo as scum is extremely smart so I'm townleaning him, he does have scum potential he's a fucking excellent scum:-(

Scum potential: bo_sox for trying that horribad maneuver on rivera, chaqa for being likeable but not proving that much game content, dargo for delaying things, Foxy (I'm not liking Foxy this game because he's one-dimensional)

Towns (my watchtower)
....this should have been Vecna's spot and I'm leaving it open and empty
damo
e.m.c for that big post but I'm a sucker when it comes to e.m.c posting so I could be wrong, e.m.c was kinda weird and drawing attention so I think he's town
rivera
Percy

Nulls: Espresso (I felt pocketed by Espresso and almost placed him in my towncore, not so fast)/flash (where are you?) foodcoasts (I think his effort moves him towards a townlean), Hosuke (because I only have his claim and not much content)



He's not a real person: bomb

Lol, I thought you might be trying to pocket me with your earlier town read of me.

Pocketception.

[worcej]

I am trying to come up with a scenario where Vecna, xorxes, Jamie, worcej, and damo are all town. In this case the scum team would probably look something like bo_sox, Percy, Chaqa, dargorygel, and flash.

I don't think all of the group you're trying to paint as town are town.

Jamie and xorxes are the two I am looking closely at. I don't like how damo is playing, but that's NAI right now.

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa how do you feel about the new forum and maf QTs all being on discord now?

Oh that’s sweet, I wish we could just replace this entire forum with the discord. In love it. Me and NEFS have organized so many live games!

[brainbomb]

@Chaqa how do you feel about the new forum and maf QTs all being on discord now?

QT is not Discord, by definition.

thank you for fucking up a chance for chaqa to townslip.

[bozotheclown]

The role cop PM says that players may be investigated after the fourth night. Someone looking at the PM quickly could easily think it says the power is active starting N4. However, I would expect a town member assigned this role to read it more carefully. Therefore, I suspect Percy's claim is fake, and I do not think we should wait until D6 to lynch him.

[bozotheclown]

Before I dive into this post, thanks bo for articulating what I’ve been feeling in a way more clear and concise way than I ever could. Appreciate that. I have a lot of trouble following all these back and forth quoted conversations. I miss the old big monolithic “case” posts people used to make.

But on this post - dargo isn’t someone I’ve played with too much (or have forgotten if I gave), but this entire post seems hedgey and anchoring. “Sorry I was posting so poorly, but weren’t my one-word answers so articulate! I’ll be back and better later, I promise!”

Blegh. ##Vote dargo

In M24, you and dargorygel both made it through the entire game (7 days). In M28, you both were alive for 5 days. You were both in M33, but dargorygel replaced you D5. In M36 you were both on the scum team, although you were replaced D2.

I don’t even remember playing in half those games, so...

Memory isn’t a strong suit of mine, I blame the smoking.

Which half do you remember playing?