Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Durga]

ND - how about we lynch everyone who was on EP and then we should be able to find the majority of the team and THEN we can lynch et right?

[Squigs44]

ND is actually trying and putting effort into this case, and despite no one believing him he keeps going.

I think it's worth looking into

He tunnels as scum - I've seen it. He's done it on me and Tom Bomb.

I didn't say to believe it - I said we should look into it

[ND]

ND is actually trying and putting effort into this case, and despite no one believing him he keeps going.

I think it's worth looking into

I appreciate any additional reads of ET.

[Squigs44]

@ND - would mafia stack themselves on a town et?

[Squigs44]

@ND - would mafia stack themselves on a town et?

Sorry, would they stack themselves on EP if et were town?

[Durga]

@ND - would mafia stack themselves on a town et?

Sorry, would they stack themselves on EP if et were town?

totally. i'd rather lynch EP over et as scum.

[Squigs44]

@ND - would mafia stack themselves on a town et?

Sorry, would they stack themselves on EP if et were town?

totally. i'd rather lynch EP over et as scum.

I wasn't asking you - I was asking ND

[Durga]

Sorry, would they stack themselves on EP if et were town?

totally. i'd rather lynch EP over et as scum.

I wasn't asking you - I was asking ND

yeah i hit submit and immediately regretted it. sry

[ND]

@Durga: "ND - how about we lynch everyone who was on EP and then we should be able to find the majority of the team and THEN we can lynch et right?"

I can smell the sarcasm and obviously you don't think there is anything to ET. Fine. I disagree.

@Squigs: "Sorry, would they stack themselves on EP if et were town?"

Well we know that two of the scum team voted Espresso over ET. IF* ET is town which I preface by highly doubting at this point then it could be as simple as them thinking Espresso was more dangerous and capable at gamesolving and thus a better vote. IF ET is mafia as I suspect it could be that we find most of the scum team was on Espresso because ET is a role they didn't want to sacrifice. Speculative, but that's what I think.

[Squigs44]

I think ET needs to be chosen for this. I think both parts of my review of ET hold up. It also attracted a pretty intense rebuttal from Balki. Unless I'm nuts and I've looked at his nutty post on Page 225 where he reads most of the people in the game, ET isn't on it. He also gives a reply to my case on 207 to ET which I thought was pretty poor. I seriously don't know why I am the only person with a scumread on ET. If ET is not chosen by judge then fine, I don't get it, but w/e.

My secondary read would come to Damo and or Fox
-I've discussed a bit previously D3 the potential for Fox to be scum based on TrPrado it's been countered. Additionally, if you look at Fox's vote history it's not great. Fox was on Flav (D1), Fox was on Espresso (D2) Fox was on Teacon (D3)
-Important note for voting metric both Balki and Xorxes were on Espresso D2 NOT ET
-Damo voted for Bozo (D1), Espresso (D2), and Teacon (D3)
-Both Damo and Fox voted for Teacon over Xorxes (Confirmed Scum) D3
-Xorxes was on Percy D1 and D3 but Balki was on Flav (D1), Espresso (D2), and Xorxes (D3)
-I think picking Fox v Damo or one of them at the minimum is fair. Ideally one of those two vs ET would be great.

So your team right now is Xorxes, Balki, et, damo, Fox, and ...?

[Durga]

@Durga: "ND - how about we lynch everyone who was on EP and then we should be able to find the majority of the team and THEN we can lynch et right?"

I can smell the sarcasm and obviously you don't think there is anything to ET. Fine. I disagree.

@Squigs: "Sorry, would they stack themselves on EP if et were town?"

Well we know that two of the scum team voted Espresso over ET. IF* ET is town which I preface by highly doubting at this point then it could be as simple as them thinking Espresso was more dangerous and capable at gamesolving and thus a better vote. IF ET is mafia as I suspect it could be that we find most of the scum team was on Espresso because ET is a role they didn't want to sacrifice. Speculative, but that's what I think.

SURE. we know 2/6 scum members voted for EP. There is a chance FOUR could have been on et. You shouldn't use 2/6 as a reason to lynch someone. Everyone had to pick one or the other and they both came off townie enough. I feel like you know this and your argument seems ingenuine.

[ND]

@Squigs: Xorxes, Balki, ET, Damo, Fox, and Flav or Conner makes the most sense. Outside chance of Peter but I prefer Conner over him.

@Durga: Wtf? It’s not my primary reason for suspecting ET. I’ve made my case twice. This is a piece of speculation. That I brought up because we have new information in the form of two scum flips since end of D3. Have you even freaking read my cases?

