Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[thamrick]

And yes, it was safer. But you’ve also been arguing that scum NEED to find Cop it they lose. That’s why you didn’t believe Tom’s claim (and why I believe you tried to kill him last night). Now you’re arguing scum wouldn’t have risked hiding on a Yav wagon to potentially get the Cop?

[MeanLaQueefa]

Voting ND was the safe decision, especially if you're scum knowing it was town vs. town. Regardless of flip, it would generate no heat for the people on ND, that's why scum would have chosen it. That's where all the safe townies would run to, and many of them did, and scum ran with them because exposing themselves wasn't worth maybe killing a cop. From scum perspective, knowing it was town vs. town, voting for yav meant they'd get scrutiny if he flipped vt because they tired to kill a cop or if he flipped cop because they DID kill the cop. Voting yav only makes sense from a towny perspective because yav could have been mafia, and RHK's testimony pointed to that he was lying and likely mafia if you believed him. I do think scum split their votes around on to both wagons though.

[MeanLaQueefa]

Tham: "And yes, it was safer. But you’ve also been arguing that scum NEED to find Cop it they lose. That’s why you didn’t believe Tom’s claim (and why I believe you tried to kill him last night). Now you’re arguing scum wouldn’t have risked hiding on a Yav wagon to potentially get the Cop?"

Actually, when yav first claimed cop, I was skeptical for that very reason, same as when tom claimed, which is another reason why I decided to side with RHK and vote yav. Cop was much less valuable when he was exposed too, so it became a much less expensive loss if we mislynched him after he revealed himself anyway, but that was a lesser concern because I believed demon very much so. I still townread yav despite my skepticism, but that skepticism lead me to try to get him to say who he scanned first. The thing that changed my mind was demon saying yav didn't visit brain. It was easy to believe yav was lying and that he made made the scanning brain thing up on the fly and got caught by demon, totally fit his character which was bumbling even before the lies.

[MeanLaQueefa]

Goodnight brainbomb, I see you're watching over us from the god qt

[VashtaNeurotic]

Wait tom claimed cop as well?

[MeanLaQueefa]

Yeah, EoN 2 he claimed cop, Vash. Retracted as soon as dawn hit.

[bozotheclown]

@Demon: Why not vote Vashta D3 just because he was the counter wagon to Rjmcf D2? Vashta’s wagon formed as the result of Maniac and brain, two known town, advocating Vashta’s lynch. In fact, it appeared that you were the first one to respond to them and vote Vashta. Yes, it is possible that there was scum on Vashta’s wagon, but ND and Ezio were already tied with Rjmcf at 4 before Vashta’s wagon formed, those wagons would seem to the likely placed to find scum trying to protect Rjmcf. I do not see any reason why Rjmcf flipping scum makes Vashta less likely to be scum as well.

[DemonRHK]

I did not look at reasons. Whys can be faked. Yes, I am sure there was some play in affecting things by Maniac with his lynch lists.

Votes don't lie. 4 votes Vash to push him 6-4, then 4 Votes Rj to lynch him. 3 of those 4 votes are confirmed town.

[bozotheclown]

@Demon: Did you change your vote to Vashta as a result of Manic and brain advocating his lynch?

[bozotheclown]

I do not see how the town votes that ended up lynching Rjmcf in any way clears Vashta. Two of three known town votes were Maniac and brain, who were scum reading Vashta and helped start the Vashta wagon.

[bozotheclown]

@MeanLaQueefa:

You are scum reading me for my voting record, but look at the three days:

Day 1: I voted ND when I had to leave about 3 hours before EOD knowing that I would likely miss EOD, when Jamie only had one vote. You voted Balki early and stayed on him through EOD when he also was a counter wagon to Jamie.

Day 2: I was voting for Vashta all day, except for about 1 minute near EOD when I was giving up on lynching Vashta right before he started to become a viable wagon. You voted for Vashta when the vote was close between Vashta and Rjmcf, putting Vashta up 6-4.

Day 3: I voted for ND, ND flipped town. You voted for yavuzovic, yavuzovic has flipped town.

In my opinion, your voting record is similar to mine, arguably a little worse. This leaves me to believe that your read of me in more likely to be manufactured than that of a mistaken town.

[VashtaNeurotic]

Wait, bozo's defense of his voting record is "yours is worse".....this is not comparative to everyone else.

[VashtaNeurotic]

Like I feel at this point it would be nigh impossible for MLQ to vote for someone who didn't have a "better" voting record than her.

[VashtaNeurotic]

Though one can argue scum would vote ND yesterday rather than yavu.

[MeanLaQueefa]

yeah bozo, you have a point, our voting records are the same basically. I said that when I was sure yav was scum though, so that's why I said it, it wasn't manufactured out of mafia malice. Honestly, the more I'm thinking about it, the more you look good and balki looks bad. I don't like the justification for your reads though. When you do explain them, it feels like you're doing leaps of logic I can't understand, and then you'll do things like make vote posts with no other words besides the vote. That annoys me, and if you're town you should have reasoning behind what you're doing and should share it. I want more from you, that's why I wanted pressure on you today, that way you can share your thoughts in detail so we'd have a better idea of who we're dealing with when analyzing your actions, which not unlike me, can seem scummy without it.

[bozotheclown]

@Vashta: I did not say my voting record was bad, MLQ did, I just said hers was worse than mine. However, I admit mine could be better, and if I were scum it probably would be better. Still, my voting record will improve if I am right about you being scum.

[bozotheclown]

@MeanLaQueefa: I have not had as much time as I would have liked so far to dedicate to this game, but I expect to be able to contribute more going forward.

[bozotheclown]

On the ND vs. yavuzovic lynch, I can see the arguments for both sides, but I agreed with those voting ND because I was about 50/50 as to whose claim to believe. I thought both claims were believable until yavuzovic claimed he scanned brain N1. Demon had already claimed watching brain N1, so as scum he would have had no choice but to insist yavuzovic's claim was fake, and yavuzovic fake claiming cop should have known better than claiming to scan brain N1 after Demon said he had watched him. Also, Demon's claim came under threat of being shot, while yavuzovic was not under immediate pressure, and Demon's claim was already being questioned before yavuzovic claimed. For these reason I thought yavuzovic could really be the cop.

[MeanLaQueefa]

In fairness to my voting record, yav was the only person who I've voted for who has flipped town. Balki and Vash aren't cleared and are increasingly looking bad. Not voting for who actually ends up getting lynched (which I've done every time somehow), doesn't mean I didn't vote for scum.

And bozo, I'm glad to hear that you'll be participating more, if you're town and you keep talking towny sense my vote will likely come off you today.

[Maniac]

@Nurse - Tom was a great save. Well done.

@Tom - welcome to the clears. Whatever happens you me and DemonRHK need to be on the same candidate at EOD to ensure a town-led lynch.

@Thamrick - your logic about scum being on Yavuz is OK as far as it goes, but your missing another step. What if Yavuz WAS the COP. People voting for him would then come under immense pressure. Scum want COP dead but can't be seen pulling the trigger. Also there is no strong evidence against the four people you list. And DemonRHK is as good as clear IMHO.