[Nephthys]

@Squigs: Xorxes, Balki, ET, Damo, Fox, and Flav or Conner makes the most sense. Outside chance of Peter but I prefer Conner over him.

@Durga: Wtf? It’s not my primary reason for suspecting ET. I’ve made my case twice. This is a piece of speculation. That I brought up because we have new information in the form of two scum flips since end of D3. Have you even freaking read my cases?

Why does connor make sense?

Why connor over peter?

Who do you think as BA and why are they above connor?

[ND]

speculation/interpretation

If your saying that people shouldn't speculate or interpret things then this isn't the game for you

[teacon7]

@Everyone, if you disagree with my vote and motivations behind my vote on Neph, please explain to me why Neph is the Judge and WHY we shouldn't vote him to lynch scum or force him to prove that he's Judge?

I disagree with your vote. Not because I think Neph is 100% clear or whatever. He's not. It could all have been tinfoil-wrapped scum theatre, where he and balki were scum together. It's possible, sure. But it doesn't matter - if Neph is lying, the real judge knows, and the real judge will be able to prove it:
a) the real judge claims, and announces his candidates: Neph and someone else
b) the real judge PM's the GM's according to whatever their role desc says
c) the GM's announce the two candidates for today.
This will confirm the identity of the judge. We'll lynch Neph for lying, and we'll have a mechanically confirmed townclear. Does that make sense?

Which seems more likely to you:
1) Balki fished for PR and guessed really well.
2) Balki, newly outed by rdriv, also outed a teammate in his BA claim.
3) Balki fished for a PR, guessed wrong, and vt!Neph played along.
4) Balki Fished for PR, guessed halfway right, and found the BA.

All of those are possible. #1 seems most plausible to me. The fact that Neph is claiming uncontested means I'm not going to lynch him, even though his play from before looked scummy. We have a mechanical way to deal with this.

Are you saying we should lynch Neph on no evidence, so the Judge doesn't have to claim? That's silly. After the judge's last power usage, the role turns into a cleared town (functionally another IC). Even if Neph is faking and you someone knows it... we have a way to deal with this. imo it'll be more useful to lynch another scum AND have a clear....

[ND]

Who do I think BA is and why are they above conner? Sorry, I don't understand. I didn't put who I thought BA was on that list.

Looking at Conner and Peter. I think there is a good chance one of the two is scum. Of the two and based on my re-read I prefer Conner over Peter.

[et]

Fair @Chippie, but at the end of the day I am matching flipped scum up with who they voted. That was a close vote and so far we have found two scum stacked on Espresso. It's interpretative and like I said I stand by my read of ET Part 1 and Part 2. That is the bulk of my argument for sure.

@Durga: How does it make me feel? How do you think? It miffs me. I think it's easy for people to gloss over him because he just blends in and kind of states dominant thought. It's easy to be like oh that guy yeah he seconds me whatever, but when you really freaking look at that guy it's a game running pattern and i seriously don't think he's town that's why I am adamant about this.

Dominant thought?
I was the second players voted bozo at Day1.
I was just 1 players claimed ND as scum strongly Day3.
Please think more genuine reason.

[teacon7]

I am putting teacon in the vote. End of story. Guy needs to die.

Thank god. I won't have to deal with you anymore.

::obligatory protest because you're scumreading me::
::shutting up because conf bias and mob mentality means you won't listen anyway::

Of your three options, I'm thinking that fox would provide the most info. flav would be entertaining, but I'd want to RR him before changing my slight townread on him (did xorx coach him?). I'm not sure what we get from percy regardless of his flip.

[ChippeRock]

I make a joke and you respond with "you ignorant twat"

You need therapy dude.

Sorry, can't tell when you're making dumb statements and when you're joking anymore.

Also, since when do Canadians understand what the word twat means?

[teacon7]

I think Percy is town.
Flav is hard to read.
.
Fox said, Teacon and Fox can't be scum mate.
And Fox voted Teacon yesterday.
I am thinking about the possibility the case of both Fox and Teacon are scum,
And one of them is lynched and another is alive as towny person.
Fox v Teacon may show us important information about that.

et's got a point. Balki didn't vote for either of us. Was he protecting xorx/teacon/fox somehow?

So Neph:
Did the scumteam try to save Xorx?
When do you think xorx officially told his team to bus him?
How would that affect the composition of the EoD3 wagons?
What do you think Balki was doing EoD3? (since he clearly wasn't trying to save xorx)
Do any of damo/teacon/fox look better or worse to you now, since balki/xorx flipped scum and they were proposed counterwagons?

I'm thinking you should wait on the judging until we get a chance to discuss more. Limiting the options early isn't going to help discussion.